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'lance
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posted 03 May 2002 12:40 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
... it opens today, and while I'm not going to rush out before I've read some reviews, early indications are good. At least, David Edelstein of Slate, whose judgment I usually trust, likes it. (Although, without having seen anything more than the trailers, I know I'll be agreeing with him about the special effects).

Meanwhile, on This Morning, I've just learned that the old TV theme music was inspired by a Charles Mingus piece, "Boogie Stop Shuffle." Kewl!

Edited to add: in the Slate still, Kirsten Dunst has really cute dimples.

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 03 May 2002 12:45 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Coincidentally, (or maybe not so coincidentally) the first teaser for the new Hulk movie (directed by Ang Lee of The Ice Storm and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon fame) was posted on http://www.apple.com/trailers today.

There's also a trailer for the Powerpuff Girls movie


I'm really curious what trailers are playing before Spiderman. Episode II, I presume. Hulk, maybe. Signs, maybe.

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: Victor Von MediaBoy ]


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Trinitty
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posted 03 May 2002 12:46 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm SO excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're going tonight. Gotta buy tickets this lunch hour.


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posted 03 May 2002 05:51 PM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is gonna be Such a great movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm really excited about seeing it. I'll post again after I see it.


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'lance
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posted 03 May 2002 05:54 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Charles Taylor in Salon likes it too. Another good sign.
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posted 05 May 2002 04:43 PM      Profile for Tribute To Our Times   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spiderman was incredibly enjoyable for people who have followed the director's carreer (Sam raimi of Evil Dead 1/2/3 fame). He includes Bruce Campbell, and Sam's brother Ted, in every movie of his. On top of all the in-jokes he includes in his movies, is very good at his job. I thought spiderman was great. It'll never win awards, but that's to be expected.

The super-hero cliches that Sam Raimi included were great.

[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: Tribute To Our Times ]


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posted 05 May 2002 06:36 PM      Profile for rosebuds     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw Spiderman at the early premier last Wednesday. I've loved the Spidey story for as long as I can remember, and it's a fantastic story.

Spidey is the dorky kid in all of us, who needs to make choices about his own purpose and the purpose of his power. Spidey's different from other superheros, in that he isn't automatically GOOD. He struggles with the choices and his decision to be good or evil. While we don't all get bitten by radioactive spiders, there's something that speaks to all of us in his story.

Definately go see this movie! While the action scenes arguably do suspend the laws of physics, they really are fantastic. And as far as I'm concerned, spiders suspend physics in lots of ways, too.

I LOVED IT!


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'lance
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posted 05 May 2002 09:03 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Spidey is the dorky kid in all of us, who needs to make choices about his own purpose and the purpose of his power.

I'm sure that one reason for all the enthusiasm around this movie -- Hollywood's publicity machine aside -- is that so many of the critics, at least male ones, identified with Peter Parker as a kid. Why not? They were probably those same dorks, too. I certainly was (though some would quibble with the verb tense in that clause).

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Definately go see this movie! While the action scenes arguably do suspend the laws of physics, they really are fantastic. And as far as I'm concerned, spiders suspend physics in lots of ways, too.

As I understand it, scientists and engineers still haven't been able to come up with an analogue of spider silk, despite strenuous efforts. Its tensile strength, relative to its thickness, is somewhere way off the scale. A nice corrective to human arrogance, is this kind of thing.


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posted 05 May 2002 11:34 PM      Profile for The Double Agent   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I loved the film! Witty, smart, visually crafty and entertaining.

Check out www.otl.20m.com.

It won't cost you $12.50 like Spider-Man, but the site is in desparate need for a Superhero.


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posted 06 May 2002 04:19 AM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Damn, that movie rocked! I'm a long-time spidey fan and I was just creaming my jeans through the whole thing.

Having said that, there are quibbles I could make (nerdy peter suddenly trounces the school bully displaying superhuman strength and agility and the only reaction is "you are a freak, parker". Not "how in god's name did he do that?") but they seem petty.

One thing I can't overlook, however, is MJ's character, who is transformed from smart, fiesty sexpot into vapid, pathetic, object-of-abuse. She hardly exists except for peter to moon over and feel sorry for. The "heartrending" scenes between them were so poorly written and unconvincing that they were excrutiating to watch. A terrible waste of the lovely Kirsten (who is cute in more than just dimples).

