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'lance
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posted 27 May 2003 04:52 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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BERKELEY, CA—Nineties punk Drew Tolbert, 29, expressed scorn Monday for the punks of today, denouncing them as "phony poseurs unworthy of the word 'punk.'"

"These kids today have no idea what real punk is," said Tolbert, who called himself "Steve Spew" from 1992 until May 1999, when he was forced to revert to his real name to take a job at Roberto's Custom Auto Upholstery....

"I saw some kid wearing a Sex Pistols T-shirt the other day—he couldn't have been more than 9 when the Pistols did their Filthy Lucre reunion tour," Tolbert said. "I was like, 'You can listen to the music, you can wear the T-shirt, but I was there.' I had fifth-row seats at that goddamn stadium, man, right up front, close enough to see Johnny Rotten's wrinkles. Did you see an original member of The Clash play during Big Audio Dynamite II's last tour? Did you see two of the four original Ramones play at the KROQ Weenie Roast in '95? You did not, but I did. I swear to God, they're like a joke, these people."


The classic rest.


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posted 27 May 2003 04:59 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did this lightweight get tossed from school for playing "God Save the Queen" (Pistols of course)during morning announcements in high school at the start of the *80's*? Did he hear The Clash play in a public auditorium where they were so loud he had ringing in his ears for a few days?

He's the poser, man.


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'lance
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posted 27 May 2003 05:03 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hell... did he see the Ramones play at their first gig at CBGB, when the audience consisted of four people and a dog?

Did he see the Dolls, man? Or the Flamin' Groovies? For that matter, was he at the last Stooges gig in 1974, with homicidal bikers hurling beer bottles at the band, and Iggy taunting them, "C'mon, you can do better than that!"

Punks these days...


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posted 27 May 2003 05:05 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I WAS that dog...

Goddamn posers.


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posted 27 May 2003 05:05 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I loved, loved that article.
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posted 27 May 2003 05:06 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
.... they don't deserve the name. Go hang with the BFG collective. Now there you'll find some punks.
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'lance
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posted 27 May 2003 05:08 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I WAS that dog...

I hope you at least howled the Stooges' "Now I Wanna Be Your Dog" between sets...


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posted 27 May 2003 05:57 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back in the 80's Toronto hosted the Anarchist Convention and there was an event held downtown (the same pub Maggie Trudeau was seen with the Stones). My wife and attended a couple of seminars and decided we might like the event (we used to go to DOA concerts in Vancouver all the time). We went home and picked out our rattiest clothes added some tears. We then put on gaudy amounts of makeup. We got off the streetcar and walked over to the line. We were so straightlaced in our appearance. Everyone else had done serious physical abuse to themselves to achieve the look. There was safety pins everywhere on arms, through cheeks.

After a few minutes in the line we decided that we didn't cut it and went home and ordered pizza. You guys don't know posers, I know posers.


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'lance
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posted 27 May 2003 06:01 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, I went to some of the events at that gathering -- in 1988, I think it was. Up to that point I don't think I'd seen so many tattooed people in one place unless you counted bikers at the Gasworks.

One of my friends was involved in organizing it. The police, she said, would periodically make themselves ridiculous by walking in and asking "who's in charge here?" Got a big laugh every time.


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posted 27 May 2003 06:24 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Did this lightweight get tossed from school for playing "God Save the Queen" (Pistols of course)during morning announcements in high school at the start of the *80's*?

Beatcha dude. I was part of a conspiracy that carried out the very same at my high school a few years earlier. We didn't get caught, however. helps to have a co-conspirator with plausible deniability access to the tape and tape recorder in the office.

Be that as it may, I do know that in my high school, we were in fact the first to openly proclaim groups like The Clash, The Ramones, and the Sex Pistols as cool. And we went to see our local bands like NFG and the Demics in the local bars.

I mean, it was the time when "Supertramp" albums were being handed out to all the kids in suburbia.

Something had to be done.


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'lance
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posted 27 May 2003 06:27 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Eeesh. Tommy, you'll aggravate my PTSD with such references...
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posted 27 May 2003 07:11 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This "punk/poseur" bizniz has been around as long as punk...and I should know because I was there you wankers!!!

*Ahem, uh, sorry 'bout that*

Well anyway, anyone remember the Tubes' "I Was a Punk Before You Were?" How about Mick Jagger and Alice Cooper claiming they were the "first punks." I don't know what it is about punk, but everyone seems to want to show that they were in on it before everybody else. I do it myself, I suppose, when I let people know that I bought the Sex Pistols' record when it first came out it '77.

Nevertheless, this sort of thing has been going on for 25 years now. Who cares?


