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Mycroft_
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posted 01 October 2003 07:36 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here it is.
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Only 75 days, 22 hours and 16 minutes to go!
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posted 02 October 2003 06:49 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it's also here

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the end has come ... give him the sword of the babbler ... i'm not sending him away ... a day may come when the courage of babblers may fail, but it is not this day, this day, we fight ... there can be no victory without sacrifice ... audra on white horse charging with lit staff ... no babble without suffering ...

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can't wait!!! Gollum is soooo bad!
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He's just misunderstood.
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But that dirty look that he shot at Sam in the trailer--that's just plain sinister. I thought he was starting to be trustworthy, but now I don't trust him as far as I could throw him!!

And what's up with Frodo being his best buddy? Man, that ring must really be clouding his judgement!

(please don't post any spoilers! Some of us out here don't know what's coming yet!! )


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posted 06 October 2003 03:09 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What do you mean you don't know what is coming.

Haven't you read the trilogy?


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Evidently not. Of course, I only got around to finishing it last year after first picking it up when I was 12 or so.
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No, I didn't even finish the Hobbit.

I likeses shorter bookses.


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bzzzzzt! (sound of brain shorting out)

I don't know what to say.


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Does it make you feel any better to know that I did read all the Harry Potter books (except the fifth)?

Or how about if I assure you that I grew up around stories of Camelot and Guinevere and the Knights of the Round Table?

What about knowing that I was subjected to uncountable hours of Star Trek of all generations?

I'm not such an anomaly, am I?


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Harry Potter.... bzzzzt!

King Arthur & the Knights of the Round Table...... immediate calming of the brain.

Star Trek.....no change either way.

If you can quote a line from Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail, then I will once again be at equilibrium.


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Deleted - wrong movie

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No, you had it right.
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How about a brief mention of the Knights who so recently said "Ni!"? Does that help?

What! is your favorite colour??


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If time's not on your side, there's always the Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings". Gives you the gist of it all, without all that tedious reading.

quote:

Gimlet limped over to the two boggies and forced a smile

"Pox vobiscum. May you eat three balanced meals a day and have healthful, regular bowel movements."

"How comes it", said Arrowroot, "that we meet in this strange land ?"

"It is a tale long in the telling", said Pepsi, pulling out a sheaf of notes

"Then save it" said Goodgulf.



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i thought that the trailer was pretty good ... until the last 6 seconds, then it turns ultra-subliminal. and, at least, they finally explain aragorn's sword. every good action hero needs his own sword.
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My goodness! When I saw the title of this thread I though maybe Performance Anxiety was advertising a sequel to "Car Stories", this one set in a trailer!
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Mycroft, have they started filming the "Das Kapital" trilogy yet? Who gets to play the role of Surplus Value?
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I wonder if a clearly marked spoiler thread might be a good idea? Lots of warnings and everything. There's things I'd like to discuss with fellow cogniscenti, but I am loth to ruin a wonderful tale for others.

BTW, I liked "Bored of the Rings" on a certain juvenile level, but I really had to comparimentalize.


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quote:
a clearly marked spoiler thread

thy will be done


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yes!!!!!

New Zealand party for film finale

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Jackson said he was looking forward "to becoming a New Zealand film-maker again" after his next project, a re-make of King Kong.

He also said he would be "keen" to make a film of Tolkien's The Hobbit - but he had not been asked.

"I'm obviously busy for the next couple of years with King Kong," he said.

Lord of the Rings executive producer Mark Ordesky, chief operating officer of film studio New Line, told a press conference: "There could be a movie about The Hobbit."



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Seven years, 16 months of shooting, 1,800 pairs of prosthetic Hobbit feet, three movies and one gigantic party later, Wellington's love affair with The Lord Of The Rings reached its climax last night.

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McKellen brought the house down at a party in his honour thrown Friday at the Prime Minister's official residence by GAP, a gay and lesbian organization, when he said about the commemorative Gandalf coin that it had, "the queen on one side and Elizabeth II on the other."

At a press conference, McKellen, who had said earlier in the week that he'd brought all his Christmas cards with him so he could mail them using Gandalf stamps and who visited the Return Of The Ringers party, paid tribute to the fans: "I am absolutely overwhelmed by the sweetness of the fans. I have never known anything like it. I don't want this day to ever end."



