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clockwork
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posted 24 September 2001 11:51 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did anyone catch today’s first installment of Ken Finkleman's Foreign Objects?
Thank god for the CBC, I didn't think programming like this ever appears on the boob tube.
The first story was interesting. The cinematography was… was… I don’t know, I’ve never seen anything like it on TV. The story… made you think! And so simple!
The second story was, unfortunately, probably timely. A movie star has a layover in Rome, just finished his new movie. “I think everyone is grown up enough to understand what is real and fantasy,” the star responds to a question about the violence in his picture. Contrast this with the Joe Blow Serb in Kosovo who finally takes the explosive Balkan politics into his own hands. “I just got a satellite dish. 200 hundred channels. I can see the NBA, American football. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Lethal Weapon.”
Absolutely chilling. And scary, ‘cause this is the first time I think I’ve heard a direct quote from Milosevic. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, rhetoric is rhetoric the world over.

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'lance
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posted 25 September 2001 01:23 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just watched the first story. I was about to start a thread called Bring Me The Head of Ken Finkleman.

OK, he's not worth such anger. Yes, it was beautifully shot. But I thought it was so much pretentious wankery. The lovely Maria said his TV work has become his own personal Holosuite, and I can see her point. The men are all tragic and urbane; the women more or less just babes his camera can ogle*, and emotional wrecks besides; and his role is to hang around looking cool.

(*I should add that I don't altogether have a problem with that, in principle. But when combined with the sub-sub-sub-Fellini stuff, I dunno. I suppose it's better than most TV, but for that reason I want to judge it by higher standards, and I don't think it lives up).

(Edited to add: what's this? A Kosovo story? Stop the presses, I'll add more thoughts tomorrow).

[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 25 September 2001 10:30 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Damn, I didn't realize the show was last night. I wanted to watch it.

Instead, I watched the first episode of Evolution on PBS. It's another show I've been looking forward to for a long time.

Also, the new season of The Sopranos started last night.

I hate it when three networks put on shows I've been looking forward to at the same time. They really should consult with me first!!!


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posted 25 September 2001 10:36 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From my own very limited exposure to the man, I can only conclude that Ken Finkleman plays with himself on television. I mean, plays himself.

Talk about weird job interviews! Ugh. The creepiest.


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posted 25 September 2001 10:42 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let us guess. He left long silences, to see how you'd react? He asked you to wash off your perfume because he has allergies? Hmmmn?
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judym
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posted 25 September 2001 11:05 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Long silences? Ho ho. He rambled about, sharing his uncooked "deep thinking" for what seemed like hours. He complained about how the CBC is unable to be as visionary as himself. He asked me if I knew someone else he had interviewed (for a talk show he was to host that - thankfully - never got off the ground). He said he found her very attractive, and had asked her if it would bother her to work with someone who found her sexually attractive.

He told me this. During a JOB interview. He went on and on and on about himself.

But I guess this is off-topic for the thread.

As far as I'm concerned, he's Canada's pretentious alternative to Oliver Stone. Give me the Larry Sanders Show any day.

There, I feel better now.

[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: judym ]


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 25 September 2001 11:08 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I REALLY liked The Newsroom. I bought the scripts. It was hilarious.

No Tears made no sense. It was way confusing.

His movie about the making of a reality tv show was also hilarious.

I know nothing about the man. I don't really care. If he makes funny shows, that's all I really care about.


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posted 25 September 2001 11:35 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I’m in agreement with mediaboy. And as for the word pretentious, what’s wrong with that? I see so little pretentious crap that it is still a treat for me. In fact, in my world, pretentiousness is escapists.
And my world has so few tragic and urbane characters.

Obviously none of you saw the Kosovo segment, then…


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posted 25 September 2001 12:23 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did see the Kosovo segment, or rather I saw segments of it, as I was drifting in and out of the room. Afterwards, perversely, I wished I'd watched the whole thing, so I could criticize it more intelligently.

