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WackAVole
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posted 02 May 2005 02:21 AM      Profile for WackAVole   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just completed my first month without TV. Did I miss anything?

Has anyone else given it up 100% ?
Do you feel alone and isolated too?
How many times do you watch the same DVDs, over and over and over?

Is it a moral outrage to download TV shows from the net? Should I send some money to the networks? Or maybe you can just tell me who is advertising on some of my favorite downloaded shows and I can buy some of their useful products.


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Anchoress
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posted 02 May 2005 02:32 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I gave up TV in August, 1996. It was actually really difficult, I had a definite period of adjustment.

I can't claim to be 100% TV-free though, my dad tapes a few shows for me.


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posted 02 May 2005 03:14 AM      Profile for peppermint     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was mostly TV free in university and now its mostly just background noise for my apartment. I've developed a strange addiction to the discovery channel though. .
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maestro
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posted 02 May 2005 06:25 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I haven't had a TV for many years, although because I play in bars, I end up watching TV there.

I don't miss it at all.

However, one thing I notice is that it won't leave me alone.

Even though I watch TV for limited periods in the bar, I still seem to know everything there is to know about all the shows. It is so pervasive in popular culture that you can't escape even if you want to.


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smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited
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posted 02 May 2005 08:06 AM      Profile for smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I moved back in with my folks after 3 years at university with no tv. I was surprised at how easy it was to kill 3 or 4 hours vegging in front of the set.

(Though most of that time was spent flipping between channels & I couldn't report having seen any full shows.)

Having moved out again I'm TVless once more & find that I'm less ADD. The one thing I miss is something to do at the end of the day when I'm really tired & need to relax. I do resort to DVDs now & again, as well as downloaded sketches of SNL. Sometimes I use fiction to fill that time, that is when I'm not completely knackered.

I feel physically & mentally healthier without a telly. What do others do to fill their previous tv time?


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posted 02 May 2005 08:44 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I haven't had cable for a long time, although I do watch television when I visit my mother one weekend a month. I don't miss it, although every once in a while a show will come on that I'll want to catch like The Hour, or a hockey game (remember those?), or some kind of special on Newsworld, and I'll think, drat, no cable. But I get over it.

I have cable internet, and for a few months I decided to get the most basic cable television along with it since it only adds on about 10 or 11 dollars a month. But then I found that even WITH cable, I never watched television. So I cancelled it and I've been without it ever since, except for four channels which they can't block when you have cable internet. When my son is here, one of those channels (PBS) comes in handy, but I never watch it myself.

I think if I lived with someone, whether a roommate or a partner, I might watch more television as kind of a social thing.

What do I do with my former TV watching time? That's easy - internet. So, for me at least, there really isn't all that much virtue in turning off the TV. I tell myself that online news and information and discussion is more interactive than television, but while it's engaging the brain, it's still sitting in a chair in front of a screen for long periods of time, and it's just as addictive as television.


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Igor the Miserable
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posted 02 May 2005 09:02 PM      Profile for Igor the Miserable   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You didn't miss a thing, Wack.

I gave up on TV in 2001 and haven't looked back. Still have a set mind you, but I just use it to watch movies. I will download the occasional mental popcorn show off the net (e.g., Sopranos, 6ft and Queer Eye) - at least I can watch it when I like, and not have to suffer through the commercials. For me, it's been about being able to control my consumption - I know I lack will power, and this way TV viewing becomes purposeful act rather than something that just gets clicked on as soon as I'm finished work.

Four years on and I still can't believe the amount extra time I seem to have compared to other people I know. They all complain about being tired, not having time for themselves etc., but they all spend 3 hours in front of the box every night, staring at shit they've already watched (and didn't laugh at the first time).

How to I spend my reclaimed TV time? I read quite a bit, and I cook a big meal from scratch just about every night - I'm eating better now than I ever have in my life.

