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Michelle
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posted 29 April 2004 01:31 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, hockey is part of our culture.

I just noticed the headline on the way to work today on the cover of a newspaper - can't remember if it was the Glob or the Postal.

I looked briefly but it doesn't seem anyone's started a thread on this - I'll close it if someone has though.


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Briguy
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posted 29 April 2004 01:41 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll miss him. I find that his HNIC play breakdowns are really useful. His social commentary less so. But I usually find him entertaining, whether I agree or disagree with him.

It's not really a done deal yet, but I'll be surprised to see him with the mothership next year (or in two years, if there's no hockey next season). They've been grooming Hrudey for so many years now. If they could just coach Hrudey to look into the camera instead of at Ron when he's explaining stuff, he'll be ready to step up.


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posted 29 April 2004 01:46 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They should bring in someone like Shanahan, Roenick or Hull (once they retire). Verbose, funny guys all who know what they're talking about.
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N.Beltov
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posted 29 April 2004 01:47 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The initial CBC story leads me to believe that this story is more about negotiating Cherry's contract in public. Kinda like the previous events with the contract of Ron MacLean...which the CBC story helpfully provides a link to.

Hmmm...perhaps now is the time to start an on-line petition to ensure that Don Cherry's contract is not renewed. How about the following slogan to assist our efforts?

"Crush Cherry."
"Don is the pits."
"Stop pimp-like attire on the CBC!"


Cherry says his future with HNIC is in doubt.


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Michelle
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posted 29 April 2004 02:06 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love Don Cherry. I don't want to see him go.
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N.Beltov
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posted 29 April 2004 02:17 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've got to admit that I am sometimes er...ambivalent about the overdressed Cherry. I don't share the view that a commentator, much less a coach at the NHL level, has to have a great deal of experience at that level of play to be a good commentator. But the "character" that Cherry "plays" is sometimes pretty repulsive. I don't see why I should have to put up with that crap during a hockey game any more than that I should have to listen to National Anthems being played.

Politicizing sport almost always serves a r-wing agenda. I realize one could point out the events in Mexico in 1968 with the Afro-American athletes, etc.. But in the day-to-day stuff, one typically never hears the good stuff and instead is treated to the kind of politics that Cherry plays at. Yechh.

As a former goaltender I kinda like Hrudey's perspective. But in general, I don't see why the CBC, if they decide NOT to renew Cherry's contract, can't simply have a public competition like the one they are currently having in regard to the "Greatest Canadian" for Cherry's job.

Maybe it's time for a woman commentator on HNIC?


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Michelle
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posted 29 April 2004 02:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
I don't see why I should have to put up with that crap during a hockey game any more than that I should have to listen to National Anthems being played.

I don't see why you should have to put up with watching Don Cherry either. And you don't. I'm sure your television comes equipped with a perfectly good mute button or channel changing apparatus during the break between periods.


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 29 April 2004 03:19 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cherry knows very little about hockey, and even less about the world around him.

I went to the Globe website and voted NO.


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Michelle
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posted 29 April 2004 03:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Scott! I just went and cancelled out your vote.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 29 April 2004 03:28 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have access to more than one computer
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N.Beltov
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posted 29 April 2004 03:41 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cherry, in the Globe and Mail story, commented that, "Although I sometimes don't understand him [Maclean], and I don't like his left-wing thinking and he's a referee . . . I still have fun with him doing Coach's Corner, and I can't imagine being on television without him."

MacLean ain't no lefty. I remember hearing him "interviewing" a few guests in relation to collective bargaining and the CBA and it was as clear as day that MacLean was woodenly and dogmatically approaching the issue from the owners' point of view. Cherry's comments above sound like a Conservative critique of Liberals. The real left-wingers are...left out.


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posted 29 April 2004 03:51 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
I have access to more than one computer

So do I. Pbthththth!

As for McLean, I think he plays a hilarious straightman to Cherry's Archie Bunker.

[ 29 April 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 29 April 2004 03:53 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't have to worry. Cherry's shirt collars will eventually swallow his head and we won't have to listen to him any more.
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paxamillion
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posted 29 April 2004 03:55 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't his head still growing?
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Marc
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posted 29 April 2004 03:59 PM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cherry is a clown. I would be so happy to see him gone. Maybe we can replace him with someone who actually knows something about hockey.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 29 April 2004 04:08 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Evidence of the extent of Don Cherry's hockey knowledge...

