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Erik Redburn
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posted 20 October 2007 01:10 AM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Can't believe there hasn't been a Babble hockey pool drawn yet for this NHL season. Anyone care to make any brave new predictions?

I don't watch as much as I used to but looks to be some major changes from last year. First place Buffalo lost both their top centres, without replacement (yet) with the Flyers and NY Rangers grabbing them and others. Colorado seems to be back a ways picking up Ryan Smyth from the Islanders, who could be sinking back to joke status again, even Without Mike Milbury as GM. What else?

The young Pens look to keep improving, but the aging Brodeur might not be able to save the Devils this year. The Orca Bay Canucks stood pat again and will probably pay the price if they don't get another goal scorer soon, but then again Ottawa did little but lose a couple more players and they're off to another fast start. (oh ya, it's a long ways from the playoffs still...) With the Ducks still waiting on Selanne and Niedermayer, Detroit may be the class of the West this season. Maybe.

Anyhow, the season's a couple weeks in now but still too early to make any definitive predictions as always slow starters who gain strength (hello Jersey) and fast starters who fade (goodbye Montreal) so should be fair to pick em for another week or so, I think. I don't think the $takes have gone any higher than last year, even with the cost of inflation, but I'll make my own picks tomorrow, as I always like to give others a chance to go first....

Go.

[ 20 October 2007: Message edited by: EriKtheHalfaRed ]


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posted 20 October 2007 01:23 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
brave brave prediction: Penguins, like the early 80s Oilers and mid-90s RedWings, are fantastic in the regular season but get bounced again early in the playoffs

still young

Tampa Bay might stil have wind in its sails; one great line CAN do wonders

Detroit still a threat and Zetterberg an upcoming MVP type


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posted 20 October 2007 03:19 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Stanley Cup Final Series 2008 Game 1: Detroit vs Ottawa AT Scotia Bank Arena, Ottawa Ontario

Yes, you heard it here first from the hockey psykic himself


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Only psychik if you pick a team like Vancouver to win it all, Fidel. And they do.

Anyhow, I guess I should add my own picks now. After perusing the Hockey News I ended up more uncertain than ever, as a lot of young teams on the rise but some of them like St.Louis and Washington may not be ready yet, others like Chicago may, and several older teams declining, but some like Dallas may have just enough in them to make the playoffs again. Maybe.

No really bad teams this year but no truly powerful ones either, except perhaps Detroit -if Hasek has another good year left in him that is. Nashville I think will slide all the way out again, but Buffalo should at least squeak into the playoffs somewhere -maybe. If they can pick up another good centre they'll be fine. I hear Alexei Yashin is still available.

Teams like Vancouver or Edmonton could make it too if they ever make the moves they need. Or they could fall apart completely if say a particular star goalie is hurt worse than they're letting on. Toronto and Montreal seem to be suspended in permanent mediocrity, not bad, not good, but I'll give Montreal the slight edge. If only to irritate the Leaf nation.

Anyhow, here's my bets for the year:

WEST
1-Detroit.*
2-SanJose.*
3-Calgary.*
4-Anahiem.
5-Colorado.
6-Minnesota. ?
7-Chicago. ?
8-Dallas. ?
-----------
Edmonton. ?
Vancouver. ?
St.Louis. ?
Nashville. ?
LosAngeles.
Columbus.
Phoenix.

EAST
1-Ottawa.*
2-Pittsburgh.*
3-NYRangers.
4-Philadelphia.
6-Carolina.*
5-Boston. ?
7-Buffalo. ?
8-Montreal. ?
------------
TampaBay. ?
Toronto. ?
Florida. ?
Washington. ?
NewJersey.
NYIslanders.
Atlanta.

[ 20 October 2007: Message edited by: EriKtheHalfaRed ]


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posted 20 October 2007 08:47 PM      Profile for gram swaraj   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Dunno who's going to place where, but Minnesota's got the best looking new jerseys.
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posted 21 October 2007 03:15 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sigh. I'm not playing.
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posted 21 October 2007 03:09 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, I'm going to break one of my rules and say something positive about the falling Leafs. It is still early, and I don't think they're Quite as bad as they look right now. But then I'm one of the optimists who actually thought picking up Toskala and Bell was a good move, don't know why their new G is starting so badly.

Anyhow, see I may have got carried away here. How about just picking who the top four teams from each conference should be instead?