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Fans were holding up posters reading "Bugger off Saruman," "Bring back Bilbo," "Gollum is a sex god," and "Sandpoint, Idaho loves The Lord Of The Rings."

Andy Sirkis said in an interview recently that there's even an Gollum sex site out there. I'm not curious about what's under Gollum's loin cloth but if anyone's interested...


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quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft:

Andy Sirkis said in an interview recently that there's even an Gollum sex site out there. I'm not curious about what's under Gollum's loin cloth but if anyone's interested...


I'm a bit intrigued, but I think I'll save my google search for "gollum sex" for when I get home.


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I'm not curious about what's under Gollum's loin cloth but if anyone's interested...

It's "the Precious".


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I have read the entire series several times and love it every time.

I often wonder, given the period when it was written, why the East was the land where evil reined, and the West was the land of the good. Was this a reference to the Soviets?


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Tolkien denied this and other allegorical interpretations of his books (WW2 being the most popular one). In fact, he even spoke passionatly against the whole idea of fantasy as allegory, which he considered crass.

But y'know, these things are inevitably subconscious. It can't be a coincidence that the hobbits came from a green pastoral paradise in the far north-west. If that's not fantasy Britain, I'll eat my hat.


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(originally posted before I saw J22's post...)

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I often wonder, given the period when it was written, why the East was the land where evil reined, and the West was the land of the good. Was this a reference to the Soviets?

Just as likely the Nazis, though Tolkien always fiercely resisted any topical or allegorical reading of his book. In one introduction, he said that if the book were that topical, Barad-Dur would not have been destroyed, but occupied, and Saruman, "finding in Mordor the missing links of his research into Ring-lore, would have built a Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-Earth."

I think that the way Tolkien describes West and East probably does have less to do with Nazis or Soviets than with a much older Western tradition, according to which the East is the home of fierce, ever-encroaching barbarians who must be resisted -- while the West, of course, is the home of civilized enlightenment. His descriptions of Rhun and Harad, though brief and scanty, make them sound like the homelands of Mongols or Arabs.

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But y'know, these things are inevitably subconscious. It can't be a coincidence that the hobbits came from a green pastoral paradise in the far north-west. If that's not fantasy Britain, I'll eat my hat.

Oh, plainly it is -- a pre-industrialized Britain, to boot, or one with just rudimentary industry (the "Old Mill.")

And Tolkien's denial that the "Scouring of the Shire" chapter refers to post-war Britain doesn't hold much water. It's true that the great events elsewhere are bound to come home to roost, somehow, in the Shire. So much is foreshadowed several times. But the form it takes is topical.

Tolkien completed his first draft in 1948. It was only in 1945 that the first Labour government was elected, with its nationalization, confiscatory taxation, and the like. The hobbits' scornful references to "all these gatherers and sharers... [who] do more gathering than sharing" are just recastings of contemporary complaint.

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quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
The hobbits' scornful references to "all these gatherers and sharers... [who] do more gathering than sharing" are just recastings of contemporary complaint.

Yes, to a point . . . although I think his real disdain was more for technocratic "modernizers" and the concrete changes they made--the pollution, the horrendously ugly row houses, the hacking down of trees, the worship of "more". Note the new mill, which was supposed to be better because it ground more--specifically, more than anyone had a need for, apparently for the benefit of nobody local, at the cost of massive noise and water pollution. Under foreign ownership, another fact which was called attention to pointedly.
Was Tolkien the first antiglobalization activist?


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Yes, there's no doubt about Tolkien's disdain for 'modernization.' Protesting that "The Scouring of the Shire" was not about post-war modernization, he said "The countryside I lived in was being shabbily destroyed by the time I was ten" -- around 1900.

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Under foreign ownership, another fact which was called attention to pointedly.
Was Tolkien the first antiglobalization activist?

Hee! Certainly some in the back-to-the-land movement latched onto him, or his views anyway, in the 60s.

No doubt he had some of that little-England nativism you find in the writings even of someone like Orwell.

I wonder what the two would have made of each other. But when Orwell died, Tolkien, while well-known in academic circles, was still obscure outside them. Could they ever have met, I wonder?

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Ringathon!

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TORONTO — Serious Lord of the Rings fans will have a chance to prove their devotion Tuesday when North American theatres plan a marathon screening of all three films in the series.

That includes the special extended editions of Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers, followed by the first screenings of the final instalment, Return of the King, which officially opens next Wednesday.