All in all, I think unplugging the tube is one of the the best decisions I've ever made. If you're considering it, take the plunge! The first couple weeks will seem strange, but once you get into it you'll never go back.


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Granola Girl
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posted 02 May 2005 09:17 PM      Profile for Granola Girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I haven't watched TV since 1999 and almost all of my body hair is growing back nicely.

I don't miss it at all - even when stuck at a party where everyone talks about reality tv all night long. Then I just turn my nose up slightly and say in a chilling tone: "Oh - I don't watch television."

I end up watching movies and surfing the net in my spare time - which I think is at least more active than sucking in all that corporate propaganda.

On the other hand, it's easier to be an anti-tv snob now that my son is older and reads and plays video games more. When he was younger I would never have been able to sleep in or have an hour's peace without it. (TV as babysitter - me culpa).

[ 02 May 2005: Message edited by: Granola Girl ]


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K Connor
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posted 02 May 2005 11:23 PM      Profile for K Connor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watch DVDs? Wouldn't I need a TV for that? Well, I suppose I could buy a DVD drive, but why bother? Movies are hugely overrated too. The extra time? Reading, cooking, biking, gardening, oh and, of course, Internet.
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posted 03 May 2005 12:37 AM      Profile for Surferosad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Man, this place sounds like AA... Sorry TV Anonymous!

Hi, my name is Dan, and I'm a TVholic. I've been without TV for 4 years now...

I still watch DVDs occasionally.

[ 03 May 2005: Message edited by: Surferosad ]


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maestro
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posted 03 May 2005 04:54 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a tv story for ya...

Once upon a time I was an installer of built-in vacuum cleaners. Often I installed them in existing houses (in other words, not new construction).

I was installing a vac in a home that had a handful of teenage kids hanging around. There was constant bickering going on between the mom and the kids and between the kids.

However, after listening to this constant background hassle for a couple of hours, some tv show came on, and the whole works trooped into the living room to watch.

From then on was complete silence, except for the tv. It was some cheesy sitcom, which wasn't funny. No one laughed at the jokes, but they didn't have to, the tv laughed for them.

I noticed this 'cause I wasn't watching the tv, I was only listening.

I realized then how serious a destroyer of imagination tv is, when the watcher doesn't have to respond in any way. Even audience 'reaction' is part of the show.

Wasn't it Marshall Mcluhan who said, 'every tv sold should have a big sticker on the screen that says "Why can't children think ahead?"


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 03 May 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why is it the elimination of TV from peoples lives so laden with a feeling of moral superiority? Most people are aware that commercial TV, by and large, is unredeemable dreck. Most also, unfathomably, manage to control the amount of crap they watch. So quotes like this make me cringe:

quote:
Then I just turn my nose up slightly and say in a chilling tone: "Oh - I don't watch television."

and I can't help but envision an ultra-aggressive vegan, or strident born-again Xian.

And, of course:

quote:
I end up watching movies and surfing the net in my spare time - which I think is at least more active than sucking in all that corporate propaganda.

movies and the web (indeed, especially not progressive sites) don't have even the slightest hint of corporate content.


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posted 03 May 2005 11:05 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
remote control over the masses/
co-sponsored by enironmentally safe gases/
watch for the PBS special

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Surferosad
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posted 03 May 2005 11:08 AM      Profile for Surferosad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I used to love TV... Even some of the shittier shows. But I've become commercial intolerant. I can't stand the constant passage from, I dunno, dead serious scary news or drama or whatever to car and soap commercials. Also, TV was bad when i used to watch it, but all the "reality" TV crap has made it infinitely worse, imo. Now a lot of TV shows are based on pure exploitation of people's worse instincts.

[ 03 May 2005: Message edited by: Surferosad ]


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posted 03 May 2005 11:15 AM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's a good point - sure most TV is awful. Most films are awful too. And a cursory glance at the bestseller list should disabuse us of the notion that books are any better, quality and ideology-wise. And hey, lookee at the top left of this very screen - is that corporate advertising I see there? Click on the link and wallow in the awfulness there.

