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smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited
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posted 03 March 2005 02:46 PM      Profile for smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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While Eastwood and Swank do their best to make Maggie and Frankie's relationship feel real, the characters on the margins are mostly crude caricatures, especially Maggie's trailer-dwelling family and a scrawny boxer with a grating hick accent who trains at Frankie's gym and serves only to provide a triumphant moment for Scrap exactly when he needs it.

The entire film is full of moments like this, false triumphs that are predictable and unearned, coming at precisely the prescribed moments. Although those triumphs are ultimately tempered by tragedy, it ends up feeling like overcompensation, and equally unearned.



Review

I haven't seen it yet. Is it all just hype?


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Don't know, but here's what that critic thought of other films.

BEST TO WORST SAMPLING
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5/5 Alien: The Director's Cut
4.5/5 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
4/5 Monster
3.5/5 The Company
3/5 Miracle
2.5/5 Along Came Polly
2/5 The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
1.5/5 Twisted
1/5 The Butterfly Effect
0.5/5 Raise Your Voice
0/5 Spanglish


BEST REVIEWED
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5/5 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
5/5 Alien: The Director's Cut
A About Schmidt
4.5/5 Before Sunset
4.5/5 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
A- The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
4.5/5 The Good Thief
A- Solaris


WORST REVIEWED
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0/5 Spanglish
0/5 National Security
0.5/5 Raise Your Voice
D Equilibrium
1/5 A Dirty Shame
1/5 Jersey Girl
1/5 The Butterfly Effect
1/5 Malibu's Most Wanted
1/5 Kangaroo Jack
1/5 A Man Apart

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/author-9267/


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posted 03 March 2005 03:10 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And here's what the rest of the critics thought.

91% fresh is a very high rating.

I thought it was a nice little ensemble film. Very well written and acted. I don't find originality to be very important as long as something is done well.


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posted 03 March 2005 03:43 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spoiler alert: I'm going to talk about the "big twist" here, so if you're easily upset about this, stop reading now.

I was quite put off by the euthanasia stuff - cheap tone-deaf, tearjerk stuff with a pretty awful underlying message.

I admire Clint's extremely casual approach to filmaking, but I liked Mystic River more, and Unforgiven is still his very best. This script was not worth the considerable effort that the actors put into it.


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posted 03 March 2005 03:50 PM      Profile for smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am starting to think that there is a big disparity with what the bulk of reviewers in print say & how good/awful a film really is.

Has anyone seen Shyamalan's THE VILLAGE? It got such horrible reviews. I loved it! It is shot so beautifully. And I didn't see that ending coming at all. Maybe I'm just a simpleton.

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I'm actively lobbying to have M Night Shymalan's artistic license suspended until he can get over his precious "I didn't see that coming" compulsion. There's a featurette in the DVD of Sixth Sense where he takes you on a tour of all the cleverly hidden clues to his boring twist ending - it's a bit like having a four year old explain his drawing to you, but without any of the attendant charm.
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posted 03 March 2005 06:05 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw that featurette too. One thing I found especially irritating was his patronizing attitude to his viewers. I remember him saying something to the effect of "Well I thought it would be obvious to everybody, I was so surprised that no body got it (referring to his prolific use of the color "red" to symbolize death).

I didn't care for the Village either.


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Eternal Sunshine should have been won. It certainly deserved to be nominated.
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posted 03 March 2005 10:28 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I was quite put off by the euthanasia stuff - cheap tone-deaf, tearjerk stuff with a pretty awful underlying message.

Eastwood has a terrible record when it comes to disability rights. He still refuses to make his resort handicapped accessible. Even though the Americans with Disabilities Act requires that all buildings be accessible. He modified the Act so that there would have to be 90 days after a complaint before the owner could be sued. Clint insists that he just did it to protect disabled people from greedy lawyers. The ending of Million Dollar Baby is just another example of his bigoted attitude.


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I guess that without seeing that - and I do not watch Hollywood films - one cannot really know what you are talking about.