Participating will be Famous Players, Cineplex Odeon, AMC and the Empire Theatre chain. Andrew Sherbyn, manager of corporate affairs for Famous Players says they have sold almost all the tickets, at $49.95 each, for the 12-hour event. The "Ringathon" can be seen in theatres in Toronto, Hamilton, Kitchener, London, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Victoria, Halifax and St. John's, Nfld.

Sherbyn says the first film is to start at 1:30 p.m., with the final film starting shortly after 10 p.m. with the whole thing ending at 1:30 a.m. There'll be a 45-minute break between each film.



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I sooo want to do this, but I can't get the day off . I'd call in sick but everyone at work would know exactly where I was and what I was doing, I've already talked about it so much.
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Awww.


I wouldn't mind seeing each of the movies again, but all in a row seems quite butt-numbing. Also, the ber-fans in their costumes could impinge on the experience somewhat.


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HEY!

There is NOTHING wrong with dressing up for a favourite movie, or a movie on a favourite subject!

I won't be dressing up for this one though. I do enjoy it, it's eye-candy, but, Jackson changed too many things for me to deem it worthy of costume.

*Sniff*

Lima, do try to read all of it. If not, get the audiobook version from the library, it's really worth it. It's a masterwork of language, it's not just a story. And please, don't compare it to Harry Potter. Harry is cute and it's entertaining and full of monsters, and it could have saved an entire generation of kids from illiteracy, but, it's nothing like the LOTR.


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Possible spoilers ahead!

Jackson Talks Rings End

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Peter Jackson, director of the Lord of the Rings films, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming third installment, The Return of the King, is why he made the trilogy in the first place. "The trilogy's all about the third film, really. What's the point of doing any of the others? ... [Return of the King is] the one that defines the previous two and puts them in context."

King, based on J.R.R. Tolkien's book, wraps up the story of Middle-earth and the War of the Ring, not to mention Jackson's own seven-year quest to write and direct the movies. "It has a strong sense of closure,"


Chat with Gandalf

quote:

SIM: I am ready to start.

ChatMod: First Question:

ChatMod: to : Hi, Ian, If you could ask J.R.R. Tolkien anything about his character Gandalf, what would it be?

SIM: Is there a Missus Gandalf?

SIM: GA

ChatMod: to : Are you familiar with the similiarities between Gandalf the wizard and a character called "Vainamoinen" from a Finnish mythology called "Kalevala"? Has this aspect came clear to you as you have introduced yourself to the script and history of LotR?

SIM: No, I am not. But I am aware that Tolkien may have been familiar. But the actor's duty is to be faithful to the screenplay, not to the novel itself or even to the influences on Tolkein.



And the early reviews are over the moon.

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quote:
HEY!

There is NOTHING wrong with dressing up for a favourite movie, or a movie on a favourite subject!


I'm not judging it, Trinitty. I'm just saying it could be annoying trying to watch the movie over a bunch of Gandolf hats or ork heads.


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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:

I'm not judging it, Trinitty. I'm just saying it could be annoying trying to watch the movie over a bunch of Gandolf hats or ork heads.


Bring a broadsword with you

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quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
Certainly some in the back-to-the-land movement latched onto him, or his views anyway, in the 60s.

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Right-Wing Politicians Seek the Hobbit Vote

By Massimiliano Di Giorgio

ROME (Reuters) - The rest of the world may see box office smash "The Lord of the Rings" as a mythical tale of hobbits and goblins but some young members of Italy's far right hope to use the film to promote their political ideals.

"We want to use the event as an incredible volcano to help people understand our view of the world," said Basilio Catanoso, youth wing leader of the far-right National Alliance party.

Right-wing thinkers and publishers, who introduced the Italian public to the fantasy classic in the 1970s, see the 1,000-page tome by Britain's J.R.R. Tolkien as a celebration of their own values of physical strength, leadership and integrity.

The National Alliance youth wing is looking back to the 1970s when Italian rightists spun its own interpretation of Tolkien's mythical world to bolster their image, already imbued with Celtic legends, knights and a cult of personal strength.

"There is a deep significance to this work. 'The Lord of the Rings' is the battle between community and individuality," Catanoso said.