The key is to be a conscious, critical consumer of ALL media, not to categorically dismiss certain media as inferior. I have no trouble letting my daughter watch some TV, but I am pretty concientious about pro-actively re-programming her when she watches commercial TV. Sometimes those ads can spark some interesting discussions.


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venus_man
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posted 03 May 2005 11:40 AM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Surferosad:
... Now a lot of TV shows are based on pure exploitation of people's worse instincts.

Well said Surferosad.

If i get to watch TV these days (which happens rarely) that would be mainly for the news, or to re-view shows like Sienfield or an occasional Friends episode.


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posted 03 May 2005 11:48 AM      Profile for smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I feel like TV is the alcohol/cigarette that we've all grown up using without the choice not to consume. That may be why many people in their responses are patting themselves on the back for becoming tv-free. You really have to struggle & go against the grain to get yourself into that situation, & to maintain it.

I know there is excellent programming that I may miss b/c I don't have a tv. Whatever I miss is a tiny loss compared to the vegetable tv had made me.

This may be my experience alone, but without tv I find I have more time, am able to be more patient with the world, & express fewer attention deficit symptoms. Someone was asking - when I watch DVDs, I do it on my laptop.


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posted 03 May 2005 11:51 AM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dollars to donuts there's a relationship between people with a morally superior attitude about TV and those frustrated by such an inferior technical sense that they've quit trying to figure out how to program a VCR's recorder function. And since VCR's can automatically blank over ads, it must be doubly frustrating!

Put enough monkeys in a room with remotes...

[ 03 May 2005: Message edited by: bittersweet ]


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posted 03 May 2005 12:00 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So what's the difference? You're still sitting in front of a box. Why is one choice morally superior to another?
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posted 03 May 2005 12:12 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because certain people, when they break a habit, need to have the broken pieces framed to show to others.

I think television, no matter how much Masterpiece Theatre it supplies, will always be seen as the "lowbrow" or "anti-intellectual" diversion.

Books may be cheap, but they require effort on the part of the consumer, and if it requires effort then it must be better.

Popping in a CD is easy enough, but if you can make just about any kind of comment, like "I can hear the African inspiration in that bass line" then you're not just mindlessly listening, you're an afficionado. Especially with classical, jazz, rap or old rock.

Watching a movie is sort of like television, but again it requires a certain effort. If you can augment that, perhaps by choosing only to see subtitled movies, then you can save face. Also, don't ever call a movie a movie. It's "the cinema", or "film". Movies are for rednecks, and feature car chases. Films are dark and meaningful and feature your favourite stars working for half fee. Cinema is in black and white, must be subtitled, and should ideally feature at least one transexual cowboy dealing with his father's suicide while trying to raise a 17 year old boy with a cocaine habit. Don't ever confuse these.

And then there's TV. It's free, it asks nothing of you (except perhaps that you look at an ad for a mop instead of getting up to pee), and people especially those unwashed masses seem to like it. It's an obvious target for the snobs.


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posted 03 May 2005 01:08 PM      Profile for Surferosad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Magoo, I don't how what's the condition of your bladder, but I don't need to get up for 15 (or is it 18) minutes for every hour. "We now interrupt these commercials to bring you this show".

I still watch TV, but now I rent shows on DVD. No commercials, and I can watch what i want when I feel like it.