One can certainly favour disability rights and voluntary euthanasia, as they both relate to people being able to choose their own lives (and deaths) as much as physically possible.

I've googled about it - it seems to attract the ire of those obnoxious pro-lifer types who think that life MUST be lived no matter how horrible it is for the person living the so-called life. I hate them. As much as one admires the disability movement that grew out of disabled vets and others fighting for their rights (a very militant movement) there is that fucking right-wing Christian undercurrent that life is a veil of tears and must be endured whatever.

Cheap and shoddy as it is for an entrepreneur not to retrofit his toilets, being told by some sanctimonious preacher that one must inhabit a body one finds nothing but a burden is 1000% times worse.

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It's interesting. According to my brother, most of the people who attend Bob Latimer's vigils are pro-life.

Ironic Isn't it?

How does one determine how horrible someone's life is?


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posted 04 March 2005 05:08 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CMOT, it is up to the person to decide.

God, I hate pro-lifers.


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posted 04 March 2005 06:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
CMOT, it is up to the person to decide.

Which is why Robert Latimer is a murderer.


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posted 04 March 2005 01:26 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Which is why Robert Latimer is a murderer.

Exactly.


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posted 04 March 2005 05:18 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Cheap and shoddy as it is for an entrepreneur not to retrofit his toilets, being told by some sanctimonious preacher that one must inhabit a body one finds nothing but a burden is 1000% times worse.

I'm about as far from the right to life fringe as it's possible to be, and still, I thought it was incredibly lazy and downright creepy for Eastwood to make a film that expressly glorifies euthanasia without bothering to explore the theme even slightly. Maudlin insult to the intelligence.


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posted 04 March 2005 05:31 PM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Which is why Robert Latimer is a murderer.


I guess you don't come into contact with people that suffer the way she did. I DON'T think Latimer was a murderer. And his minimum sentace of 10 years is very harsh. He isn't going to go out and "kill" agian. Shit Karla Homolka is going to be out before he is and she DID MURDER 3 people!!
There was a guy in michigan who was in a motorcycle accident when he was 19 he hadn't been out of the hospital in 19 years. He asked for the courts to just stop the machines that kept him alive(he was a quadraplegic) they denied it saying that he had to live out his days in aggony and mental entrappment. Wow that is quality of life.


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I guess you don't come into contact with people that suffer the way she did. I DON'T think Latimer was a murderer. And his minimum sentace of 10 years is very harsh. He isn't going to go out and "kill" agian. Shit Karla Homolka is going to be out before he is and she DID MURDER 3 people!!

Tracy Latimer couldn't say: Dad, I'm in pain. I want to die. Therefore he shouldn't have killed her. He's a murderer. It's that simple. I don't buy the argument that he couldn't get help for her either. The man wasn't living in a Calcutta slum for god's sake! This is Canada. Despite what our politicians say, we still have one of the best darned healthcare systems in the world. If he'd looked hard enough, he could have found a specialist who would be willing to help his daughter.

I think the guy has a very low chance of reoffending. However, the case really creeped me out and I was glad when the courts decided to make an example of him. If the judge had let him walk, it would have set an absolutely awful precedent.

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I've googled about it - it seems to attract the ire of those obnoxious pro-lifer types who think that life MUST be lived no matter how horrible it is for the person living the so-called life. I hate them. As much as one admires the disability movement that grew out of disabled vets and others fighting for their rights (a very militant movement) there is that fucking right-wing Christian undercurrent that life is a veil of tears and must be endured whatever.



It isn't just fundamentalist Normie nutcakes who are opposed to the film. Its members of the disability rights activists too. OK, some of them may religious zealots, but I've read one article from the ragged edge which had a relatively secular sound to it. The guy does a pretty good job of blasting million-dollar baby. here is the article. Keep in mind that this piece is written by steve drake, a spokesman for "not dead yet", a disability rights organization based in Boston that opposes euthanasia. It's still a good read though.

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