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Sven
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posted 17 September 2007 03:54 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What should be done with the record-breaking home run baseball hit by Barry Bonds? They guy who bought the ball (fashion designer Marc Ecko) is putting the fate of the ball to a vote.

I voted.


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 17 September 2007 06:38 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Melt it down and inject it into Barry's arm?
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West Coast Greeny
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posted 17 September 2007 06:54 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Asterisk!

That is all.


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Sven
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posted 17 September 2007 07:01 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
Asterisk!

That is all.


That's what I voted for. I'm eager to see the result of the vote.

I wonder if Bonds is hiring a bunch of people to vote for the first option!! I'm sure he is burning with anger over this.


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posted 17 September 2007 08:00 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As he should be. If he's dirty the whole sport's dirty; as if he should bear the scorn alone.
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Sven
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posted 17 September 2007 08:01 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
As he should be. If he's dirty the whole sport's dirty; as if he should bear the scorn alone.

Well, he wouldn't be if it weren't for the fact that he now (dubiously) holds the HR record.


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posted 17 September 2007 08:06 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do we not think he faced performance-enhanced pitchers? How many askteriks can the MLB afford before it all becomes a farce?
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posted 18 September 2007 03:28 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bonds doesn't seem like the type to get angry.

Except of course, at random, unpredictable times. Apparantly for no reason, in the minds of others. HULK SMASH!!!


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posted 18 September 2007 07:16 AM      Profile for Sandy47     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

That's what I voted for. I'm eager to see the result of the vote.

I wonder if Bonds is hiring a bunch of people to vote for the first option!! I'm sure he is burning with anger over this.


Bonds didn't need to pay me to vote for the first choice. As was also alluded to above, I'm sure many of the big flies he hit while juiced were hit off pitchers who were similarly 'enhanced'.

He's a dipshit, but that's no reason to make him scapegoat number 1. The pro athlete woods are full of Barry Bonds types - the only difference is most of them are still flying below the radar.


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Sven
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posted 18 September 2007 07:29 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sandy47:
Bonds didn't need to pay me to vote for the first choice. As was also alluded to above, I'm sure many of the big flies he hit while juiced were hit off pitchers who were similarly 'enhanced'.

He's a dipshit, but that's no reason to make him scapegoat number 1. The pro athlete woods are full of Barry Bonds types - the only difference is most of them are still flying below the radar.


I guess my thinking is that if you get caught (or there is very compelling evidence of steroid use), then those examples must, for the integrity of the game, be held up as an example of shame. Letting this ball into the HOF untarnished is a tacit symbol of, if not approval, apathy towards the use of performance-enhancing drugs. They are not stripping him of his record but branding an asterisk on the ball would be a permanent reminder that the record was very likely achieved, in no small measure, with the use of drugs.


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posted 18 September 2007 07:56 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How come Roger Clemens doesn't get the scrutiny the Bonds does. Isn't he another player who seemed to get better with age?

I heard once that the new testing policy was finding more pitchers than hitters.


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posted 18 September 2007 08:34 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Considering that teenagers are opting for Tommy John elbow surgery these days, I do smell a bit of a double-standard.

Elbow surgery surges among teen pitchers

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"We're in an epidemic," says orthopedic surgeon James Andrews, who pioneered the surgery. Each year now 40 to 50 of his patients are teenagers.

Why?

"They're throwing harder and harder at younger ages," says Andrews.

Who's forcing that change?

"Well, it's the competitive nature and the importance of sports to everybody in the United States. Parents are pushing them," he says.

Pushing them to throw harder and pressuring them to master even more complicated pitches like sliders, curveballs and other breaking balls advanced pitches that put unnatural strains on young, undeveloped arms.


The article above doesn't ask the question, but I wonder how many otherwise healthy teens are opting for the surgery even before they blow the tendon? It does allow for harder pitches (and makes sliders and curveballs more effective, apparantly).


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posted 18 September 2007 08:59 AM      Profile for AfroHealer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How come all the White baseball athletes, who could/would not compete against the Black athletes in the Negro league don't have asterisk's besides their names?

If we are willing to put asterisk's beside those names, then go ahead asterisk all the record holders before bonds, for benefiting from being ignorant, bigoted & racist.

But if you want to have special treatment for Bonds, then we need to give our collectives heads a shake, because the double-standard stares some of us in the face.


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Sven
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posted 18 September 2007 09:18 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AfroHealer:
How come all the White baseball athletes, who could/would not compete against the Black athletes in the Negro league don't have asterisk's besides their names?

If we are willing to put asterisk's beside those names, then go ahead asterisk all the record holders before bonds, for benefiting from being ignorant, bigoted & racist.

But if you want to have special treatment for Bonds, then we need to give our collectives heads a shake, because the double-standard stares some of us in the face.


I think an asterisk belongs next to Mark McGwires name as well. I specifically call out both McGwire and Bonds because of the particular records they broke (single season HR record and lifetime HR record, respectively).


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posted 18 September 2007 10:05 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember seeing asteriks beside Rocket Richards numbers indicating that they were partially accomplished during the war when the talent pool was depleted.
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posted 18 September 2007 11:36 AM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AfroHealer:
How come all the White baseball athletes, who could/would not compete against the Black athletes in the Negro league don't have asterisk's besides their names?

If we are willing to put asterisk's beside those names, then go ahead asterisk all the record holders before bonds, for benefiting from being ignorant, bigoted & racist.

But if you want to have special treatment for Bonds, then we need to give our collectives heads a shake, because the double-standard stares some of us in the face.


Well, it was Hank Aaron's record he broke...


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Sven
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posted 18 September 2007 01:32 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
Well, it was Hank Aaron's record he broke...

Hank Aaron is a sports hero. Barry Bonds, the new record holder, is not. That's the difference between those two men.


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posted 18 September 2007 08:49 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barry Bonds is being made a scapegoat for the whole sport, just like Ben Johnson was for sprinting.
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posted 19 September 2007 05:53 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 19 September 2007 11:50 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why isn't Barry Bonds a "hero"? Because he doesn't have the press credibility of Lance Armstrong when he denies wholesale proof of cheating in sport? Maybe he should smile sweeter to the camera...

Baseball already gives tacit approval to performance-enhancing drugs. It has for deades. To suddenly turn around and say that Barry Bonds shouldn't have the record because he's not a "hero" is not only ludicrous, it's an unfair double standard.


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posted 20 September 2007 11:23 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Floyd Landis is now yet another disgraced sports "hero".

After his doping scandel, I quit watching the Tour. It's become the biggest joke in all of sports.


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posted 20 September 2007 11:33 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Read the reports here, if anyone is interested.
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posted 20 September 2007 11:41 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So far, 3.8 million votes have been cast regarding the disposition of the Barry Bonds HR baseball...
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Sven
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posted 26 September 2007 05:23 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
After over 10 million votes were cast, the ball will be...

branded with an *

[ 26 September 2007: Message edited by: Sven ]


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West Coast Greeny
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posted 26 September 2007 10:30 AM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
After over 10 million votes were cast, the ball will be...

branded with an *

[ 26 September 2007: Message edited by: Sven ]


Ouch.


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posted 26 September 2007 11:09 AM      Profile for DMcLeod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who cares?

Athletes who choose to enhance through nutritinoal supplements should not be shunned.

The Dick Pounds ( why do I find that name amusing?) notwhithswimming, exactly where is the baseline?

Oh well, I guess they just breaking the records. In theory, is there a limit to how fast they can go?


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