Eastern Conference
ATLANTIC GP W L OT PTS GF GA HOME AWAY L10
PHILADELPHIA 7 6 1 0 12 28 12 4-0-0 2-1-0 6-1-0
NY ISLANDERS 8 5 3 0 10 23 25 3-1-0 2-2-0 5-3-0
PITTSBURGH 7 4 3 0 8 24 24 2-2-0 2-1-0 4-3-0
NEW JERSEY 8 3 4 1 7 21 28 0-0-0 3-4-1 3-4-1
NY RANGERS 7 2 4 1 5 13 16 2-1-0 0-3-1 2-4-1

NORTHEAST GP W L OT PTS GF GA HOME AWAY L10
OTTAWA 9 8 1 0 16 30 18 5-1-0 3-0-0 8-1-0
BOSTON 7 5 2 0 10 20 15 2-0-0 3-2-0 5-2-0
MONTREAL 7 3 2 2 8 18 19 1-1-1 2-1-1 3-2-2
TORONTO 9 3 4 2 8 33 37 3-3-1 0-1-1 3-4-2
BUFFALO 7 3 4 0 6 26 23 3-2-0 0-2-0 3-4-0

SOUTHEAST GP W L OT PTS GF GA HOME AWAY L10
CAROLINA 8 4 1 3 11 26 18 1-0-1 3-1-2 4-1-3
TAMPA BAY 6 4 2 0 8 21 16 4-0-0 0-2-0 4-2-0
WASHINGTON 7 3 4 0 6 14 19 1-2-0 2-2-0 3-4-0
FLORIDA 8 3 5 0 6 18 23 2-1-0 1-4-0 3-5-0
ATLANTA 8 1 7 0 2 16 36 1-3-0 0-4-0 1-7-0

Western Conference
CENTRAL GP W L OT PTS GF GA HOME AWAY L10
DETROIT 9 6 2 1 13 32 24 3-1-0 3-1-1 6-2-1
CHICAGO 8 5 3 0 10 22 19 3-2-0 2-1-0 5-3-0
ST LOUIS 6 4 2 0 8 19 12 2-1-0 2-1-0 4-2-0
COLUMBUS 6 3 2 1 7 15 11 2-0-1 1-2-0 3-2-1
NASHVILLE 7 2 5 0 4 18 24 2-2-0 0-3-0 2-5-0

NORTHWEST GP W L OT PTS GF GA HOME AWAY L10
MINNESOTA 7 6 0 1 13 17 9 3-0-0 3-0-1 6-0-1
CALGARY 8 4 2 2 10 29 26 2-1-1 2-1-1 4-2-2
COLORADO 7 4 3 0 8 24 23 4-0-0 0-3-0 4-3-0
VANCOUVER 7 3 4 0 6 20 25 1-4-0 2-0-0 3-4-0
EDMONTON 8 3 5 0 6 18 26 2-1-0 1-4-0 3-5-0

PACIFIC GP W L OT PTS GF GA HOME AWAY L10
DALLAS 8 4 2 2 10 22 19 3-0-1 1-2-1 4-2-2
SAN JOSE 8 4 3 1 9 19 19 1-2-0 3-1-1 4-3-1
ANAHEIM 10 4 5 1 9 23 27 4-1-0 0-4-1 4-5-1
LOS ANGELES 9 3 6 0 6 27 36 2-3-0 1-3-0 3-6-0
PHOENIX 7 2 5 0 4 16 23 1-4-0 1-1-0 2-5-0


I'm not paying too much attention to the stats yet (heard guy called Mike Cammalleri is leading the league is scoring at the moment) just an overview of who plays in what division.

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Leaf fans, no it's not hopeless !!

trade Sundin?
http://tinyurl.com/2pduy2

sign Tavares?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=221397&hubname=

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What's all this talk about the Toronto Makebeleafs? The Leafs have 37 goals right now. No team's put the puck in the net that many times to date. They need to tweak the Dee. Keep the scoring punch in place by all means. If I were a Leafs fan, I'd be excited about my team making the playoffs this year. Gotta cheer for your team rain or shine eh. Here, I'll start you guys off in the old Habs tradition:

go Leafs go! Go Leafs Go! GO LEAFS GO!!! and repeat often, especially during home games


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posted 26 October 2007 07:29 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Watters, a radio host with AM640 Toronto, argued Wednesday that Sundin would fetch a package of prospects and draft choices that would help the team rebuild. He believes Sundin, who has a no-trade contract, would accept a move if it gave him a chance at winning a Stanley Cup.

He believes Sundin would accept a trade? Even though Mats has said he wouldn't and would retire instead. Sometimes this town and it's hockey pundits make me want to cross-check someone.


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CBC radio just reporting here that Mikka is finally signing a contract extension. Haven't heard the numbers yet, but man that's a lot of money the Flames have tied up in Jarome, Regher etc.
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Is this going to the the 14th straight year without a Candian team as Cup champs? In the preceding 14-year span, Canadian teams won more than half of the Cup championships.

I think the drought ends in 2008 with Ottawa winning it all.


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Well, the Vancouver Luongos are gonna have to start scoring some more goals if they want to be in the playoffs.
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posted 30 October 2007 03:46 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, this is just painful.
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posted 30 October 2007 04:48 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm sure they will eventually win a Cup in your lifetime, Michelle.
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posted 30 October 2007 05:31 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
By then I'll have moved to some other city.
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Just don't let it be Ottawa.
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posted 30 October 2007 01:54 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Well, this is just painful.

