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Trinitty
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posted 16 May 2002 01:41 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone see it last night? I'd like some Babbler reviews.
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posted 16 May 2002 01:47 PM      Profile for shelby9     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who in their right minds stayed up until midnight last night to see a movie they can see today at a reasonable hour?

Just kidding. I'll wait for the theatres to clear out a bit - then I MIGHT go. We'll see how the reviews look. So far, I'm told that LOTR is FAR better.


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posted 16 May 2002 09:30 PM      Profile for rob.leblanc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A couple of my friends actually waited until midnight to watch it. They said it was AMAZING and very much worth seeing. Mind you, these are the same bunch of people that like anything with explosions in it. I've been told that it makes Phantom Menace look like a joke so now I kind of want to see it. I might end up watching it some time next week when the crowds clear up a little.
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Charles
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posted 16 May 2002 10:36 PM      Profile for Charles   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I just got back from seeing it and have to say I REALLY enjoyed it. It probably helped that I went in with such low expectations but I really had fun. Miles better than Menace. Still lots of holes, many weak points, bad dialogue, several clunker lines of naturally no plot to speak of, but many wonderful moments. Everything I hated about the last one was absent. No horrendous distracting acting from Jake Lloyd, practically no Jar Jar at all, really well done battle scenes - I felt like such a geek and really got into feeling like one. I am surprised to say, really entertaining film. Felt like a kid again...
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Trinitty
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posted 17 May 2002 12:15 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds encouraging.

I mean, it is Star Wars, it's not going to be profoundly deep... or make that even some-what deep, but as long as it wasn't anything like PM, I think I may go.


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posted 18 May 2002 06:32 AM      Profile for skadie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've been told that it makes Phantom Menace look like a joke so now I kind of want to see it.

If the Phantom Menace looks like a joke why in
gods name would you want to see sequel? I thought the Phantom Menace was really an insult to movie fans...

Big doesn't mean good.
As a matter of fact, I'd say big really sucks.


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posted 18 May 2002 11:24 AM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Big doesn't mean good.
As a matter of fact, I'd say big really sucks.

Well you're right that big doesn't mean good.

What you want to do is see this at a theater that has digital equipment. Big and digital means good.

Now personally I dislike theaters. I can't do what I want and I don't like to be disturbed while watching a movie. I put my money into home theater.

BUT!

There are a few films that come along that are just plain better on the big screen. This is one of them. It is made in digital format and requires this format to see what Lucas put into the film.

Famous Players has digital theaters and you would do well to find one with a big screen and digital format.


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posted 20 May 2002 08:59 PM      Profile for rob.leblanc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skadie, what I meant when I said that it made phantom menace look like a joke and I kind of wanted to see it, maybe I should have searched for a better way to word that. What I meant was I was told that Attack of the Clones was MUCH better then PM and that is why I wanted to see it.
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posted 22 May 2002 07:02 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skadie wrote:

"Big doesn't mean good. As a matter of fact, I'd say big really sucks. "

Actually, prejudice really sucks.

Big can be FANTASTIC. There's no reason why it can't.

But, lately, big has been bad.

Phantom Menace was as exciting as a Choirmaster's fart. I don't know where I got that similie - the devil made me do it...


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posted 22 May 2002 07:24 PM      Profile for Jobes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AOC is an amazing movie, a bit much love for a Star Wars, but still excellent. One of the best yet. Obviously much better than PM, and the clone war battle is amazing...go see this movie!
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Trinitty
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posted 23 May 2002 10:11 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay
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posted 23 May 2002 11:12 AM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, here's a review from a guy who saw Star Wars 3 times on the day it opened. Eventually I saw it 31 times in the theatre.

It's okay.

Not a lot of emotional impact, and the romance is really badly handled... no foreplay whatsoever. Also, for some inexplicable reason, Lucas still seem to think that he doesn't need a villain in his adventure movies. Sorry, Darth Maul wasn't a villain, and neither is Boba Fett's dad. I think that Christopher Lee is supposed to be a Ming-esque villain in this one, but he just gets lost in the shuffle of sub-plots. Imagine Star Wars without Darth Vader. Well, these movies have no Darth Vader. Heroes without villains to fight are pretty dull, no matter how many effects houses you own.