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posted 03 May 2005 04:14 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Television, The Drug Of The Nation

quote:
One nation
under God
has turned into
one nation under the influence
of one drug
[chorus:]
Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
(2x)
T.V., it
satellite links
our United States of Unconsciousness
Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive
The methadone metronome pumping out
150 channels 24 hours a day
you can flip through all of them
and still there's nothing worth watching
T.V. is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our
Nation reads books daily
Why most people think Central Amerika
means Kansas
Socialism means unamerican
and Apartheid is a new headache remedy
absorbed in it's world it's so hard to find us
It shapes our mind the most
maybe the mother of our Nation
should remind us
that we're sitting too close to...
[Chorus:]
Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
(2x)
T.V. is
the stomping ground for political candidates
Where bears in the woods
are chased by Grecian Formula'd
bald eagles
T.V. is mechanized politic's
remote control over the masses
co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases
watch for the PBS special
It's the perpetuation of the two party system
where image takes precedence over wisdom
Where sound bite politics are served to
the fastfood culture
Where straight teeth in your mouth
are more important than the words
that come out of it
Race baiting is the way to get selected
Willie Horton or
Will he not get elected on...
[Chorus:]
Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
(2x)
T.V., is it the reflector or the director ?
Does it imitate us
or do we imitate it

because a child watches 1500 murders before he's
twelve years old and we wonder why we've created
a Jason generation that learns to laugh
rather than to abhor the horror
T.V. is the place where
armchair generals and quarterbacks can
experience first hand
the excitement of warfare
as the theme song is sung in the background
Sugar sweet sitcoms
that leave us with a bad actor taste while
pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars
You saw the video
You heard the soundtrack
Well now go buy the soft drink
Well, the only cola that I support
would be a union C.O.L.A.(Cost Of Living Allowance)
On television
[Chorus:]
Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
(2x)
Back again, 'New and improved'
We return to our irregularly programmed schedule
hidden cleverly between heavy breasted
beer and car commercials
CNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S.
Where oxymoronic language like
'virtually spotless', 'fresh frozen'
'light yet filling' and 'military intelligence'
have become standard
T.V. is the place where phrases are redefined
like 'recession' to 'necessary downturn'
'Crude oil' on a beach to 'mousse'
'Civilian death' to 'collateral damages'
and being killed by your own Army
is now called 'friendly fire'
T.V. is the place where the pursuit
of happiness has become the pursuit of
trivia
Where toothpaste and cars have become
sex objects
Where imagination is sucked out of children
by a cathode ray nipple
T.V. is the only wet nurse
that would create a cripple
[Chorus:]
Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
(4x)

Just realized WW also linked to this tune. Oh well...

[ 03 May 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 03 May 2005 07:55 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everything in moderation.

On May 19th, I'm going to sit down and watch the two hours episode of CSI:Los Vegas, directed by Quentin Tarantino.

On another forum, someone bragged that they had gotten rid of their T.V., and another poster said: "The CIA wanted you to do that."

I thought it was quite funny.


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Granola Girl
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posted 03 May 2005 08:24 PM      Profile for Granola Girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh for crying out loud. I was just trying to be funny. I sometime forget that people can't read your body language or tone of voice online.

I know that there's corporate propaganda everywhere, even when I ride the bus, but I think the amount of the stuff on tv is excessive when compared to other kinds of media (and forceful - I can still remember tv commercials from when I was 6 - not something I can say of print commercials.) And at least when you watch movies you have to put some critical choice into it (like arguing with your parnter for half an hour in the video store about whihc movie to watch) - unlike tv where there's always the option to just turn it on and channel surf - something I used to do lots off before I got rid of the darn thing.

And there are times I miss tv, too. For instance, tonight, if I want to watch the big BC election debate, I'm going to have to do it at a neighbour's house.

[ 03 May 2005: Message edited by: Granola Girl ]


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posted 04 May 2005 12:36 AM      Profile for WackAVole   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Channel surfing is addicting. It is my crack cocaine of vegetation. 2 years ago I was just watching annetenna TV and I got a roommate who brought cable into the house. I swore at him many times as I surfed 50 channels with nothing on: "damn you for bringing cable into this house but I just can't stop". If course, after saying that I'd come to my senses and switch addictions.

