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minimal
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posted 13 December 2003 07:46 PM      Profile for minimal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61109-2003Dec12?language=printer

Come on all you Bono fans! Why does this guy have to talk like this? Where will it end? Is it c..k.....g okay for me to use this word beginning with "c"? No, because in this context, it is an adverb. How can you call a guy enlightened and progressive when he has to show off the language he picked up sitting in a bar next to a group of construction workers?


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posted 13 December 2003 07:54 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The FCC's decision on Bono's language was quickly spoofed by "South Park," the sometimes-vulgar series starring cartoon children on Comedy Central, a cable channel owned by media giant Viacom Inc., parent of CBS.

In the episode, a teacher is shown saying that students can use a common swear word "only in the figurative noun form or the adjective form." The students, like many lawmakers, are puzzled.


Hee hee.

Also, they are saying that 8-10 p.m. are prime "family viewing" hours. Bullshit. If you've got kids under 8 who are staying up until 10 p.m., then a) they're not getting enough sleep, and b) you should be monitoring what they're watching on television while they're sleep-deprived if you aren't going to set a bedtime for them.

If you have kids over 8 and you think they don't hear those words regularly in the schoolyard, then you're either stupid or you're homeschooling. Talk to your kids about the words if you just can't bear to turn off the television or change the channel.


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posted 13 December 2003 08:31 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's what the FCC said....

quote:
As a threshold matter, the material aired during the
``Golden Globe Awards'' program does not describe or depict
sexual and excretory activities and organs. The word
``fucking'' may be crude and offensive, but, in the context
presented here, did not describe sexual or excretory organs
or activities. Rather, the performer used the word
``fucking'' as an adjective or expletive to emphasize an
exclamation. Indeed, in similar circumstances, we have
found that offensive language used as an insult rather than
as a description of sexual or excretory activity or organs
is not within the scope of the Commission's prohibition of
indecent program content.

And, as always in these circumstances, we must turn to George Carlin to cut through the bullshit.

Oops, did I say that???

quote:
And of course the word Fuck. The word Fuck, I don't really...well, this is some more accidental humor, but I don't really want to get into that now. Because I think it takes too long. But I do mean that. I mean, I think the word fuck is an important word. It's the beginning of life, and, yet it's a word we use to hurt one other, quite often. And uh, people much wiser than I have said, I'd rather have my son watch a film with two people making love than two people trying to kill one other. And I of course agree. I wish I know who said it first, and I agree with that. But I would like to take it a step further. I would like to substitute the word fuck, for the word kill in all those movie cliches we grew up with. 'Okay Sheriff, we're gonna fuck ya now. But we're gonna fuck ya slow.' So maybe next year I'll have a whole fuckin' rap on that word.

quote:

It leads a double life, the word fuck. First of all, it
means, sometimes, most of the time, fuck. What does it mean? It means
to make love. Right? We're going to make love, yeh, we're going to
fuck, yeh, we're going to fuck, yeh, we're going to make love.
(laughter) we're really going to fuck, yeh, we're going to make love.
Right? And it also means the beginning of life, it's the act that
begins life, so there's the word hanging around with words like love,
and life, and yet on the other hand, it's also a word that we really
use to hurt each other with, man. It's a heavy. It's one that you have
toward the end of the argument. (laughter) Right? (laughter) You
finally can't make out. Oh, fuck you man. I said, fuck you. (laughter,
murmur) Stupid fuck. (laughter) Fuck you and everybody that looks like
you. (laughter) man. It would be nice to change the movies that we
already have and substitute the word fuck for the word kill, wherever
we could, and some of those movie cliches would change a little bit.
Madfuckers still on the loose. Stop me before I fuck again. Fuck the
ump, fuck the ump, fuck the ump, fuck the ump, fuck the ump. Easy on
the clutch Bill, you'll fuck that engine again

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posted 13 December 2003 11:04 PM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bravo!

(ps: hope the "moderator" doesn't catch this one!)


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minimal
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posted 13 December 2003 11:50 PM      Profile for minimal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a fuckin' sh...y co.ks..kin' subject and we best put an end to it. I just think that one resorts to these words when one does not have a good enough grasp of more refined vocabulary. Sure, fucking is better than killing blah blah blah. It's just that there is street and bar language and there is also a higher grade of conversation and usage. I can and have done both. For everything there is a time and a place but then I'm old-fashioned. I still think it's not right for females to use the word "fuck" while they're making conversation in the bar or in a restaurant or in the elevator. But it happens. I guess it's become fashionable. What the hell! if Bono says it publicly it must be alright. So next time I go to Safeway and can't find the toilet paper I'll simply ask the young female clerk "Where the hell's the fuckin' asswipe?"
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posted 14 December 2003 07:59 AM      Profile for Bee's Knees     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by minimal:
How can you call a guy enlightened and progressive when he has to show off the language he picked up sitting in a bar next to a group of construction workers?[/QB]

Okay, I know I may be tired, but I find this a little offensive. Maybe Bono is progressive because he does speak like a construction worker.