Landmark in visual effects, with some of the breathtaking grandeur of Gladiator, but since we know that all of the main characters (with the exception of Amidala and Mace, the ONLY interesting characters) are going to survive the trilogy, there's not much suspense in the battle scenes. They are simply exercises in kinetics.

Better than the dreadful first episode, but still hopelessly flawed.

If you're looking for an enjoyable popcorn muncher, go see Spiderman. Also flawed, but Sam Raimi's intense love for movies is apparent in every frame.


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Trinitty
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posted 23 May 2002 11:35 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So would you recommend that a Star Wars fan avoid this flick?
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posted 23 May 2002 01:27 PM      Profile for Jobes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Well, these movies have no Darth Vader. Heroes without villains to fight are pretty dull, no matter how many effects houses you own.

First, Anakin(Darth Vader) is there.

Second,
What about Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus?

Did he not maul Obi-Wan and Anakin?

Did he not get away from Yoda, the most magnificent Jedi Master of the era? Even if he got away cheaply?

What about Darth Tyrannus...

Sigh.


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posted 23 May 2002 03:57 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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What about Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus?

Count Dooku? What kind of villain's name is that? Ooooooo, I'm so scared...Count Dooku is coming to get me!

Darth Tyrannus? Darth Sidious? Real original George. Looking forward to Episode 3 and the introduction of Darth Eevol and Darth Reallybadperson.


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posted 23 May 2002 05:59 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I realize that "Annie" (don't you cringe every time you hear that name) is Darth Vader. And here's another clue for you all, Senator Palpatine becomes the Emperor Palpatine. But you already knew that. As does the rest of the audience... a big part of what is so dull about these prequels.

And frankly, simply hiring Christopher Lee to play a character and calling him "Tyrannus" doesn't automatically make that character villainous. You actually have to make some effort to develop your villain... remember Darth strangling his adversary at Moff Tarkin's conference table? That's how to create a memorable villain. Show him doing something outrageously sadistic early in the story. Give him a human side too. George is relying WAY too heavily on the Act 3 "I taught you well, my apprentice" revelation bit for his hey presto instant conflict generator... we're all supposed to go "OOH, they know each other from way back. No wonder they hate each other. I'm going to really enjoy his comeuppance." Lazy writing. Doesn't wash. If the audience is supposed to give a shit about the sword fight in Act 3, the writer has to have planted some pretty important seeds of the conflict in the first Act.

ie. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Should Star Wars fans go? Of course they should. Nothing I say could stop 'em anyway. Yoda kicks butt. Boba Fett's dad is the guy from Once Were Warriors. Jar Jar's gone. Just don't expect Star Wars or even Empire Strikes Back.


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 23 May 2002 10:37 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"or even Empire Strikes Back"

excuse me, but Empire was the best of the trilogy.


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posted 23 May 2002 10:42 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree J22, and I'm -- to put it as mildly as possible -- not a Star Wars fan. Except of course for Deep Space Nine.
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Jobes
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posted 23 May 2002 10:48 PM      Profile for Jobes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
- HAHAHAHA!!

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posted 23 May 2002 11:02 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
George is relying WAY too heavily on the Act 3 "I taught you well, my apprentice" revelation bit for his hey presto instant conflict generator...

I dunno about the script for this thing, since I haven't and won't see it, but the critical consensus seems to be that Lucas hasn't much knack for directing human actors. In fact, some critics speculate -- unkindly, but perhaps accurately -- that he wants to take the digital-filmmaking process to its ultimate conclusion, and do away with humans altogether.


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posted 23 May 2002 11:03 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
not a Star Wars fan. Except of course for Deep Space Nine.

STAR TREK! STAR TREK!!!


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Jobes
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posted 23 May 2002 11:04 PM      Profile for Jobes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Darth Vader, Luke: Star Wars

DS9: star trek you fool...omfg Deep Space 9 is STAR TREK...grr...


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posted 23 May 2002 11:05 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
DS9: star trek you fool...omfg Deep Space 9 is STAR TREK...grr...