But then, dialouge was not the focus of the movie. The action, on the other hand, was fan-friggin'-tastic! Laws of physics, you say? Superheroes don't need no stinkin' laws of physics! Watching Spidey spin his stuff in live action was so satisfying I could barely contain myself. The scene where he learns to swing on his webs was sheer pleasure (can you tell I've imagined this many times?). I've been waiting so long for special effects to reach this point.

Thank god some miserable hack of a director with no appreciation for the things that make Spider-man cool didn't get his or her paws on this film (yeah Cameron, I'm talkin' to you). The acheivements of forty years of comic books are not to be ignored. Apparently the movie has made over $100 million dollars in it's first weekend (trouncing previous records) so the sequel should be well-funded. Hopefully we'll have even better Spidey action (and a much better script -where's that sense of humour that we all love?).

SPIDEY ROCKS!!


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posted 06 May 2002 05:14 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spiderman, Spiderman
Uses the washroom like any man
Does he poop?
Does he pee?
Does he use toilet paper
Like you and me
And after that does he wash his ha-ands
That friendly neighborhood Spiderma-an.

[ May 06, 2002: Message edited by: vaudree ]


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 06 May 2002 05:16 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So what trailers played before the movie?
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Trinitty
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posted 06 May 2002 05:18 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No Hulk Trailer, no Clones Trailer.
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posted 06 May 2002 05:23 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The movie was highly rated on one of the French TV channels today.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 06 May 2002 05:25 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trin: Drat. What trailers DID play before the movie though?
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posted 07 May 2002 10:23 AM      Profile for rob.leblanc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Didn't see it yet
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Trinitty
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posted 07 May 2002 10:49 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Austin Powers three, some stupid Fast and Furious type one, and I can't recall the other two.
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posted 07 May 2002 07:59 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw "Spiderman" last Saturday, with two of my daughters.

Three thumbs up.

I thought they did well by not falling into the trap of allowing run away special effects to obliterate the story.

It's a story a lot of people have liked over the years, and maybe like Peter Jackson, this director decided to trust in that, and put it up on the screen.

I thought the acting, dialogue and cinematography even to at times artful, with fond rememberances of J.K. Simmons' protrayal of Jameson.

"You're wife's on line two.."

"Click"


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posted 09 May 2002 10:41 AM      Profile for rob.leblanc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I still have not seen the movie yet, but my friend, who is a BIG fan of Sam Raimi (the director Army of Darkness and the rest of the Evil Dead series). He says that Ash's car that is in the evil dead movies is Uncle Ben's car. I haven't seen Army of Darkness or any of the others, but apparently it's a great cult film.
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posted 09 May 2002 10:51 PM      Profile for Trespasser   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found this CBC story interesting:

Professor uses Spider-Man to teach physics.

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A professor at the University of Minnesota is using comic book characters such as Spider-Man and Superman to teach first-year students the fundamentals of physics.

In his class, called "Everything I Know about Science I Learned From Reading Comic Books," physics professor and comic book fan Jim Kakalios examines such issues as the tensile strength of Spidey's webs and the nutritional requirements of the Flash.

"Rather than presenting the physics as it's normally done in a traditional course, we introduce it as we need it to address problems" that present themselves in comic books, Kakalios says.



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posted 10 May 2002 11:43 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I heard this prof interviewed on As It Happens (in fact, the (heh, heh) web story seems to be just a paraphrase of the interview).

I was intrigued by his point that up to, say, the 1940s or so, comic-book heroes (and villains) often acquired their powers through magic, or in some "exotic, remote" locale -- central Africa, maybe, or an isolated corner of Asia. But with greater ease of travel, the idea of unexplored parts of the world, where mysteries might lurk, lost credibility. So comic-book writers turned to the use and misuse of science.


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posted 10 May 2002 10:06 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember reading an interview with Stan Lee on the characters he created in the sixties. He said that at the time, nuclear science and radiation seemed like a magical thing to the public. Few knew what it was about except that it was very powerful and potentially dangerous. It was the perfect device for super-powers.

