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Doug
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posted 21 January 2008 05:33 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They are Japanese, but the story of how they came to be served at Chinese restaurants is an interesting one.

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Now a researcher in Japan believes she can explain the disconnect, which has long perplexed American tourists in China. Fortune cookies, Yasuko Nakamachi says, are almost certainly originally from Japan.

Her prime pieces of evidence are the generations-old small family bakeries making obscure fortune cookie-shaped crackers by hand near a temple outside Kyoto. She has also turned up many references to the cookies in Japanese literature and history, including an 1878 image of a man making them in a bakery - decades before the first reports of American fortune cookies.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/dining/16fort.html


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bigcitygal
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posted 21 January 2008 05:45 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh my god, Doug, what are you saying? What about sweet and sour chicken balls? Are they not genuine Chinese food either?
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In other news, Americans are morons.

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adam stratton
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posted 21 January 2008 05:53 AM      Profile for adam stratton        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BCG,

I always did and will "savour" your posts.

Instead of writing a sweeping "Americans are morons", I would have written "idiocy is rampant in the USA". That would save intelligent, decent Americans from the net

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bigcitygal
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posted 21 January 2008 06:10 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
adam are you flirting with me? Quite the compliment-giver you are, aren't you? Thanks for sharing how you would have put it.

I will, however, continue to write how I write, and I felt that this moment was simply begging for a generalization about Americans. So there.

From the article:

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But there is one place where fortune cookies are conspicuously absent: China.

Now a researcher in Japan believes she can explain the disconnect, which has long perplexed American tourists in China.


Anything that perplexes American tourists, well, we've got ourselves a brain-teaser!

[ 21 January 2008: Message edited by: bigcitygal ]


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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 21 January 2008 06:25 AM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, right on! I'm not the only one who thought that "Savour your posts" was some kind of dirty metaphor.
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marzo
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posted 21 January 2008 10:36 AM      Profile for marzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
... Americans are morons.
Does that include those Americans who are smarter than you?

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bigcitygal
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posted 21 January 2008 10:44 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
marzo you seem to be humour-deficient. At least adam was funny about it.
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rural - Francesca
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posted 21 January 2008 10:51 AM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by marzo:
Does that include those Americans who are smarter than you?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours!


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adam stratton
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posted 21 January 2008 11:09 AM      Profile for adam stratton        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Hey, right on! I'm not the only one who thought that "Savour your posts" was some kind of dirty metaphor. -The Wizard of Socialism

People who went through 4 cultural/linguistic showers are more likely to come out clean in language and rich in expressions than the obviously unilingual, unicultural, sex-centred white anglo male that you are. I may not find the "right" anglo-word as you would, but Hey! at least I can get by with borrowing from the french culture. répète après moi: Nous savourons la lecture, nous savourons un livre.

For your benefit, have someone who speaks French read and translate to you this review of a book "Agence France-Presse 1944-2004"


On parcourt tout d'abord les dizaines de photographies qui illustrent ce recueil, en croyant les connaître... puis on s'attarde sur les différents clichés, on observe. C'est bien l'avantage de ce genre d'albums : des années 1950 à aujourd'hui, il ne s'agit pas d'actualité brûlante ou du choc des photos, mais de quelques instantanés. Juste un instant, pour voir Simone Signoret défiler après les accords Blum-Byrnes, pour voir Pierre Mendès France pendant les changements ministériels incessants de la Quatrième République. Pour voir des visages incarnés. Ceux-ci sont, certes, attachés à leur époque, et existent pourtant en eux-mêmes. Il ne s'agit donc pas d'un simple catalogue mais aussi et surtout d'un album de famille, d'un concentré de souvenirs ancrés dans la mémoire collective. A voir, à revoir, à feuilleter, à savourer... un livre pour se souvenir qu'il y a eu un avant et que celui-ci a compté. -Ariane Beauvillard

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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 21 January 2008 11:56 AM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For someone with no sense of humour you are exceedingly funny.
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martin dufresne
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posted 21 January 2008 12:26 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Adam, a word to the wise: I think the double-entendre is about "posts", not "savour"...
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adam stratton
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posted 21 January 2008 03:15 PM      Profile for adam stratton        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Wizard,

As your message was emotionless, I took it literally. Since meant to be lighthearted/funny, I apologize.

martin,

Thanks for the clarification.


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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 21 January 2008 04:01 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Think nothing of it, Adam. Martin is correct. The operative word was posts. Perhaps the humour was lost in translation. Which is one of my favorite films, btw. It has a killer song on the soundtrack - "Just Like Honey" by The Jesus & Mary Chain. Doubleplusgood.
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Wilf Day
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posted 21 January 2008 04:12 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
Anything that perplexes American tourists, well, we've got ourselves a brain-teaser!

Growing up in Peterborough, where kids got summer jobs in the Kawarthas and spent the next winter telling American tourist jokes, I'm relieved to see they're still on.
quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
I felt that this moment was simply begging for a generalization about Americans. So there.

I think you were on safe ground. Those Americans who don't fit the generalization would recogize its general validity; if they don't, they must be morons. QED.

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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 21 January 2008 04:21 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just spent a week with some very smart Americans. They are however, a humourless lot, with no appreciation of a fellow's wide green tie or vintage pigskin jacket. (The Ed Broadbent look, circa 1973.)
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Boarsbreath
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posted 22 January 2008 06:36 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Idiocy is rampant" -- I like that.

Allows one to say, "I am not an idiot! I suffer from idiocy!"

(As a New Yorker humourist wrote)


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