Hee hee. Gotcha!

Edited to add:
Certain forms of trolling can be harmless fun.

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 23 May 2002 11:06 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Be polite little man!

Gee 'lance, you beat me by 15 seconds. I was referring to the See-Pee-Elle

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: SamL ]


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Jobes
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posted 23 May 2002 11:16 PM      Profile for Jobes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See-Pee-Elle?

Must you spelle everything out?

I think SamL is Tee-Iyy-Arr-Eee-Dee...

He should go to Bee-Eee-Dee.

Nuf sed?

Edited to say: Enough insolence from you private...

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: Jobes ]


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posted 25 May 2002 11:36 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My son asked me to PUH-leese get him some Froot Loops Cereal, so I did. Then he told me he didn't want that, he wanted the Froot Loops with the Star Wars Rubick's cube inside. I returned the first Froot Loops. Another store had the Froot
Loops with the Star Wars Rubick's cube. I brought that home.

Then I found out that it had to be the Star Wars Rubick's Cube with Jango Fett on it. No other Star Wars creature, most especially Anikin Skywalker as a teen nerd, was acceptable.

YHou may think I am making this up, but...


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posted 25 May 2002 01:41 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just bring home 12 boxes of cereal and save yourself the trip!

I saw the movie last night - I thought it was great, but I'm a terrible reviewer of movies. If it has cool effects and keeps me happy for a couple of hours, then it gets two thumbs up from me.

I loved the chases. And Yoda was awesome! You're right, though, his rival does get away cheaply. I was thoroughly entertained the whole time, even though this is also true:

quote:
Darth Tyrannus? Darth Sidious? Real original George. Looking forward to Episode 3 and the introduction of Darth Eevol and Darth Reallybadperson.

HAHAHA, I nearly peed myself laughing when I read this. Anyhow. I haven't seen Phantom Menace yet, but a friend has it on DVD. I'll have to see that one too. Kind of dumb to do it out of order, but my friend really wanted to see AOTC last night and I must admit, I was quite curious to see what all the hype was about.

A great movie to see on the big screen - I loved the action and chase scenes. You're right about the romance - it left something to be desired. But then I've never thought the Star Wars movies handled romance all that well - it always felt like an afterthought.

Two thumbs up from me.


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posted 25 May 2002 06:23 PM      Profile for sherpafish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never got to have Froot Loops unless my Dad went shopping, and he wasn't realy alowed to go shopping.
On the back of some Post cereals there is free Famous Players movie coupon. The coupon is worth more than the cereal!
My roomates bought 10 boxes of Shredded Wheat. They don't eat Shredded Wheat. There is a yellow tower of boxes stacked in the living room. I've worked my way through 3 boxes so far.

Oh yeah, AotC. I thought the fist quarter just plain sucked and the acting (esp young Ani) was horrible. there are 3 things that saved this movie and made it worth watching in theater: Mace Windu's "Shaft" moment, phenomanomal special effects, and Natilie Portman. Wow.
Yoda's acrobatics demonstration was pretty good too.


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posted 25 May 2002 08:07 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, the acting WAS pretty bad. But I was all about the action and special effects. If I want acting I'll rent Terms of Endearment.
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posted 25 May 2002 08:15 PM      Profile for sherpafish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And I'll watch Dead Man Walking, but if they tried to throw some realy realy bad special effects into either of our 'acting movies' I'd bet that we'd be less that impressed.

There is a certain artistic/industry standard that has to met, if not improved upon. American Pie *shudder* had more believable acting than Attack of the Clones.

Still, as I said above, I thought it was worth watching in theater. Once.


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posted 27 May 2002 10:17 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We just watched AOTC yesterday, and I'm relieved and happy. It was really good. Of course, it IS Star Wars, there's going to be some cheese in there, but, all in all, I was impressed. Christianson did a good job as Anakin, I was worried that the "love story" was going to be mushy, and aside from the meadow-rolling scene he did a good job. He was more obsessive and slightly creepy than romantic, which is what I was hoping for. MacGregor does a great job as Obiwan, he's got Alec Guiness's cadense and accent doen pat.