I find that generally people of a working class background, which includes myself, tends to swear more. This in no way means that my fellow working class people or I are less enlightened; we just choose different means to communicate what we are thinking.

I do have a university degree and I must be unenlightened because I at times still swear like my working class brothers and sisters. How are we as a society grow and be more equal when we choose not to communicate to people in their way of speaking?

I don't have to sound "smart" to be smart. Can we then say that a person is less working class because they do not swear?

If we need to critique Bono, let us question his cozying up to the Liberals, than his choice of words at a silly award show.


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posted 14 December 2003 08:12 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I meant to come back to this thread and say the same thing, Bees Knees. I'm glad you got here first.

Heaven forbid we should sound like construction workers.


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posted 14 December 2003 10:23 AM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can't believe I (and Michelle!) missed this one:

quote:
I still think it's not right for females to use the word "fuck" while they're making conversation in the bar or in a restaurant or in the elevator

Obviously such terrible things are a direct result of actually letting "females" into the bar in the first place. Heaven forbid, next they'll want to be treated as equals and are gonna start taking our jobs! Hold the line, brother - one minute they're cursing and next minute we're under the yoke of female oppression.


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posted 14 December 2003 10:47 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The FCC ruling is hilarious. It's the bureaucratic thinking and language that I would ridicule them for, though, not "lax" moral standards. Good for South Park.
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posted 14 December 2003 01:59 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, skdadl, broadcasting standards is one of the funniest things around.

This is one of my favourites - a Canadian original - although it helps if you know the (catchy but dire) song in question.

CIGL-FM re a song entitled "The Bad Touch"

quote:
While the Council agrees that the song makes several references to sexuality, the Council is of the view that such references consist mainly of innuendo. The song playfully alludes to the sexual fantasies of the songwriter without explicitly describing them. In one such reference, the songwriter muses "I got the notion that the motion of your ocean means 'Small Craft Advisory'".

I still giggle at the vision in my mind of a board of worthy appointees sitting around parsing the text of the song (which is reproduced in full as an appendix to the decision, although if you know it, you're already humming it). And, the "motion of your ocean" wasn't the worst - that whole Mr Coffee thing must have had them scratching their heads. And aren't they lucky that the version played was the cleaner edition, with "And then we'll do it [edited words] so we can both watch "X-Files" ". Even the most amateur of poets knows that "words" doesn't rhyme with "Files" - and I obviously missed that film where the hero whispered in his lover's ear "hey baby, let's do it edited words".

Anyway, the poor Commission then had to deal with the unedited version, when a station in Winnipeg played it...they still didn't find it unacceptable.
CKMM-FM re a song entitled "The Bad Touch"


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posted 14 December 2003 02:51 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
4t2, now you've got me giggling -- and I don't even know the original.

I am, however, sitting here puzzling over words that could rhyme with "files."

Help me, someone. I am a culturally deprived older person.


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posted 14 December 2003 03:13 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doggie-style?
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posted 14 December 2003 03:20 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read the lyrics and the CRTC controversy. So I just had to check KaZaA since 4t2 says it's catchy. I'm downloading it now. I'm a sucker for catchy.

Dude. I'm listening to it now. It sounds like some 80's synthesizer tune. Reminds me of that song, "Living on Video". Same style.

"Mr. Coffee with an automatic drip," huh? That's nice.

[ 14 December 2003: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 14 December 2003 03:44 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl is still in suspense.

(Michelle, Files is a plural. "doggie-style" is not. Does that matter?)


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posted 14 December 2003 03:50 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle was right - sorry for leaving you in the lurch, skdadl - the un-edited lyrics were in the second (Winnipeg) decision, but I didn't want to give away all the secrets in one post

Sorry about the catchiness Michelle - yes, it's indeed, um, synth-tastic. As I recall the song was a pretty big hit at the time. Not sure what the Discovery Channel made of it all. I firmly believe that pop music, especially songs existing only in the mind of a Moog, should always aim to have a certain level of catchiness and tackiness coupled with either farce, irony or innuendo (or all three).

