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Wilf Day
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posted 22 February 2005 10:05 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have sent this to the NHL:

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I completely support Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson's request that the top women's hockey teams be allowed to compete for the Stanley Cup this year.

I'm not suggesting that the NHL give up control of the Cup. But for this year only, rather than see it go unawarded, why not take advantage of this perfect opportunity to let the women have their turn?


Lacking any address for the chairman of the NHL's board of governors, Harley Hotchkiss, I sent via the Calgary Flames Content Manager at [email protected] . Surely some clever Babbler can find his e-mail address? Let's deluge him.


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posted 22 February 2005 10:24 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Since it was the men's league (NHL) that buggered everything up this year, I fully support letting the best women's teams play for the Stanley this year. Is there a petition I can sign?
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posted 22 February 2005 10:27 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cool idea. And considering the women would be playing just as hard for, what?, about one tenth of what the men would be, on average?, it might help bring a bit of perspective back too.
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posted 22 February 2005 10:45 AM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Want the NHL to come to their senses? Award the Cup to a non-NHL team. It belongs to Canada, not the NHL, but it's their meal ticket.

"She shoots, she scores!" Great idea.


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posted 22 February 2005 11:39 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wouldn't the women, at least technically, qualify as scabs?

[ 22 February 2005: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


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Wilf Day
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posted 22 February 2005 11:57 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by voice of the damned:
Wouldn't the women, at least technically, qualify as scabs?

How so? They wouldn't be working for any of the teams that locked out their all-male players.


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posted 22 February 2005 12:11 PM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
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Originally posted by voice of the damned:
Wouldn't the women, at least technically, qualify as scabs?
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How so? They wouldn't be working for any of the teams that locked out their all-male players.


Good point. I guess the question would hinge on whether or not hockey fans consider the proposed women's Stanley Cup a substitute for the NHL Stanley Cup.


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posted 22 February 2005 12:34 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know if this will fly, but it's a cool idea.
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posted 22 February 2005 02:32 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Should the various media editors also be written to? Sounds like something sports writers might bite at since they can't, obviously, write about the hockey season.
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posted 22 February 2005 02:45 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just heard GG Clarkson on the news a little while ago pushing the idea; there's your spokesperson!
Here's the news report.

So does she read rabble or listen to As It Happens?; it had an interview last night with one of the trustees, who dismissed various options incluing awarding the cup to the women.

[ 22 February 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ]


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posted 22 February 2005 04:17 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Clarkson can succeed in persuading the powers-that-be to host a women's Stanley Cup this year, I'll finally have to acknowledge she's a great GG. I'm blown away by the fact she made the suggestion in the first place; if it happens, well, my opinion of her will shoot up 100%. Hmmm.... I've never eaten crow before; how's it taste?
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posted 22 February 2005 04:22 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She does say it's up to the public to decide. How democratic!
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posted 22 February 2005 04:25 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There should be an online petition pushing the idea, and it should be up fast - not a hell of a lot of time left to get it organised, practice games, etc...
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posted 22 February 2005 05:00 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unfortunately the Stanley Cup trustees turned over control of the cup to the NHL back in'47(?).

So this won't happen unless the NHL is willing for it to happen.


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posted 22 February 2005 06:25 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Globe and Mail has a poll about it, Vote!
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posted 22 February 2005 06:34 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is there a link to that G&M poll?
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posted 22 February 2005 06:43 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe then the CBC will be able to afford to hire back Chris Cuthbert.
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posted 22 February 2005 06:45 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by verbatim:
Is there a link to that G&M poll?

It took a lot of looking, but here it is:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/


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posted 22 February 2005 06:47 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What? They have a website?
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posted 22 February 2005 06:49 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by verbatim:
What? They have a website?

The poll's right on the front page, doofus.


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posted 22 February 2005 06:52 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To be honest, the less violent, better played women's teams will provide me with more than adequate hockey saturation.
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posted 22 February 2005 07:05 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Papal Bull, can't agree. NHLers have more finesse, speed, smarts than the women. So does the Western Hockey League. I root for our women, and I bet they would agree with me.
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posted 22 February 2005 07:08 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, women athletes are clumsier, dumber and slower than male athletes. Can't say I've ever noticed that before. Thanks for pointing it out.
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posted 22 February 2005 07:26 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seriously. Frig off, nister.
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posted 22 February 2005 07:27 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps female professional hockey players on average might possess less strength and therefore may possibly be slower than male professional hockey players. And finesse is a purely aesthetic judgement, so that can be argued.

But "smarter"? I think that's a pretty sexist judgement call no matter how you look at it.

[ 22 February 2005: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 22 February 2005 07:51 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CBC had an interview with one of the women's hockey league spokespersons. She confirmed that the Stanley Cup trustees have a legal contract with the NHL so it's unlikely Stanley will be awarded this year to a women's series.

She went on to say they don't want to play for the Stanley, anyway; they want their own World Cup of hockey. The interviewer suggested asking the GG to award a new cup. Good idea, but what the women's leagues want is more financial backing for their sport. That's more of a priority right now than any cup.

Still would be great to see Canadian and US women's teams duke it out (figuratively speaking of course) for a Cup of some kind. That would be enough to get me back to watching hockey.


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Wilf Day
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posted 22 February 2005 08:26 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Globe & Mail poll results: only 53% want to let the women play for the Stanley Cup. Disgraceful.
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posted 22 February 2005 08:43 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
The interviewer suggested asking the GG to award a new cup.