Michelle: don't watch Phantom Menace, just pretend that it starts at episode two. Awful, reeking tripe that movie was.


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Today 20th Century Fox announced that they overestimated the receipts of "Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of The Clones." They overestimated by about $6 million. Yeah, and they said it was a really stupid mistake because they figured in that fans would bring along dates.

- Conan O'Brian


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posted 29 May 2002 02:56 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Today 20th Century Fox announced that they overestimated the receipts of "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of The Clones." They overestimated by about $6 million.

That's the problem with faster-than-light travel. Time is distorted, and as we all know, time is money.


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Hey Crank, have you seen this clip yet? It's SO funny - someone linked to it on Marigold the other day. It will open your media player automatically, btw.

Triumph the Insult Comic Dog - Starwars Nerds


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posted 29 May 2002 03:19 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find that tasteless and cruel.

Some of those people are pretty sensitive souls, and wouldn't say a mean thing to anyone, other than fellow Star Wars followers who think that Ewoks were a great substitute for Wookies in Return of the Jedi. Most of them are introverts and are usually very smart, well read and compassionate human beings. This is their big event that they go to, their night out.

Yet people think it's damned hilarious to stick them on late-night and have a bunch of mindless must-see-tv-watching couch surfers laugh at them. "Ha-ha, look at those geeks, they're escapists for a reason, and that reason coudn't possibly be assholes such as myself who consider Survivor to be deep, laughing at their choices and appearances and calling them geeks and nerds and tormenting people like them when they were forced to go to public school with me. NERDS! Aw, shit, my computer's broken, time to call a geek. Wow, there's like, icecaps on Mars?"

To hell with that.


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posted 29 May 2002 03:19 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
People will do anything to be on TV.

(P.S.: Michelle; you're working Jacob Two-Two's corner!)


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posted 29 May 2002 03:20 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wookies use Ewok skins to upholster(sp?) their furniture.
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Yea I've seen that clip ... and the movie. Nothing wrong with self depricating humour.
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posted 29 May 2002 03:35 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, Trinitty. I didn't mean to be offensive. I wouldn't have laughed at it if I thought they seemed hurt by it. I thought just about all of the people in the line up thought it was funny - most of them took it really well.

The friends I sent the URL who laughed the hardest at it were Star Wars and Star Trek fans, actually - they cheerfully call themselves "trekkies" and "nerds". But again, if it upset you, I'm sorry.


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YOU weren't offensive Michelle.

It pisses me off that people think that shit is funny, but it doesn't "offend" me.

I stopped watching after the dog-puppet on the street came up to some guy in a blue jacket with a light sabre said "Look at you, you look like you were assembled from parts of lesser geeks" WOW, how funny. I'm sure that he really enjoyed that and will think of that moment for years to come and that the ensuing attacks were equally hilarious.

Those are real people, lining up to see thier favourite movie, and unless they are dressed in full garb and are approaching the camera themselves, I think those segments are out of line.

You can marvel at the line-up, the length of time they've waited, and ask them why they want to see it so bad, but having some Ed-the-Sock wannabe with a fucking doghead on his hand ridicule them on national television for the enjoyment of others is totally out of line.

And we still have people scratching their heads in wonder and confusion at Columbine.

He's lucky I wasn't there.


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posted 29 May 2002 04:01 PM      Profile for CrankItUpA'Notch        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes it's crude but there's something to be said when the subjects of the gag are laughing right along with it.
You know they could easily do a routine like that for hard-core, rabid, painted-up, screaming sports fans. I'm a sports fan, but I'd like "Triumph" to take a shot at them!

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posted 29 May 2002 04:12 PM      Profile for grasshopper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am glad you speak this way Trinitty .

While the eighties had no monopoly on cruelty, cruel behavior has became an acceptable rite of passage during this forgettable era .

The propensity to find delight in the cruel mockery of others continues full speed ahead to this day . If anything it has only grown much worse .

Have you seen the messages that are contained in childrens tv programming ?

If you watch television or hollywood movies with a critical eye, watching for this, you will see how insidious cruelty has become .

Why is sensitivity and introspection so threatening ? What does it threaten ?

