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Geneva
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posted 24 June 2007 02:20 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the top football star of both England and France becomes overnight the top football star of Spain

for those who do not follow soccer, don't worry,
this is just about the single most-discussed news story in the world this weekend:

in France:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2007/20070622_200558Dev.html

in Britain:
http://tinyurl.com/yr6ffa

in Brasil:
http://oglobo.globo.com/esportes/mat/2007/06/22/296471023.asp

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posted 24 June 2007 07:03 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bombshell? Hardly. So what. A louse in England's fourth- or fifth-rated team gets traded to a lousy Spanish club. I wonder if he'll trip over the runway line?

Not even football fans (of which I am one) think this is unexpected, or a big deal.


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posted 24 June 2007 07:13 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
Bombshell? Hardly. So what. A louse in England's fourth- or fifth-rated team gets traded to a lousy Spanish club. I wonder if he'll trip over the runway line?

Do you ever talk a lot of shit.


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posted 24 June 2007 11:48 PM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
thanks, 500 Apples,
uh well, where do you start??

living in France I can confirm Henry is in fact the biggest football star in this country, and shone regularly at 2 recent World Cups (not 2002, and albeit in the shadow of the great, retired Zidane)

as for the UK, obviously Arsenal is top-4 Premiership year in year out, with scarcely a hair separating those top 4 teams, and he has been the Gunners sparkplug (226 goals !! ) since 1999

finally, Barcelona is, well, Barcelona

as for his character, Henry is in fact an exceedingly nice guy -- one who hesitates to over-celebrate his (many) goals, preferring to return and congratulate his midfielders and defenders who did the work getting the ball into the zone

in Canadian terms: not quite Gretzky, but surely Yzerman or Sakic

next!!

today:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070624.wspthenr ynew24/BNStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home/

Henry leaves the English Premier League club as Arsenal's most prolific scorer, with 226 goals in 364 appearances. Henry helped the north London team to two Premier League titles, three FA Cups and the 2006 UEFA Champions League final, where it lost to Barcelona.
Though Henry spent much of last season sidelined because of stomach and groin injuries, he remains one of the game's biggest stars with his ability to score quality goals and beat defences.
Henry led the Premier League in scoring four times and was Europe's top goalscorer twice.

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posted 25 June 2007 05:30 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, 500_Apples. Classy.

Henry has never performed at a World Cup (he's only played in two, so I don't see how he could have "shone regularly at 2 recent World Cups" but not at 2002), European Cup, Champions League or anywhere else except at the league level, and Arsenal have demonstrated that they cannot compete with Chelsea, ManU, or even Liverpool.

He's a good player, but he's not the grade of player of Yzerman or Sakic because you can't build a team around him. He's more of a Pavel Bure. He will never pass if he's goalside, even if a teammate has a sure chance.

He is not the "top football star" in England (Wayne Rooney? David Beckham? Cristiano Ronaldo? Didier Drogba? Steven Gerrard? Crickey.) and he will never be the top football star in Spain. I don't even know where to begin with that statement.

And, finally, like I said, everyone knew this was going to happen. It's not a bombshell. I can't speak for France but to say that " this is just the single most-discussed news story in the world at the moment" is patently absurd.

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posted 25 June 2007 05:43 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
let's start with your major error,
then move on to more numerous errors of judgement:

Thierry Henry indeed played in 3 World Cups, WINNING the thing w France in 1998:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/23/sports/EU-SPT-SOC-Henry-Career.php
...when the was the TOP SCORER for Cup-winning France!

oh yeah, forgot winning the Euro w France as well, in 2000; let's look at that season a second:

2000 Leads Arsenal to the UEFA Cup final, where it loses on penalty kicks to Turkish club Galatasaray. Finishes season with 17 goals in 31 games. Scores three in five games for France at the European Championships before France beats Italy 2-1 in the final for its second European Championship honor.

not bad

you accept my point about him being a top football star in England, by ranking him w. just 4-5 others;
now, most will rank his skill level today well above Beckham, and as a more complete player than Rooney, but you still have a VERY small group of stars who are his peers and comparators; for me, I would take Henry among them as best

as for the rest, whaddya gonna say: Arsenal is not a top top team??
-- Sheesh, all they did was go to the Champions League final one year ago, losing by a single goal.

and yes, on 2nd thought, Yzerman is a very good NHL/Team Canada parallel -- superb team player and gracious to boot

why you are hostile to such a player, no idea, but that reminds me about his graciousness -- a very nice quality in people


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posted 25 June 2007 06:13 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm...I didn't remember him in '98. My apologies.

I remain convinced that as Arsenal's star player, he never produced when he needed to, even when Arsenal had a team that was great, and certainly in all international competitions for France since 2000. I also don't have much respect for the Champion's league these days, as it is becoming increasingly obvious that the only teams that can do well are those that can't compete in their domestic leagues. Even with that, Henry never brought the game he showed in the domestic leagues to the higher competitions. And he is certainly not the best player in the Premiership, although when he is on, he can be a delight to watch.

It's not that I don't think Henry is a good player, as you say, 226 goals speak for themselves, it's just that calling this trade a "bombshell" is highly inaccurate and terrible hyperbole.

I maintain that he is more of a Pavel Bure type: a great scoring touch, but a playmaker he is not. He is a respectful player though, so perhaps I could have toned down my rhetoric.


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posted 25 June 2007 06:30 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, well, maybe we agree more than we thought;

(then again, maybe Pavel Bure is underrated; two 60-goal seasons with FLORIDA ?? not bad. and
without those injuries maybe a 700-goal scorer, same as for my man Mike Bossy)


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