That said, I still love some shows. Mostly these days I only watch comedies. I love to laugh and after a day of life on crappy planet its a great way to relax. I downloaded the new Family Guy last night and didnt' regret it. Was also very happy to see many pointed left wing political comments on the Fox network - (including Brian now driving a Prius - perhaps the first animated Prius).

Good TV is art. There are shows that teach life lessons. There are shows that are just too powerful to sit through. "Homocide", IMO, was the greatest ever produced. I had to stop watching it because it was so draining. That is one of the reasons I stick to comedies now. If entertainment gets me down, it isn't really entertainment anymore.

I miss my comedies and I'll probably download the ones I want to keep seeing. I hope to get Sopranos sometime too as it is the only drama I watch anymore.

What I hate about TV:
I hate those little ad bugs in the corner of the screens, longer commerical breaks, and now, even ads over top of the programs.

Reality TV is garbage of course. It has crossed into being actual "news". Talk about a national distraction. ABC News, for sweeps week is doing a revealing story on "America Idol" contestants...ooooohhhhh, a much more important story than Darfur, legistrated religious discrimination, rising cost of health care,...

Instead of watching TV these days, I work more and I clean my house more. hmmmm....maybe I should get out more


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TV was my babysitter as a kid. I got rid of it in 1995, and can't even tolerate a housemate having it unless it is in their privae room. These things just have a way of taking over valuable space and time, transforming what could have been exciting conversations and projects into hypnotic concumerist atmospheres.
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Ah, you Canadians... this conversation would be very different if you were as privileged as we are here in Australia in having a TV station like SBS. It started out as the "multicultural" broadcaster, but has built on that to become a Pandora's Box of the bizarre, the intriguing and the thought-provoking. SBS encourages new film makers, shows news that is balanced both in viewpoint and tone, and boldly broadcasts "racier" content than the homogenised mainstream stations would ever dare, and in 60 different languages to boot. All praise the deity of your personal inclination for SBS!

A Canadian friend said to me recently that we Australians live in a socialist paradise. I think he may have been right... SBS is government funded.


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posted 18 May 2005 09:13 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My first exposure ever to TV I still remember - watching Percy Saltzman do the weather on CBC in 1954, then something called "Uncle Chichimus". A bit later on came "The Honeymooners", and a truly awful show called "Howdy Doody". I *much* preferred "Ed Sullivan" and then "Bonanza".
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quote:
Originally posted by Suzette:
Ah, you Canadians... this conversation would be very different if you were as privileged as we are here in Australia in having a TV station like SBS.

Ah, it would be helpful if I could just tune the dang TV antennae... I miss having cable/satellite TV just because I cannot tune the TV antennae to pick up more than two stations at once. And pf those two stations, it's never both ABC and SBS, which are about the only palatable stations, methinks.

ABC for Parkinson and Doctor Who. SBS for everything Suzette said. But I miss TLC, FoodTV, A&E - probably because there's too much cricket and footie on TV here. Mind, I bought the TV to play video games, not watch TV.


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posted 18 May 2005 10:18 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't have a TV at all.

I do, however, have a computer with a DVD drive, and I have the first four seasons of Trailer Park Boys on DVD. I've also found that one of the local libraries has a decent selection of movies on DVD, so every so often I'll pick one up and watch it. But really, I don't watch that often; I usually waste time on the net instead.


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quote:
T.V. is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our
Nation reads books daily
Why most people think Central Amerika
means Kansas
Socialism means unamerican

So socialism never took off in America becuase of television? Gimme a break. Sure, TV might promote a broadly anti-socialist view, but in the abscence of television, that view would likely just be taken up by books, newspapers and magazines.

quote:
Race baiting is the way to get selected

Yep, you can't race-bait with books, magazines or speeches, can you? How did the Klan ever manage to get itself off the ground back in 1865, without the benefit of television?

quote:
because a child watches 1500 murders before he's
twelve years old and we wonder why we've created
a Jason generation that learns to laugh
rather than to abhor the horror

Yeah, laughing at something horrible is the same thing as thinking that it's okay, right? Take that, Alfred Hitchcock!! Et tu, Voltaire!

quote:
armchair generals and quarterbacks can
experience first hand
the excitement of warfare

It's also the place where you can see photographic evidence of the horrors of war. As I recall, Michael Moore used a similar tactic in F9-11, showing footage of Iraqi war casualties.