But the tale can be seen supporting either end of the political spectrum. "The destruction of the ring of power, the multiracial aspect -- hobbits, elves, men and dwarfs united against evil are all leftist ideals," said Francesco Alo', editor of Italian film Web site http://www.caltanet.it
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Tolkien always denied any political intent in the book.

The story follows the struggle of a young hobbit named Frodo Baggins, played by Elijah Wood in the film, to destroy a ring of power which holds the key to the future of civilization.
The cult book evokes a fantasy world peopled by goblins, hobbits and elves.

"Only in Italy is "The Lord of the Rings" seen as right wing, no other country in the world has a similar reading of Tolkien," said Valerio Evangelisti, an Italian fantasy writer.

In the 1970s, neo-fascist summer training centers nicknamed "Hobbit Camps" were set up by the National Alliance's predecessor, the neo-Fascist Italian Social Movement (MSI).

The National Alliance split from the MSI in the mid-1990s. Its current leader, Gianfranco Fini, who is also deputy prime minister, has tried to give the party a new image.

The National Alliance has five ministers in the center-right government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

But tradition still echoes in the party's ranks.

National Alliance's youth wing plans a campaign to boost membership, inviting students to "enter the fellowship," an allusion
to "The Fellowship of the Ring," the first book of the Tolkien trilogy.

The film opened on Friday in 700 cinemas in Italy. So far it has grossed more than $500 million worldwide.



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Not just fantasy

Against this background Fantafascismo and Occidente - plus others like Il volo dellaquila (Flight of the Eagle), Il ritorno del re (Return of the King) or Le maschere del potere (The Masks of Power) - confirm that sci-fi is more than fantasy about a distant future. It is closely bound up with present reality. In Italy it is not just a critical metaphor for the present. It is a subculture advancing hand in hand with the resurgence of an abhorrent ideology. In the years when the far right was beyond the pale of mainstream Italian culture, it used sci-fi, then neglected, to sneak in through the back door. Hence the overlap between the managing board of Italys Tolkien Society and the directors of the Julius Evola Foundation. Italy must be the only country where Tolkiens name has been monopolised by the far right. In the 1970s there were even training camps for young fascists with names like Camp Hobbit (5).


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quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft:
Here it is.

Um, I think your original link may have expired. Check it out now


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Try this link.
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posted 12 December 2003 05:47 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
speaking of using broadswords, the "warner village" chain of cinemas in britain has taken it upon itself to impose a 15-minute intermission in "return of the king".

cute interview with sir ian:

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Animatedly, McKellen explains that: "Burger King - and I'm happy to advertise this fact - have a glass goblet featuring four of the characters [from the film], which sells for $1.99, and which lights up from underneath, so that even if you're drinking plain water" - a thing McKellen's tone of voice suggest he doesn't advise - "it looks like you're drinking Campari and soda." The good knight admits that he owns the full set. He adds that guests at his London home are regularly treated to drinks from the goblets.

the italian fascist take on the film:

jackson didn't do this consciously, events over took him, but is the popularity of the three films partially from being post-sept 11th? does it match with the bush narrative of the war on terror -- civilization under threat? good vs evil?

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posted 13 December 2003 04:05 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm going to the 12-hour geekathon!

Yes, it will be a buttock endurance test... but hey, it'll be no worse than that non-stop flight to Tokyo I took once. Besides, we'll get to see ROTK at 10:00, two hours before everybody else!

Wow. The early reviews are raving. Check out the Tomatometer -- it's at 100% "Fresh"! (Admittedly, there's only 16 reviews so far, but a trend seems to be in the making.)


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posted 16 December 2003 12:31 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome to Middle Toronto

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While some may dismiss the many J.R.R. Tolkien fans as a bunch of cloak-wearing, elf-imitating nerds, those critics might be outnumbered this week in Toronto.

That's because thousands of faux wizards, dwarves and archers from all over the world are in town for The Gathering Of The Fellowship: Toronto 2003, a three-day convention that is set to coincide with the release of the final part of director Peter Jackson's trilogy, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, at midnight.

Many know the ins and outs of every little detail surrounding the fantasy worlds within the Lord of the Rings trilogy. About 1,600 people from across the world pre-registered for the event, and a total of some 3,000 visitors are expected. Each participant has a story and a reason for attending.



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posted 16 December 2003 12:37 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Each participant has a story and a reason for attending.

OUCH! (that was me, biting my tongue.)


