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posted 27 December 2007 12:18 PM      Profile for spillunk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"I couldn't take it any more. What I did was instinctive. They were in my head. My head was so full of what they were saying. I couldn't concentrate on the game, and I couldn't go on like that, and I had to pick up the ball."

-Marc Zoro, Messina goaltender

I'd like to discuss racism in sports after a personal experience with lacrosse. Can a bloc of anti-racist fans effectively challenge other fans during play? Has this ever been tried? Also, if anyone has resources about this, I would appreciate it.

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posted 27 December 2007 01:49 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi spillunk. A friend of mine, Gamal Abdel-Shehid, wrote a book called: Who Da Man?: Black Masculinities and Sporting Culture. I haven't read it, but Gamal is a prof at York in the School of Kinesiology so he knows this subject very well.

A short description from the Toronto Women's Bookstore's webstore (go to "Theory", then "Critical Race Theory", and scroll to the bottom of the page):

Who Da Man? attempts to account for the ways that Black Diasporic identifications intersect with the dominant misogyny and homophobia in contemporary men's sporting cultures. Offering a feminist and queer reading of Black masculinity, Abdel-Shehid suggests that thinking about Diaspora in the making of contemporary Black sporting cultures provides a more comprehensive framework than one that looks at sport solely within the framework of nations and nationalism.

Edited to fix the friggin link....

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posted 28 December 2007 12:09 PM      Profile for spillunk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, bcg.
I look forward to reading it.

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posted 29 December 2007 04:59 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It truly is gobsmacking (shall we talk in the football idiom?) the level to which racism exists in European football. Surprisingly (considering the deeply masculinist and misogynistic culture of British football) England et al. seem to have mostly squashed the overt racism that exists elsewhere in Europe (of course, as in Canadian hockey, African and 'foreign' players still earn less respect from the fans--and Britain's difficult relationship with immigrants is being transferred onto their national game: England's failure to make the Euro cup i sbeing blamed on too many "foreign" players in the premier league).

But the incidents described in the YouTube clip are incredibly, unbelievably common. And the allergy on the parts of administrative bodies to punish racist actions on coaches, players and fans is equally incredulous. I've been to quite a few European football matches, and while I have never knowingly heard racist chants or epithets live, I'm not sure I would be able to stand up against them, given the rabidly hostile and group-think nature of football crowds.

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posted 29 December 2007 05:37 PM      Profile for Indiana Jones        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very interesting topic.

I recently returned from Israel and the Palestinian territories where I was doing some research for my doctoral dissertation in anthropology and had the chance to check out some soccer games both in Israel and the territories and it was quite interesting the way tha the teams ahve really become vehicles the advancement of ideology and that the sport itself is really secondary.

There's a team in Jerusalem called Betar Yerushalyim whose base of support is really strong among very right wing religious zionists. I was at a game where fans unvelied a Kahance/Chai banner. This is an organization that has been banned by the Israeli government after some of its members engaged in attacks against Arab civilians. At another game (I wasn't in attendance) that occurred on the anniversary of the assassiantion of Yitzhak Rabin, the announcer called for a moment of silence which was met by most of the stadium loudly booing before breaking into chance of "Amir! Amir!". Yigal Amir was convicted of Rabin's assassination.

In the Palestinian Territories, because there's not as much infrastructure or wealth to support major sports, it's on a smaller scale but even more extreme. I went to a youth soccer match in Nablus where isntead of the national anthem before teh game, there was about an hour of fiery political speeches (though i don't speak Arabic). In the youth leagues, lots of teams have names such as The Martyrs or The Mujahadeen.

I have a brother who works for the UN and is based in Denmark and a big soccer fan and went to a game tehre and told me that there's a particular team comprised mostly of Muslim immigrants to Denmark and is supported by that country's large Muslim population. There's also a team that these fans see as "Jewish" because one of their players is an Israeli immigrant. He said that several times during the game, the fans broke into chants of "Hamas! Hamas! Jews to the gas!."