I miss my MP3. There was a time where I was always downloading things based on hearing a reference on the radio (i.e. "hey, that hot hit's a cover version of X" so I go and listen to X) or reading something on the Web, etc. I ended up with a folder of "Misc" songs, not being able to remember why I bothered to get them in the first place.

But, alas, my current network doesn't allow such bad things to go on.


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posted 14 December 2003 04:14 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 4t2:
sorry for leaving you in the lurch, skdadl -



"The lurch," 4t2?

Is this yet another youthful sexual manoeuvre I have not heard of, and for which I am going to have to find rhymes?

church ... search ... perch ... birch ...


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posted 14 December 2003 04:38 PM      Profile for clearview     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by minimal:
How can you call a guy enlightened and progressive when he has to show off the language he picked up sitting in a bar next to a group of construction workers?[/QB]

Why must you poopooh the working class? Your story link begins with an account of the filthy mouths of the very wealthy - that were born into wealth rather than 'earning' it like Bono. I don't know if this was your intention, but you come off as an elitist.


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posted 14 December 2003 04:39 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oops..is that just a British phrase or something? There was no hidden meaning...anyway, Google, your friend and mine, turns up the following.

quote:
Left in the lurch:
Left in a difficult position without help.

Origin:
Originated with the French game of lourche or lurch, played in the 16th century. Players suffered a lurch if they were left in a hopeless position from which they couldn't win the game. The card game of cribbage, or crib, also has a 'lurch' position which players may be left in if they don't progress half way round the peg board before the winner finishes.

The Phrase Finder - Sheffield Hallam University


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posted 14 December 2003 04:44 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From my OED:

lurch (2), n.: leave in the lurch desert (a friend etc.) in difficulties. orig. = a severe defeat in a game, f. F lourche (also the game itself, like backgammon)

[ 14 December 2003: Message edited by: 4t2 ]


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posted 14 December 2003 04:44 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aw, no, 4t2 -- I was just funnin'.

But the derivation is fascinating. I didn't know that.


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posted 14 December 2003 04:47 PM      Profile for 4t2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And from the same book (it was an expensive purchase a couple of years ago - a v. nice one-volume hardback edition):

skedaddle v. & n. colloq: v.intr : run away, depart quickly, flee : n. a hurried departure or flight (19th c.: orig. unkn.)

Which, delightfully, is sandwiched between skean (a Gaelic dagger formerly used in Ireland and Scotland) and skeet (a shooting sport in which a clay target is thrown from a trap to simulate the flight of a bird)


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posted 14 December 2003 05:11 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Och, the skean dbhu (pronounce: skean doo -- you will know the famous Gaelic silent b, yes, 4t2?).

I'd love to talk about all the skean dbhus I have to pack up soon, 4t2, but guess what? I gotta run now. No time. I'm off. I'm off like a dirty shirt, as Mother used to say. Gotta run. No time to say Hello Goodbye -- I'm late I'm late I'm late!

yrs, skdadling


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posted 15 December 2003 01:25 PM      Profile for Shenanigans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Goodness, now you can't swear if you want to be progressive?

I personally think labelling people as not smart, not progressive, not enlightened or blessed with a grand vocabularly is counter progressive.

I really have a problem with the hierarchy of language, one being more refined, one being more street.

Having grown up in an inner city community and living and speaking with a "less refined" language, I can certainly attest to classism of people who spoke more "refined". Having being written off before a point could be made, having your existence ignored because you didn't conform.

I like to write a lot and like to think I have a good grasp on the English language, however I'm immediately turned off by people who feel the need to display their intelligence by using a 50 cent word every second word.

I think of some of the greatest social and civil rights leaders who did manage to use "big words" but also motivated millions of people by keeping the message simple and inspired.


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posted 15 December 2003 01:31 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I think of some of the greatest social and civil rights leaders who did manage to use "big words" but also motivated millions of people by keeping the message simple and inspired.

Riiiight. Like MLK's famous "I have a motherfucking dream" speech.

(There's a difference between being plainspoken and unassuming, and sounding like a stevedore with Tourette's syndrome.)


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posted 15 December 2003 05:21 PM      Profile for Shenanigans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Riiiight. Like MLK's famous "I have a motherfucking dream" speech.

(There's a difference between being plainspoken and unassuming, and sounding like a stevedore with Tourette's syndrome.)


Ummm, I don't think I said that, I made two seperate points and if you chose to mix them up there's not much I can do about it.

But now that you mention it, MLK is one of my examples of an inspired speaker, who didn't need to use tonnes of jargon.


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