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posted 27 May 2003 07:28 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you don't care than I know which category you fit in.
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posted 27 May 2003 07:47 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Well anyway, anyone remember the Tubes' "I Was a Punk Before You Were?" How about Mick Jagger and Alice Cooper claiming they were the "first punks."

When you look at "punk" as a revolution against the over produced navel gazing banal "rock" that seems to have been inspired by Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon", anyone in music who has an unpolished edge which runs counter to the current "pop" can claim to be a "punk". Even Bill Hailey and the Comets, or Johnny Cash for that matter.

I remember seeing the Ramones at Exhibition Stadium. They were there on a bill will Ted Nugent. The Nugent fans threw stuff at the Ramones.

I never understood why. I guess you'd have to be a big bone head to take Nugent so seriously that you didn't see the similarities in the visceral aspects of his and the Ramones music.

The problem with Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" wasn't that it was bad, or anti-rock. It remains one of the greatest albums ever made.

The problem with it was that it inspired a lot of bands that should not have to attempt the same.

The end result was a genre of uninspired, over produced, self indulgent musicians that took over the scene for a while.

The scene was due for a revolution.


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posted 27 May 2003 08:06 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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If you don't care than I know which category you fit in.

Senior citizen?


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posted 27 May 2003 08:27 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(hides under couch as 1980s references cascade in)
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posted 27 May 2003 08:37 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Main Entry: punk

Function: noun

Etymology: origin unknown

Date: 1596

1 archaic : PROSTITUTE

2 NONSENSE, FOOLISHNESS

3 a : a young inexperienced person : BEGINNER, NOVICE; especially : a young man

b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian

c : a youth used as a homosexual partner

4 a : PUNK ROCK

b : a punk rock musician

c : one who affects punk styles


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 27 May 2003 09:36 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tried googling the lyrics for Chron Gen's "Outlaw," but couldn't find them. In any case, the tune's about being yourself, and not needing "a uniform to see a band today."

Being yourself - that's punk.


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posted 28 May 2003 03:08 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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they don't deserve the name. Go hang with the BFG collective. Now there you'll find some punks.
I went to a couple of their parties down on Sorauren years ago, and those were post-punk days. One of their former members is still doing gigs with one Toronto band or another (I'm trying to remember the name of his new band). No, punk hit Toronto when I was in grade 10. The same year Talking Heads '77 came out.

Every once in a while I'll run into an old friend from the heady The Edge/Larry's Hideaway days and we'll reminisce about the "good ol days" when CFNY played bands like the Buzzcocks and Iggy Pop was still splattering his blood (and peanut butter) all over his adoring fans.

PS - I LOVE the Tubes (you don't believe me? just-step-outside-and-see-me-baby I was a punk before you were, I was a punk before youuuuuuu...etc.)


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posted 28 May 2003 03:10 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yeah, well, "Don't touch me there, you white punk on dope!"
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'lance
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posted 28 May 2003 03:13 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sigh. C'mon, al-Qa'bong -- whaddya want from life?
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posted 28 May 2003 03:16 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As Mr. Burroughs said:

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I always thought a punk was someone who took it in the ass.

FYI Legs McNeill's "Please Kill Me" is by far the best book about punk rock out there.


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posted 28 May 2003 03:19 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I always thought a punk was someone who took it in the ass.

Well, then there's Iggy Pop, who took that to a whole new level with:

quote:
Well, I'm just a modern guy
Of course I've had it in the ear before...

Curiously, that line didn't make it into the cruise-ship-commercial version of "Lust for Life."

As for Legs McNeil, though I've read only reviews and excerpts from that book I understand he didn't credit Lester Bangs for the term "punk." But then, I think they had some kind of feud or other.


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posted 28 May 2003 03:25 PM      Profile for Secret Agent Style        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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One of their former members is still doing gigs with one Toronto band or another (I'm trying to remember the name of his new band).

Steve is still the singer of the band, also called BFGs. Some of the others still hang around Kensington market and probably play in other bands, although I don't know who was actually part of the BFG collective.

Their own site is down but they have a section on their record label's site. I couldn't link directly to the page so you have to click on the Band List page and go from there.
http://www.godrecords.com/the_page.htm

[ 28 May 2003: Message edited by: Andy Social ]


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posted 28 May 2003 04:58 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Steve is still the singer of the band, also called BFGs. Some of the others still hang around Kensington market and probably play in other bands, although I don't know who was actually part of the BFG collective.

Anyone see that documentary on "The Passionate Eye" last year, Punk X? A filmmaker went back to follow up on the punks he'd first filmed back in 1982 or something. Steve of BFG fame was one.

He was still studiously living the "punk lifestyle," still pontificating on what exactly punk was, and somehow his situation came off as the most poignant of anyone's. He seemed lost in time, unable to grow up and move on.


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