Peter Parker gets bitten by a radioactive spider and becomes Spider-man; Bruce Banner is caught in the blast of a gamma bomb and becomes the Hulk; Matt Murdock (why do all these people have alliterative names?) takes a blow to the head from "radioactive material" and becomes Daredevil.

Most interesting of all was the X-men, who in earlier episodes were explained as genetic mutations from the prevalence of radiation in the modern world. Later this was re-explained as a natural leap in evolution rather than a man-made phenomenon.


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Well I just saw the movie, it was fun. I agree the simpering turn for MJ was not the best. Also, the romantic dialogue was el-lame-o. I thought Toby (Tobey?) was pretty good for the part, because Peter Parker is a bit featureless and non-descript, just like him. Boy is Willem Dafoe looking like crap. Mega-crap. His whole face is scarily angular and harsh. He was a good Goblin, though. Daily Bugle editor Jameson was really well played. "Harry" was pretty lame, though, I thought. I guess they need a sequel.

I forgot why I didn't read Spider-Man too much. All those massive guilt trips with Aunt May and Uncle Ben.

I was a tad disappointed in the special effects, I thought I would be more wowed by them than I was, given the build-up. Computer effects are still maturing. But they haven't gotten over that flat look. Also, there's a qualitative difference between digital effects and old-style effects. Old-style effects used the power of suggestion, so that the imagination filled in what was unexpressed. When successful, this is very powerful. Computer effects aim for verisimiltude. Even when completely successful, it's not necessarily more satisfying.

So... no WTC. Apparently edited out, completely.

I am kind of alienated from mass culture these days. What mainly struck me about the trailers is that they were all the same, except for the preview of some movie from Australia which looked really, really, really bad. They were so much the same I can't remember a single one of them. As we know from ancient Rome, when civilizations decline, the disaffection of the citizens is absorbed by ever more spectacular, violent, and debauched entertainment. When titillation maxes out, the shit hits the fan.

The other thing is how little there is in these movies, besides the excitement. I mean there's nothing that unfolds in your mind afterwards, there's nothing to savour. It's all pretty thin.


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posted 12 May 2002 04:17 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS, in the comic book, did not Spidey have to invent his web-shooters? Did they decide it was more "realistic" to have web-glands suddenly sprout in just the best possible place?
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posted 05 June 2002 03:56 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was amused by this Slate piece on Spiderman, "Sex and the Single Superhero." (Contains spoilers, yadda yadda).

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PS, in the comic book, did not Spidey have to invent his web-shooters? Did they decide it was more "realistic" to have web-glands suddenly sprout in just the best possible place?

He did, yes. Beats me why they made this change.

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So... no WTC. Apparently edited out, completely.

I recall reading last September that the WTC didn't figure in the movie in the first place, but some of the promotional posters featured Spiderman swinging between the towers, so they had to be changed. Seems unlikely it would never even have appeared in a movie shot among the towers of New York, though.


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quote:
PS, in the comic book, did not Spidey have to invent his web-shooters? Did they decide it was more "realistic" to have web-glands suddenly sprout in just the best possible place?


The filmmakers decided that they didn't like the idea of a teenaged kid inventing something that sophisticated, and being able to get his hands on the chemicals he'd need to refill the devices, especially considering how little money he has.

That change doesn't bug me as much as the LOUSY portrayal of Mary Jane Watson. She's way cooler in the comic books.

The trailer for the upcoming Hulk movie ran before Attack of the Clones. It's a friggin' good trailer.

[ June 05, 2002: Message edited by: Victor Von MediaBoy ]


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posted 05 June 2002 06:32 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And THAT change didn't bug me as much as the mooshing together of Gwen and MJ. They shoud've kept the entire Gwen story, IMO, and killed her on the bridge and left MJ for the next film. Gives the relationship between Spidey and GG WAY more punch at the climax. The whole "I can't love you, you'll die" came across as farcical over-reaction because nobody actually died as a result of their relationship with him.

I liked the attempt to make the story about a boy and a girl, though. I loved the romantic escapades of Spiderman when I was a lad, and the movie took me right back to the torments of my own simpler days. Quite powerful.


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That's it I'm going to see it tonight.
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