Important questions, I think .

It has been said that meditation is the most subversive act on the planet .


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There is a HUGE difference between sports fans, who are embraced and catered to by mainstream society, and most of the folks that are reffered to as "geeks".

Jocks are celebrated in our culture, being a rapid Leafs Fan is the "norm" in Toronto. Same goes for any other team or city.

Being a sci-fi and fantasy fan is not a socially acceptable thing. Sure, lots of people go and watch Star Wars and the Matrix, but if you're "into" them then that's not "cool".

You can watch Lord of the Rings, and read it if you're a real keener, but don't go any further.
Let's not even TALK about Dungeons and Dragons.

And, other than standing in cowed silence, what else are those accosted supposed to do other than laugh and hope he moves onto his next target soon. Some enjoy the attention, let them come to the camera and do their thing. That's not what happend.


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Thank you grasshopper. I totally agree.
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The propensity to find delight in the cruel mockery of others continues full speed ahead to this day . If anything it has only grown much worse .

I'm more concerned about "satirists" mocking things that have very little significance. Saturday Night Live (I'm assuming that's where this is from) always goes for the easy laugh, the obvious target.

There was a great article by Tony Hendra in the latest Harper's, about the rise and fall of the National Lampoon. Part of his point was that comics of the P.J. O'Rourke ilk made the US safe for Republican humour.


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Woah yeah! Anakin was soooo freaky, especially at the begining when he was first re-aquainted with uh.. whats her name.. the Senator.

I thought it was an overall good movie save for the romance and the Senators nipple SHIRT!! When it was ripped on her back I thought, oh good there goes the nipple shirt! Maybe I am just jealous of her amazing abs.

When Yoda entered the big fight scene, did everyone in your theatre roar with laughter too?


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There is a HUGE difference between sports fans, who are embraced and catered to by mainstream society, and most of the folks that are reffered to as "geeks".

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you. My point is that I don't see why standing in line for 12 hrs to see a movie and dressing-up as your favorite character should be ridiculed or teased any more than what the most rapid sports fans do. We're on the same side here, kinda.
I just think my defintion of what's funny, and whats derogatory and mean is different than yours. If you eliminated all humour that poked fun at people or groups of people , it would be a pretty dull world.

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I'm a pretty big Star Wars Nerd/Trekkie, and I'm not offended at all by jokes about Star Wars Nerds.

After all, if the living God himself (Bill Shatner) can do it on SNL . . .


quote:
Being a sci-fi and fantasy fan is not a socially acceptable thing. Sure, lots of people go and watch Star Wars and the Matrix, but if you're "into" them then that's not "cool".


I dunno. Folk have been pretty impressed when I go on and on about Star Wars trivia. Who else knows the name of the actor who played the Chief Ugnaut in ESB?

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You can watch Lord of the Rings, and read it if you're a real keener, but don't go any further.
Let's not even TALK about Dungeons and Dragons.

Dungeons & Dragons is most certainly not cool. It is the Microsoft Windows of role-playing games. It's an inferior system with way too many users.

Real role-players use GURPS, HERO, or Shadowrun.

I scoff at Dungeons & Dragons!

So sayeth VVMB!

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'lance,

I wonder if humour itself isn't threatened .

An actor on his deathbed .

" death is easy, comedy is hard ".

Comedy can also be extremely dangerous .

Lewis Lapham remarked how, during one of Pres. Clintons' state of the union addresses i think, during the Lewinsky debacle, how, if one single person in the audience had let go with a burst of incredulous laughter or even a guffaw, the whole house of cards would have come down, presidency and all, in an endless orgy of laughs . What was all the more remarkable, is how Clinton was so profoundly in control of himself under this pressure .


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Lewis Lapham remarked how, during one of Pres. Clintons' state of the union addresses i think, during the Lewinsky debacle, how, if one single person in the audience had let go with a burst of incredulous laughter or even a guffaw, the whole house of cards would have come down, presidency and all, in an endless orgy of laughs .

An appealing image.

With Hendra (see reference above; unfortunately it's not available on-line), I believe that satire comes out of disappointed idealism. I see no evidence of idealism among the SNL crew.


