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rasmus
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posted 18 December 2003 10:08 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you haven't seen the movie or read the book, and don't like spoilers, don't read this thread.

Question to the fellowship of the Tolkien geeks. Look into the palantir of your arcane knowledge, and answer me this:

What happens to Legolas and Gimli? Is this settled? One website I read suggests that Gimili accompanies Legolas to the Western Lands. Further, I read that Legolas leaves for the West in the year that Aragorn dies. What's up with that? It thought the ship that bore the ring-bearers was the last ship. And if not, why couldn't Arwen check out with Legolas? She got a bum deal.


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April Follies
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posted 18 December 2003 10:18 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to one of the numerous appendices, Legolas starts to feel the call to the West when he sails on the corsair ships with Aragorn. He puts it off, however, for a long time, long after Frodo departs on the last ship. "It is said" he later builds a ship of his own, and he and Gimli sail it to the West. Now you know.
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posted 18 December 2003 10:20 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Original post deleted. April was quicker on the post

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April Follies
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posted 18 December 2003 10:37 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Translation: April is a big big geek.
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posted 18 December 2003 10:48 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So are Legolas and Arwen the last Elves in Middle Earth, or are there others left during the fourth age? Or is this left unspecified?
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posted 18 December 2003 11:02 PM      Profile for April Follies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Arwen's only half an elf, remember. Well, 3/4 elf, technically... this means that she had enough mortal in her to make the choice: elf or human? Elrond chose elf, she chose human.

Apparently some of the elves of Lothlorien stayed behind long after Galadriel left. I gues sthey built their own boats, too? Arwen goes back to Lothlorien after Aragorn dies (appendix material again) and eventually lies down to die herself after the last of the elves has left Lothlorien. Whether any of the Mirkwood elves (of which Legolas was one) stuck around longer is left unspecified. This is from memory, so I may have details wrong.


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posted 18 December 2003 11:45 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks April. Other geeks, feel free to elaborate.
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posted 19 December 2003 12:53 PM      Profile for silkspirit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can double check when I get home, but I think a lot of Elves stayed behind well into the Fourth Age. The story as I remember it, is that Legolas and Gimli go their seperate ways to rebuild their respective homes. Then after Aragon dies (Arwen dies a year later) Legolas and Gimli sailed the high seas for a bit, before going into the west.

Ooops, sorry, this is Shenanigans, I'm on silkspirit's computer and forgot to change the log-in. That said, he's as geeky as me!

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posted 19 December 2003 01:33 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
in the silmarillion, there was this great migration from tolkien's version of eden (in the far east of middle earth), across to the havens, and thence to valinor (where the gods were). and some elves didn't make the whole journey and remained in middle-earth.

did all the elves have a get-out-of-middleearth pass to eventually go back, even those who weren't descended from the ones in valinor?


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posted 19 December 2003 05:04 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow - you actually managed to get through the Simarillion? I loved TLOTR, but I just couldn't finish that one.

Of course, the ultimate Tolkein geek would be anyone who bought/read/enjoyed The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. Apparently it's filled with even more of Tom's songs. That information was more than enough to put me off.

I wholeheartedly endorsed Peter Jackson's decision to dump Tom.


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posted 19 December 2003 05:06 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS: Anyone read Harvard Lampoon's 'Bored of the Rings'?
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posted 19 December 2003 05:13 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes. That, the first two movies, and the Ralph Bakshi animation are my only LOTR experiences. Mrs. Magoo, however, has read the trilogy about 6 times, and some of the other Tolkiens as well.
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posted 20 December 2003 04:33 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Of course, the ultimate Tolkein geek would be anyone who bought/read/enjoyed The Adventures of Tom Bombadil.

Actually, the UTG would be one who's read Christopher Tolkien's monumental 12-volume History of Middle-earth series -- where he basically goes thru every scrap of his father's Middle-earth writings, tracing the development of the whole mythology over the course of sixty years. Complete with false starts, rough drafts and wrong turns often astonishingly at odds with what Tolkien eventually published.

Consider the fact that in the early drafts of LOTR, the character of "Strider" was actually named "Trotter", and wasn't a lost King-of-the-Men-of-the-West at all, but a hobbit with wooden feet!


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AACK!!
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