Of course, TV can be subject to military censorship, but that's not an inherent fault of the medium itself. Print journalism can be subject to the same restrictions.

quote:
You heard the soundtrack
Well now go buy the soft drink
Well, the only cola that I support
would be a union C.O.L.A.(Cost Of Living Allowance)

This one's my personal favourite. Because I first learned about COLAs from watching an episode of All In The Family. And since I was about ten years old at the time, it's not likely that I would've stumbled accross that information by reading an economics textbook.

[ 18 May 2005: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


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Over the past 4 years, I've only had TV for about year. Truthfully, I'm too cheap to spend the money for only 3 or 4 shows a month.

I don't miss it much, expect for hockey and football. I download TV shows, mostly Nova and the like. I don't think it's a moral outrage to download TV shows. I just wish someone would make it so I don't have to enter a legally grey area.

I don't think people should be overly proud that they don't have TV, any more then people should be proud that they don't listen to a certain type of music. It's important to take into account that most people do watch TV. If you aren't at least aware of TV you'll be pretty out of touch with most of the population.


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quote:
Originally posted by ouroboros:
I don't think people should be overly proud that they don't have TV, any more then people should be proud that they don't listen to a certain type of music. It's important to take into account that most people do watch TV. If you aren't at least aware of TV you'll be pretty out of touch with most of the population.[/QB]

Proud? No. Out of touch? Absolutely not. I last had a TV when I lived in the barracks at Fort Bliss, Texas, in 1969. That's 36 years ago, for the mathematically challenged. I will gladly - repeat, gladly - go head to head with anybody who has had TV in those years on any competition of substance. No, I don't know the names or plot lines of TV shows of the 1980s or '90s. So who does? Who cares? I know a great deal about the geopolitics of those decades, about the patterns of thought and public policy. It is a pernicious myth that one needs TV to be au courant.

I worked in media relations for 15 years for a very large Canadian public institution. Never once did I watch TV or see myself on TV. I was the better for it. Television is an utterly visual medium (no surprise) devoid of content and abysmally easy to manipulate if you understand it. I know it. I used it. I loathe it.


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I like television. We tape the CSI shows, Outer Limits, Movies, PBS Mystery and a few others and watch them 'sans' commercials. The only other TV I watch are news channels. I flip on CNN first thing in the morning and will often have CBC Newsworld or Radio Canada on in the background almost as a radio. Oh yeah, if I'm in the mood I'll watch Jeopardy.

I went through my high school years in Europe and never had a television or telephone. I don't recall missing either. In my 3rd year of university in Quebec I bought a 12" B&W TV at Eaton's for $129 (rent was $85$/month). I used to watch English language television to improve my comprehension of the language. My wife did the same to get a better ear for French. She would watch French children's shows.

I don't see how anyone can 'loathe TV' anymore than one can loaths books, music, radio, magazines, etc.

Sure some TV is 'mindless' but so is a bottle of beer, an ice cream cone, a rock song or other pleasures. We're humans, not robots.


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quote:
Originally posted by sub lite:

Ah, it would be helpful if I could just tune the dang TV antennae... I miss having cable/satellite TV just because I cannot tune the TV antennae to pick up more than two stations at once. And pf those two stations, it's never both ABC and SBS, which are about the only palatable stations, methinks.



SBS is often a problem to tune in to, isn't it? I find it comes much more easily via a VCR, even an old crappy one which won't play tapes. Alternatively, a coil of coaxial cable hung on the wall works a treat, too. (but only if you attach the other end to the telly)

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