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Who else knows the name of the actor who played the Chief Ugnaut in ESB?

Not me, but I'm guessing a Finn. They have ugnauts over some of their vowels, yes?


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With Hendra (see reference above; unfortunately it's not available on-line), I believe that satire comes out of disappointed idealism. I see no evidence of idealism among the SNL crew.

Junes' issue right ?

I am glad that you bring all this up 'lance .

I will chew over the question of satire for a little, okay ?

I am thinking about humour alot lately .

Play as well .

If I think my musings are worthy enough to share here I will start two new threads .

One for humour and one for play .

(by all means anyone else feel free of course)

I personally am a frustrated humourist .

This is not to say that I have spent hundreds of hours reflecting on the subject .

But a good part of me thinks that this would be an effective way to share ideas .

I don't know if anyone else (outside of one particularly special friend) would find me funny .

It sure is fun though .


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The propensity to find delight in the cruel mockery of others continues full speed ahead to this day . If anything it has only grown much worse .

Have you seen the messages that are contained in childrens tv programming ?


I have been watching children's programming almost every day for three years now. I haven't noticed cruel mockery of others in it. Could you elaborate?


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I doubt he's talking about Clifford and the rest of the Get Set for Life lineup, Michelle. More the Rugrats, Dragonball Z YTV/Nick axis.
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I FINALLY saw Attack of the Clones last night. It was almost everything I could have hoped for. There were no scenes that really annoyed me (although CP0's dialogue was pretty cheesy), but I could think of a few little things I would have done to make it even better, like putting a Rancor in the coliseum scene, or changing Count Dooku's name to Jorus C'Boath (hard-core fans will recognize the name).
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Okay, ya got me, I'll go.

Tomorrow night.

I was five in '77 when it came out.

Some of the kids I grew up with went to see Star Wars thirty times or more !

Not me . Three times and I was satisfied.

(I was also the only kid in my class one year who didn't get the Michael Jackson book when our book orders were placed ! I think I got a big Asimov book.)

I had the trash compactor toy from Star Wars, and the X-wing fighter but what I really wanted was the Millenium Falcon...

(adopts Christopher Walken voice)

"...fast ship? She's fast enough for you... old man. She's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than five parsecs."

Boba Fett was galactically cool back then.

I hear there is another Fett (?) in this movie.

By the way, their were three kinds of kids when I was five. There were those who adamantly felt that dinky cars could in fact fly if you just opened their doors up like wings and made the airplane noise, those who insisted with great emphasis that this could not, and should not ever be done - going so far as to try to lower a pair of dinky car flying arms - and those who like me were indiffferent to dinky cars, but if I felt to play with them they could fly, or not fly, depending on how I was feeling on that particular day.


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I hear there is another Fett (?) in this movie.

It's even cooler than that. I won't spoil it by ruining the surprise.


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Christopher Walken was in Star Wars? I didn't know that. I haven't seen the original 3 movies in so many years now...
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Now that would have been cool Michelle.

Nah, he was in a spoof on SNL where he played Han Solo to his own quirky style - he has his own speech cadence and inflections that me and some pals imitate (quite well, I should say) when we're feeling silly.

From the Dead Zone (SNL spoof as well ? or did we make this one up? cannot remember)...

Walken touches your arm, and is suddenly seized by a glimpse of the future.

"Your driving - you've got a coffee - you spill some in your lap - its hot - you pull over - you'll be alright."

There is another SNL skit (I am not a big fan BTW) where he plays a famous music producer who is recording Blue Oyster Cults' "don't fear the reaper"

"that was superb, beautiful, really, just a bit more cowbell, could we have a little more cowbell, that was beautiful"

That's a night-driving song for a lunatic.
(or a smuggler)
Open country.

[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: grasshopper ]


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I remember someone from california once saying " when Walken enters the room, even Nicholson shuts his mouth".

Apparently he can be a little intimidating.