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posted 16 December 2003 01:04 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
avast ye geek bashing knave Michelle!
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posted 16 December 2003 01:07 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Elvish has left the building.
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posted 16 December 2003 01:17 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
aurë entaluva!! The Day is Coming!!

(From the Silmarillion, not LoTR. It's in Quenya, no less. Hardcore Tolkien geeks will recognize Hurin's battle cry before he is captured and the whole sordid Turin Turambar business begins.)

Michelle: You need to read Soul Music by Terry Pratchett. You really do.


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posted 16 December 2003 01:22 PM      Profile for ValleyGirl        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everyone has to read something besides Tolkien books.
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posted 16 December 2003 01:24 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure! I read SF most of the time, preferably alien contact SF.
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posted 16 December 2003 01:31 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never read any of the LOTR books. Haven't seen any of the movies either.
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posted 16 December 2003 02:58 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read tons of Doctor Who books when I was a kid. Also got through about half the Narnia series.
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Indeed, I have a feeling that with the success of LOTR, some producer somewhere is thinking of taking C.S. Lewis off the shelf and running with it. Orcs and Elves are one thing but is cinema really ready for talking lions?
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posted 16 December 2003 03:18 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe they are indeed thinking of doing a cinematic version of Narnia. They are also doing a cinematic version of the anti-Narnia, Pullman's His Dark Materials books.
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I keep wondering why anyone would do another version of The Lion, The Witch and Wardrobe seeing as the BBC version is so very, very good.

But they are. And the same studio is creating the talking animals as did the oliphants and Shelob in LOTR.


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And it looks like the Narnia films may be shot in New Zealand!

Wow, the same country gets to be Middle Earth and Narnia.


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posted 17 December 2003 05:29 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just got back from an entire day's worth of heavy-geeking: all 3 LOTR movies in a row (1:30 PM to 1:20 AM!!). I'm utterly drained, spent, sore, every muscle aching (my butt's gonna be numb for weeks).

I'm also stunned, staggered, stupified. ROTK fully lived up to my expectations and then some. On tentative first viewing, I'd say it's the best of the three. Though seeing the whole trilogy in swift succession really emphasized how it's really one giant movie -- the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts.

It helped to see it with a self-selected audience of hardcore Tolkien freaks -- the enthusiasm in the room was palpable. (And yes, they did chant along with some lines, Rocky Horror-style. )

And the ending of ROTK... well, just let me say I haven't blubbered that uncontrollably at any movie since Schindler's List. Glad I thought to bring along some tissue.

Anyway, I'm off to stick some pins in my buttocks to try and get some feeling back. And then I'll collapse and sleep the sleep of the Truly Contented Tolkien Geek. 'Til tomorrow... Namarie.


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posted 17 December 2003 09:25 AM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What makes the final one so sad? ( never read that far into the book ) I guess I could wait to see it but when I saw the previewer public on the local news, a lot of guys said it was too sappy for them. I wanted to know what they meant.
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posted 17 December 2003 09:28 AM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Star seemed to like it a bit.
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posted 17 December 2003 09:59 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What makes it so sad? Hmm. How to say this without spoiling the ending. Well, do we now live in a magical world?
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posted 17 December 2003 10:09 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
why are you confused about the ending being sad? i mean, sauron wins, and they all die painful horrible deaths. would that make any sane person happy?
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posted 17 December 2003 10:11 AM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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What makes the final one so sad?

The end defines the term bittersweet. I always get misty-eyed in the last few pages of the book; film being an inherently more emotional medium than print, I just lost it completely.

I gather the guy behind me had never seen any of the movies before (that's one way to lose your Tolkien virginity!). I heard conspicuous snufflings coming from him at the end too.


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From Liam Lacey's review in the Globe and Mail:
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Sam saves Frodo from a giant spider, they get captured and rescue themselves, all the time avoiding the "eye of Sauron," a glowing device on two towers that functions as supernatural radar. Set on its two giant legs of the towers, the "eye of Sauron" looks unmistakably like a big, angry vagina in the sky. (No doubt there's a good graduate-school thesis to be written about homo-erotic bonding and the fear of the feminine in The Lord of the Rings).