"The Clarkson Cup"... hmmm... That would appeal to Her Vice-Royal High Horse's well-known ego, too.

Nevertheless, I like the idea, aand would support such a move. And I'd LOVE to see "HER-cky Night in Canada", as well.


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GG will be [was?] on As It Happens tonight about freeing Stanley.
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posted 22 February 2005 09:53 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilfred Day:
Globe & Mail poll results: only 53% want to let the women play for the Stanley Cup. Disgraceful.

The dark site denizens have no doubt freeped the pool ... they hate the idea of this "feminist attack on the domain of men!"

You can imagine a thread that has as it's topic a female minority GG and women playing for a "mens" trophy would quicly turn into a hate fest!


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posted 22 February 2005 10:19 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good GG interview; and lots of calls in; As It Happens is really pushing the "Free Stanley" thing.
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Wow. I shoulda stayed around. If you think the women can compete with professionals who practice and train like pros, with all the support of the best minds in the game, you must think they have more of the royal jelly in them than the guys. Again, I root for the women, I enjoy their games, but get a grip...
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What I had a problem with is that you said male professional hockey players are "smarter" than female professional hockey players.

[ 22 February 2005: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 22 February 2005 11:04 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by nister:
Wow. I shoulda stayed around. If you think the women can compete with professionals who practice and train like pros, with all the support of the best minds in the game, you must think they have more of the royal jelly in them than the guys.

If the NHL guys are so great, then whywhywhy are their hockey games so friggin' boooooring??


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quote:
Originally posted by nister:
Again, I root for the women, I enjoy their games, but get a grip...

Maybe if they got the same level of funding as the all-male league, they might be as "professional." Let's hope they'd be more so, actually.

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Hockey smarts is a term often applied to individual players. Maybe I shouldn't use it to describe a group. I do feel that our juniors displayed smarts in spades, i.e. the sum total of little decisions on ice afforded them a winning advantage.

Michelle, that doesn't mean men are smarter.
Audra, you show an immaturity beyond your years.


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posted 23 February 2005 11:31 AM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As it appears that the Stanley Cup is either under Canadian federal or Ontario provincial jurisdiction, a motion by the either the Federal Parliament or the Ontario Provincial Parliament should be enough to free up the Stanley Cup.

I would suggest that sometime in May, the University, Allan Cup and Memorial Cup champs play a double round robin tournament for the Stanley Cup.

I don't really have a problem with the women playing either.

I would suggest that the GG invest another 21 guineas (in 1895 guineas) and create a trophy for the best women's team in the Dominion.


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If the season is scrapped, the Stanley Cup should then be awarded as a challenge cup to the best hockey team in Canada, which was Lord Stanley,s original intent. We have a plan for the challenge cup that would see an end of season tournament with the winner of the Canada University Hockey Championship, the Memorial Cup winner, the Allan Cup winner (senior men's hockey), and the best team from among the Canadian minorprofessional hockey league teams in leagues such as the AHL and ECHL playing off for the Stanley Cup.

Free Stanley


Perhaps the poll wasn't "freeped" at all. Maybe people feel that all leagues in North America should have a shot at the cup, not just the relatively new women's league.

I say add the women's champs to the above list as well as the European champs from their respective leagues.

How pissed would Don Cherry be if Sweden won the Stanley Cup?


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I like their list of potential trustees. Stompin' Tom is having a great year; on the Greatest Canadian short list, now the Stanley Cup Trustees short list.
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posted 23 February 2005 06:45 PM      Profile for larva   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by nister:
...NHLers have more finesse, speed, smarts than the women... I root for our women, and I bet they would agree with me.

I don't see anything wrong with this statement. It's obvious that the system that trains male hockey players is more developed and has more money than the system that trains female players. The rigors that NHLers go through to get to the level of hockey they play produces players that are better trained to play the game of hockey. That does not mean that the women that play are not good at what they do, and it does not mean they cannot potentially achieve to the same level. I think nister is right in saying that the women would probably agree as well.

In any event, I would hope to see more teams involved in a contest for the Stanley Cup... not just two. Plus I would be pretty sad to see the cup go to the US for another year... maybe there is a way to have just Canadian teams play. Either that or leave it where it is for people to enjoy. But... I don't believe the NHL would give up the cup for other teams to play for. The cup, sadly, does not belong to Canada but to the NHL which has for years represented the highest level of professional hockey.


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quote:
Originally posted by larva:

...I think nister is right in saying that the women would probably agree as well.



Well, they haven't so far. How about we ask a few more, and get back to you? I'm sure the women players themselves would be lining right up to argue that their games are just not as interesting as the male players' games are. Makes you wonder why the women would bother playing at all, really. I guess at least they'd get to pretend to be real hockey players while they were out there, just like the junior leagues do.

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Women play sport to make men's sport look better. Hell, it's the least we can do to say thanks for being allowed out of the kitchen once in a while.
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I think the talent pool is key. Women's hockey has come so far so fast because of sheer numbers. Canada's men have always had enough troops for any occasion; heck, foreign teams lived or died on the backs of their Canucks.

More women playing means more ice time, better training, better refs, better coaches, more tournaments, more "diamonds in the rough" like my heroine, Hayley, who thankfully didn't choose softball to major in.


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