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Now THOSE skits would have been pretty funny! I love Walken. I just bought The Suicide Kings, and I thought he was pretty good in it. Everything I see him in, I enjoy, even if the movie itself isn't all that great.
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I just saw AOTC the other night, and after all the complaining I had heard it was much better than I expected. It's fun to see Jedis in action and the special effects were well used (though for my money, the best special effect was Natalie Portman changing in and out of about three dozen form-fitting costumes. I think I missed some key moments just because it was so hard not to stare at her).

What I really found interesting, however, was the way the story is shaping up and how topical it is.

Chancellor Palpatine (who was elected under duplicitous circumstances as shown in PM) works in secret with a renegade Jedi (Dooku, who could not have a worse name) to fabricate a crisis to the galactic republic. Involved in this conspiricy (but not privy to everything) are the trade aliens from PM, the banking aliens, and the union aliens (honest, I'm not making this up).

In order to stop this threat (that he created) Palpatine manuevers the senate into awarding him "temporary" powers that contradict the democratic nature of the republic. They also approve a military expansion that will be under Palpatine's control, all in the name of "defending democracy".

As if this weren't enough, we are shown the plans for an unfinished super-weapon that will make the future Emperor unbeatable (the death star, of course). That this is in a "Star Wars" movie stretches coincidence to its utmost.

Now, does this sound like anyone we know?

We know how the story works out. Palpatine becomes the Emperor, the ultimate figure of evil in popular mythology. If others see this pattern (even subconsciously) it becomes a rather subversive piece of film, making the moral point that to suspend democracy in order to save it leads to disaster and is highly vulnerable to manipulation by evil autocrats.

I would have scarcely believed it before, but can it be that George is actually a closet radical? Probably not. If I outlined all this for him, I'll bet he wouldn't know what I was talking about. It is telling, however, when the US's real-world "heroes" are more closely analogous with their mythological "villains".

A society in deep denial is what I see. Or maybe not. I guess time will tell.


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I would have scarcely believed it before, but can it be that George is actually a closet radical?

Well, Lucas was one of that late-60s UCLA film-school cohort that was going to overturn the old studio system -- such as it was by 1969 -- and revolutionize Hollywood.

As we now know, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, and not coincidentally -- in true Hollywood happy-ending fashion -- got filthy rich doing it.

Seriously, though Lucas shows scant interest in human beings these days, it's possible to argue, on the evidence of his films, that he has a kind of politics. His first film, THX1138, was about individual rebellion against stifling official conformity, blah blah blah.


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Hey Jacob - a few recent strips from the Comic Boondocks


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The real villain is The Rebel Alliance:

quote:
"Those movies are about how the white man keeps the black man down, even in a galaxy far, far away. Now Vader, he's a spiritual brother, down with the force and all that good shit. Then this cracker Skywalker gets his hands on a lightsaber and decides he's gonna run the fucking universe, gets a whole Klan of whites together, and they gonna bust up Vader's hood - the Death Star. And in Jedi, the most insulting installment of all, Vader's beautiful, black visage is sullied when he pull off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty old white man! They're trying to tell us that deep inside, we all want to be white!
-Hooper X (Dwight Ewell), Chasing Amy

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"A construction job of that magnitude (the second Death Star) would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial Army had to offer. I bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers. In order to get it built quickly and quietly, they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average Stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms. All those innocent contractors were killed - casualties of a war they had nothing to do with."
-Randal (Jeff Anderson), Clerks

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Seriously, though Lucas shows scant interest in human beings these days, it's possible to argue, on the evidence of his films, that he has a kind of politics.
What do you think of his having destroyed the prints of the original version of Star Wars?

BTW does anyone know where he got the name "Storm Troopers" from? My first thought is that he plagiarized it from the Nazi Party's original paramilitary organization.

RD


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What do you think of his having destroyed the prints of the original version of Star Wars?

First I've heard of it; what was his rationale?

Kind of thing that drives film historians batty, I'm sure. But then, Hollywood's always been a pretty anti-historical place.


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BTW does anyone know where he got the name "Storm Troopers" from? My first thought is that he plagiarized it from the Nazi Party's original paramilitary organization.


Seems logical, since Vader's helmet was patterned on a Nazi helmet and a gas mask.