It didn't irritate me as much as the first one, that's for sure. It certainly had some compelling acting and writing. But something still bothered me about it. The juxtaposition between buddy's I-love-my-200-channels-and- Die-Hard-movies brutality on the one hand, and the vacuity of the action-film business on the other, seemed too obvious, too easy somehow. Movie stars are dimwits? No, really, Ken?

And of course there was the inevitable stuff about our hero's philandering. Boring.

All right, he aims high and all, and perhaps deserves credit for that. But it's what he produces that counts. Quite honestly, I've not liked anything since The Newsroom. Artistes love to make fun of such philistinism (cf Stardust Memories), but let 'em.

Now Rick Mercer's Made in Canada -- that's something I never miss. I like it even better than Larry Sanders.

(judym, you were holding out on us over on the Weird Interviews thread!)


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posted 25 September 2001 12:28 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am so glad that Mercer didn't pull a Finkelman and say, "we're not going to make any more episodes of Made In Canada because I don't want to corrupt my vision for the show."

I hope Made In Canada stays around for a long, long time.

What do people think of Colin Mochrie joining the cast of This Hour Has 22 Minutes?


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posted 25 September 2001 12:33 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If someone used the phrase "corrupt my vision" in Rick Mercer's hearing, he'd probably laugh and come out with a witty variation on "corrupt THIS, buddy."

Mochrie I find annoying, but I don't know that anyone could really replace Mercer.


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posted 25 September 2001 12:41 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lance, I read a little bit more into the 200 channel universe/violent movie thing. Finkleman also showed the life of Joe Blow Serb and showed a clip of Milosevic. The connection may be easy to spot, but I’d lump in the Milosevic speech as well. It makes a strong statement about understanding violence for real and in the make believe. Except in the case of Milosevic, it was a real person.
Remember, at the beginning of the show, the Albanian friend and the Serbs were all saying politics is for the politicians. The politicians try to separate us. And look what happened?

Think about twits fire bombing mosques around here, and the harassment and even death after the Sept 11 thing. I think the point was much more intricate. I think, maybe, that the point could be made that all TV is a fiction. The movie star and Milosevic were two sides of the same coin.

MBoy... I hope Colin is just as political as Mercer...


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posted 25 September 2001 12:44 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Replace? No. But I think there could be better choices than Mochrie to succeed Mercer.

I'd love to see Norm Macdonald return to his Canadian roots, for example.

I could think of a few older Canuck comedians who could do a really good Lloyd Robertson impression. That'd be hilarious.

Still, I'll give Mochrie a chance. He may surprise me.


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'lance
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posted 25 September 2001 01:00 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The movie star and Milosevic were two sides of the same coin.

I did see the clip of Milosevic, and buddy talking about Albanian friends. I dunno, maybe I'm just not disposed to be fair to Finkleman's stuff. So much of what he's done has rubbed me the wrong way that I have a hard time seeing past that.


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posted 25 September 2001 10:51 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn’t like today’s installments. I thought the first episode had promise, but it just seemed to fall flat.
“The market crucified Jesus.”
“Everyone who has a TV is a human being. They should be treated with respect.”
It did have it’s moments. I liked the idea.
The second, ick. I couldn’t care less about relationship stuff. But the Japanese story bugged me. I could of sworn I’ve heard that story before. As it turns out I have. It’s a Jorge Luis Borges story, in case anyone cares. The rendition made it worth watching.
Hmm, the Globe TV critic said this series was uneven. I can see what he means.

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posted 24 July 2003 11:01 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey there Mr. Clock, I think you're right about that Japanese story. I just finished watching the Newsroom movie and at the end one of the writer says, "Say something from one of your books." Then a book is up, a Borges' book with a cover that looks strikingly similar to the one buried in your book pile there in the corner.

Who knew?

So… did anyone else watch Newsroom? What's with the dream sequence thing? Again?


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posted 25 July 2003 05:51 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The blond guy and I caught the tail end of it last night. Last hour, or 45 minutes, something like that, and I'd seen it before.

The dream sequence? Wankity wank wank wank. Need I say more?

Finkleman is funny in fits and starts, but often way too self-indulgent. IMHO.


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