Mississauga Ice Dogs stats

1998/99 16 points
1999/00 21 points
2000/01 15 points
2001/02 32 points (with Cherry coaching, after firing four previous coaches, the Ice Dogs finally crack 0.200 winning percentage!)

=> Cherry sells team <=

2002/03 60 points
2003/04 83 points (OHL finalists)


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N.Beltov
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posted 29 April 2004 04:13 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

As for McLean, I think he plays a hilarious straightman to Cherry's Archie Bunker.


Agreed. So, how about keeping MacLean as the straight man and having a left-wing Don Cherry?
No? Maybe the left is too serious to indulge in self-mockery. I dunno. On the other hand, how about having a "He-said" and "She-said" thing on HNIC?


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posted 29 April 2004 04:22 PM      Profile for Nam     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Maybe it's time for a woman commentator on HNIC?

The Flames radio station sometimes uses Cassie Campbell from Canada's national team as a guest commentator. She does a wonderful job, and in fact, has more insights around leadership and the role of players within the dressing room and how to approach a game than any of their other commentators. It's funny with the call-in after the games she does because many callers have this kinda awestruck voice saying "Wow, is she ever knowledgable..." while leaving unsaid "...for a girl".


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natas
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posted 29 April 2004 09:07 PM      Profile for natas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Maybe it's time for a woman commentator on HNIC

You utopian you. Any woman assigned to follow up Cherry is going to be blasted with the most knee-jerk anti-pc blitzkrieg in history. Aren't babblers fans of realpolitik?

I didn't vote. He makes me want to hide under a chair but I am not in a position to judge his hockey expertise, which is in fact an issue. I think I can throw him a couple trust inches further than I can CBC management.

Agreed though: negotiation ploy 150%. It's not even a real news story.

And who's that guy with the Bruce Jenner mullet they have sitting in with McLean? He sure looks happy to be there! Hey maybe that guy represents the required buffer zone between the dreary present and the aforementioned utopian future female commentator...


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N.Beltov
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posted 29 April 2004 09:16 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by natas:

1. You utopian you. Any woman assigned to follow up Cherry is going to be blasted with the most knee-jerk anti-pc blitzkrieg in history. Aren't babblers fans of realpolitik?

2. I didn't vote. He makes me want to hide under a chair but I am not in a position to judge his hockey expertise, which is in fact an issue.

3. And who's that guy with the Bruce Jenner mullet they have sitting in with McLean?


1. Utopian? Maybe. Perhaps it is all those Kokanee beer commercials during the games with their "dare to dream" inanity. But your argument sounds remarkably similar to the arguments against banning smoking in public places. Besides, Cherry has stated that he would make more money elsewhere. Why not pay Don Cherry to move to the USA...provided he stays there and doesn't come back? Here's 5 bucks for a start...

2. Your desire to hide under a chair is your conscience crying out to smash the TV. Trust your feelings. Use the force, Luke.

3. I think "that guy" is Kelly Hrudey.


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posted 29 April 2004 11:02 PM      Profile for C. Haught     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know what's the most bizarre part of the whole story. In this following paragraph, the CBC declares editoral independence from...itself.

quote:
...However, sources inside CBC have told Sports Online that Cherry would choose retirement in favour of shifting to another broadcaster.

GOD HATES SIDESCROLL... er, full story

Edit: Forgot link

[ 29 April 2004: Message edited by: C. Haught ]


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C. Haught
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posted 29 April 2004 11:26 PM      Profile for C. Haught     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
2nd interesting thing abut this: I found this out of ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption".
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posted 29 April 2004 11:39 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Well, hockey is part of our culture.

No need for the apologetic tone. Hockey is an integral part of our culture.

Who could replace Cherry? I agree that Brett Hull comes up with funny quips once in a while, but he's still a bit low-key. He made an appearance on the Hot Stove (now there's a group that could use some new faces!) with Ron Maclean and did a credible job.

Maybe HNIC could have a panel of three team partisans who yell at each other while providing analysis. They'd have to be former players or coaches, though, and not journalists. Those shiny "Sports Net" types are horrible.


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posted 29 April 2004 11:43 PM      Profile for natas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
But your argument sounds remarkably similar to the arguments against banning smoking in public places.

That sounds like an insult!

I would think the poor woman would be more like the shlub who has to go around to all the bars in Northern Ontario and demand SOCAN royalties! Ha! In a just world they'd havethese guys out doing it...

Anyway, I'm sure this theoretical female sportscaster is a very capable professional. But so, for the sake of argument, was Kim Campbell.


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