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Back when I was a star wars fanatic, I came up with all sorts of theories on what star wars was "really about". One of them was comparing it to WWII. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Like what was said in previous posts, the storm troopers and Vader's helmet is what really made me think that the theory had some validity. Mind you, I had some other perople say that star wars was about the Catholic-Protastant situation in Ireland.

I'm glad I don't have to think about that stuff anymore and go on to more important questions like how Mork and Mindy met.


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Back when I was a star wars fanatic, I came up with all sorts of theories on what star wars was "really about". One of them was comparing it to WWII.

When Lucas first showed a rough cut of Star Wars to his friends, the special-effects sequences (fighter craft attacking each other, etc.) hadn't yet been completed. So he spliced in WWII-movie footage of aerial dogfights.

After the screening, his friends were reportedly embarassed for him.


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Unfortunately, if we follow the Palpatine=Bush allegory to its logical conclusion, according to Lucas, the only person capable of stopping Dubya's Evil Empire would be Prince William.

It's quite amusing to see George attempt to justify his aristocrat worship in Episode 2. Apparently Monarchs are now democratically elected in Lucas's universe. Does this mean that Leia was elected with less than a majority, hence the Princess honorific?


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Yeah, all that democratic queen stuff was pretty laughable. Look at that, the constitution of the Naboo says that she can only serve two terms. And right after that they ask her to be a senator. Gee, the US must be perfect if the glorious galactic republic uses the same system.

But you're wrong about the aristocrat thing, I think. Remember that Anakin was a slave and the virgin birth of a slave. How Leia became a princess, who knows, but she comes from slave stock as does Luke. So the real message here is that the slaves (that's us, by the way) need to rise up against the Empire, win back the corrupted slaves to our side (Vader's dramatic conversion at the end of Jedi) and throw down the evil Emperor.

At first I was thinking that these recent SW movies were a bad idea, but I watched the originals last night and I actually appreciated them a bit more for having the background. The new movies are vastly inferior, of course, but they do serve a purpose in fleshing out the conflicts of the real trilogy.


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Now yer really takin' the flicks a little too seriously...
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... and when VvMB says that, Jacob, ya better listen!
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I suspect that you're being kinder to George than he deserves. I highly doubt the Spartacus angle was on his mind when he wrote the original movie. He was high on a cursory reading of "Hero with a thousand faces" and set out to write a fable/quest with all of the Medieval trimmings, complete with the mystical justification for the aristocracy (ordained by the Force), the knights striving for purity, the Princess in distress in the usurper's castle, the lowly Hero who dies, is reborn and goes on to discover his divine lineage, etc. Hell, there's even a dragon in the moat. I don't think George fully realized the ideological trap he had laid for himself. I truly suspect he had no clue concerning the his Republic/Empire conflict outside of a pretty serious misunderstanding of Roman history. Which is part of what's so amusing about him trying to wriggle out of it now.

The unfortunate downside to borrowing too heavily from mythology as a writer is you end up singing the praises of the same folks the ancient poets were hired to praise.

It's what makes Roddenberry's universe so much more praiseworthy, he really did attempt to envision an egalitarian future for mankind free of overlords and tyrants.


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First I've heard of it; what was his rationale?
He released modified versions of the first three films called the Special Editions, with changes he feels are more in touch with his original artistic vision.

If he has his way, the original films will exist only on laserdisc and in a few prints in private collections.

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Well, it hardly upsets me one way or the other. As may have become apparent, I'm not exactly a fan.

Interesting point, though -- who owns a film? (I mean philosophically, not legally). Do historians of film get upset about revisions of the past? I imagine they do.


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I'm not giving George any credit. The sculptor is merely a vessel. All art is in the audience (me, in this case )
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Sadly, I have begun to show quite a distaste for star wars. Mainly because everyone in my film class is talking about it. Somewhat weird stuff like "Why Palpatine wears a cloak" and stuff like that and I have heard nothing but since the AOTC trailer came out. Also one of the junior students in a different film class (but who hangs out in my class) is planning on making a full-length star wars movie on his own with him as a sith...... thank god there is only one week of school left. Hopefully, my liking of star wars will come back.
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