Makes the Toronto-Montreal rivalry seem pretty tame.

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posted 09 July 2008 09:12 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ray Emery signs with Russian Club
Goaltender Ray Emery, waived by the Ottawa Senators just one year after starting in the Stanley Cup final, will be playing hockey next season in Russia.

Emery, 25, signed a $2-million US deal with Atlant Mytishchi of the new Continental Hockey League.

"The reality is that since Ray's buyout there hasn't been a lot of interest. It doesn't seem like someone [in the NHL] wants to give him a second chance right now," Emery's agent J.P. Barry told the Canadian Press on Wednesday. "It's a terrific offer from Russia and we've been speaking to them for several weeks since the buyout.

"I've been talking to Ray a lot over the last couple of months and I know he's taken a lot of steps to make changes. This is his best opportunity to play next year."

Emery made a splash during the 2007 playoffs, when he posted a 2.26 goals-against average and three shutouts to help lead Ottawa to the final.

The Hamilton native then signed a three-year deal worth more than $9 million in the summer but he followed that up with a season that was marred by disciplinary issues and injury.

Emery is one of just nine active goalies with substantial Stanley Cup final experience, but he was passed over in the free agency period while the likes of Patrick Lalime, Andrew Raycroft and Ty Conklin quickly found new homes.

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posted 15 July 2008 06:43 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On OTR last night, Emery took responsibility for the position he found himself in. That being said racism most likely has played a role in his Ottawa experience.

Ted Nolan's experience as a coach has been hampered by racism as well. He was out of the NHL for a decade before his latest gig with the NY Islanders came to an abrupt end.

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posted 16 July 2008 04:37 PM      Profile for RevolutionPlease     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, if this is lame let me know.

Mike Toth(he's a wacky sports reporter that just likes to generate controversy and has made some insensitive racial remarks in the past) has weighed in on the issue and is taking some heat.


Let me get this straight: Here's a guy who backstopped the Ottawa Senators to the Stanley Cup final two years ago...


So, besides unsubstantiated rumours, what grave sins has Emery committed?

He showed up late for some practices, was upset about not playing enough and had a few minor traffic mishaps...


In my opinion, there's a hint of racism in the air. Canada is becoming more multi-cultural by the day, especially in major cities. But for the most part, the hockey culture is still predominantly white and many NHL power brokers grew up in a Canada that was completely different. Unlike their compatriots in the NBA, NFL and Major League Baseball, NHL general managers don't have any experience dealing with the Allen Iverson's of the sports world. Many black people have their own distinct culture and when a guy like Emery walks into a dressing room with his flashy clothes and hip-hop spirit, some hockey people tend to raise their eyebrows.

Don't get me wrong; the NHL isn't guilty of overt racism. But I believe there is something bubbling below the surface that needs to be discussed in an open forum such as this blog. For one thing, it should be pointed out that Emery definitely could have handled certain situations better and has, in fact, admitted making some mistakes. But there are lots of NHL'ers guilty of errors in judgement that had much more dire outcomes. Mark Bell, Todd Bertuzzi and Dany Heatley are just some of the players who have found themselves in various forms of hot water. However, they were all afforded a second chance in the blink of an eye and the last time I checked, none of them were receiving their mail in Moscow.

I agree that there is something rotten here.

Regarding Nolan I'm even more incensed. First, I should ask if I listen to the FAN590 and they're occasionally, how do you call it, what I see as "safe" racism is that totally bad.

Anyway, if you're interested you know about it. Doug Maclean (former GM) was on with Bob McCown(really, the worst one for it) and brought up race WRT Nolan's latest dismissal and he said that while Nolan was unemployed for that decade, he called and left a message with Nolan's son. When Nolan said he hadn't got a call Maclean made derisive comments about Nolan needing to get his messages. This just happened 2-3 days ago and I was pretty perturbed when I heard it. Nolan does seem to make power plays on his GM's but Maclean seemed to make it worse in my view.

What is this called when everyone can deny racist plausability but it's the elephant in the room?

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