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Yeah, I wonder why Peter Jackson didn't realize that a slit pupil would be taken that way. Sauron is hardly cast as "feminine" in the books in any way. Indeed, in the Silmarillion he is defeated by a woman (millenia before the events of LotR).
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posted 17 December 2003 10:51 AM      Profile for Shenanigans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lets just say beluga2 isn't the only geek on the block. I can't believe it, but I spent more than 14 hours at a movie theatre yesterday!

I liked Return of the King, however it was really busy, Jackson had to pack so much into the last movie that I think a lot of the attention to detail that he executed so well in the other movies suffered. I would really like to see the extended version of Return of the King, I think a lot had to be cut out and I would like to reserve full judgement on which one I felt was best until I see the extended.

I spent the last 45 minutes of ROTK crying too. That blasted Samwise Gamgee and his unwaivering friendship.lol


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No doubt there's a good graduate-school thesis to be written about homo-erotic bonding and the fear of the feminine in The Lord of the Rings

village voice review:

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The Ring trilogy may be fiercely chaste, but its hobbituary denouement is gayer than anything in Angels in America.

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quote:
film being an inherently more emotional medium than print
A point of probably annoying nuance here. First ask: Where is the emotion inherent? Because there are different sources. Inside the character? Between characters? Between characters and the larger environment? Film can't express inner conflict and associated emotions nearly as well as a novel inherently can. Or conflict between people, as in live theatre--although it's better at this than it is with the inner life. The emotions film is inherently good at are those active ones visible between individuals and the broad environment they live in, their social world. The camera's inherently expansive, external. It wants to get out of the room and onto the battlefield. It wants to move, to cut from here to there in an instant. Film has to employ secondary means to express inner and interpersonal conflict. Subtext, etc. It can't use enormous amounts of poetic dialogue, like a play, to delineate conflict between individuals. It can't use descriptive prose to jump inside the heads of characters. It's not inherently as good at expressing those emotional realms. But nothing can touch film when it comes to expressing the emotion inherent in action, which involves the individual and the broader world. LOTR's a good example of that. Okay, end pedantry. At least I don't fuss over spelling...

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I've been depressed for a few days. Maybe I should go see the film in order to break out of this funk?
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I read a review in the Vancouver Sun by some heretical moron who seemed to think that they flying wraiths were a blatant ripoff of the flying monkeys in Wizard of Oz.

Sigh, I feel so tired sometimes.

I'm going to see it this weekend and I can't wait.


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One of my clients is having an "offsite motivational seminar" today for all their IT staff. In an odd coincidence, it is at the showing of the return of the king. Full pay for all staff and the company picks up the admission, popcorn, and drinks.
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flying wraiths were a blatant ripoff of the flying monkeys

other reviewers have said that shelob is some sort of re-run of the harry potter spiders


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other reviewers have said that shelob is some sort of re-run of the harry potter spiders

Now you understand why I hate all of humanity.


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Astonishing. You'd think if you are getting paid good money to review a movie like this, you'd read the bloody books first.

Not that movie reviewers tend to be the most literate bunch, but it's not Derrida.


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Originally posted by arborman:
Astonishing. You'd think if you are getting paid good money to review a movie like this, you'd read the bloody books first.

Not that movie reviewers tend to be the most literate bunch, but it's not Derrida.


Well, it is a bloody long book! You can't exactly read it the night before going to the flick.


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A buddy of mine went to the midnight showing. I asked him if Frodo defeated Sauron by throwing him down a hole in his office. (A reference to the climax of "Return of the Jedi", the worst ending in cinematic history.)
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posted 19 December 2003 05:24 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Letter: get a grip.
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To become so attached to a work of fiction that it becomes a major focus of your life seems, at least to me, to be a bit unhealthy. Sure, dressing up as your favourite heroes and acting out epic battles of good and evil may be a fun thing to do. I used to be quite a fan of the Star Wars movies, and have fond memories of pretending I was Luke Skywalker, while having light-sabre fights with my friends. But the item of key importance is that I was about 8 or 9 years old at the time.

That dude's name sounds familliar.


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My sweetie and I just booked 5 advance tickets to watch it in 2 days. We've both read the trilogy umpteem bazillion times and seen LOTR I & II another umpteem bazillion times, in cinema and video.

Should be very good. We're curious (haven't seen it yet in our part of the world) how good our guesses as to content and cuts will be.

And one or both of us might get tattoos with snappy sayings, written in Elvish script. Haven't decided if it's to be Tengwar or Sindarin yet...


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