Well they blamed themselves for too many fancy plays resulting in turnovers. But the real story, what the Leaf players refuse to say is that Toskala let in 4 goals on 13 shots in the first period. That's got to be a sinking feeling for the Leafs players, because they do have some offence as the stats are showing early on.

Toskala was a decent goalie sharing ice time in San Jose. And if he's going to have bad games, now is the time in the season to have them rather than later. He can only become more consistent the more he plays. But he's got to keep them in the game when playing at home. Goalies are the most important defencemen.


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posted 30 October 2007 02:29 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You know, God has a purpose for everything.

God's purpose for the Toronto Maple Leafs is to provide entertainment... to the 24 million Canadians living outside Southern Ontario.


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Montreal is beating their Achilles heel, the Ottawa Senators, 7-1 at the end of the second period. The internet has never afforded me so much joy since it let me stream live NHL games across the ocean.
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Habs 7-5 final. Snipers: Heatley, Spezza, and Alfredsson are still dangerous. Habs were lucky the Sens couldn't score with a 5-on-3 but still notched four in the third. Sens were 1 for 7 on the PP - Habs 2 for 5 with one SHG. Go Habs Go!
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The refs forgot to put on their Sens uniforms in the third period.
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back in October (above),
I said Penguins successful but bounced early;
Detroit and Zetterberg top threats;

OK,

and,
Tampa Bay still contending with a one-line team


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You know, God has a purpose for everything.

God's purpose for the Toronto Maple Leafs is to provide entertainment... to the 24 million Canadians living outside Southern Ontario.


Man, I can be a jackass.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

I think the drought ends in 2008 with Ottawa winning it all.


Ducks are unbeaten against North-East division teams this year. Habs and Sens both went down to the Ducks by identical scores, 3-1, in their only matchups on the season. Habs were missing Komisarek last night, their best shot-blocker on D.

Cup series predictions anyone ? I'll go way, way out on a limb and predict Habs over the Ducks or Red Wings in seven.


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I'll take the Habs too, although I think the Ducks might repeat.

I don't know that Ottawa has a chance this year. Not with these goaltenders.

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Habs win the Cup in sixteen games.
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posted 26 March 2008 03:19 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
Man, I can be a jackass.

Yes.


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I'm going with the Ducks, as much as I'd rather it be the Habs cause Pronger is a douche. I just don't think the Habs are tough enough to deal with the douche. Maybe this year the Flames will Phaneuf the douche. I'm rooting for the Flames, I love them almost as much as I do the Leafs and they can pull a Cinderella like no one else can.

But it sure as shit won't be the Sens. Which tickles me to no end.


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oh yeah, a prediction for the Cup:
Sharks vs Habs

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Originally posted by Scout:
I'm going with the Ducks, as much as I'd rather it be the Habs cause Pronger is a douche. I just don't think the Habs are tough enough to deal with the douche.

That could be a factor. I think Ottawa was a bigger team on average than the Habs are this year. But rough playoff hockey wasn't their style last year. And I think the Ducks set the tone with rough play in the final series. Big guys on D can be worn down with good puck movement and fast pace.

I think Habs have developed the swarming attack Sens-style fairly well, and they are a faster team up front. Habs are relatively healthy with balanced scoring. If they can remain healthy and stay out of the penalty box, I think they will be successful.

eta: I remember a 1998 playoff series between the Sens and a hard-hitting New Jersey Devils team. Any of Stevens, Niedermeyer, Odelein, Daneyko and Souray were like a brick wall in the neutral zone. And when the puck did get by them, there was Brodeur between the pipes. It seemed like an impossibility to beat the Devils, but other teams found ways eventually. Eventually the team chemistry breaks down. Habs are fast, younger, and hungry.

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Leafs out in 4
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Ha. Good one. Maybe Leaf fans can pretend that the last 4 games of the regular season are really playoff games, and spin "What if?" stories until, say, June or July, at which time the draft will roll around to distract serious hockey fans.

Latest Leafs memorabilia: a paper bag with two eye holes cut into it and a Leafs logo on the side. Very stylish.


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I'd actually like to see Edmonton in the West and Washington in the East make the playoffs. The Oilers can be exciting, are well coached, etc., and Washington has Ovechkin.

However, both possibilities are looking less likely as the season winds down.


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Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Washington has Ovechkin.

They also have Cristobal Huet in net, as well as six-time all star forward Sergei Fedorov as of a few weeks ago. Okay, he's past his prime. But I did notice a late season surge by the Caps. I hope les Caps don't bump les Bruins de Boston from a playoff spot.


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Montreal vs Ovechkin would cause some very serious allegiance problems for me
-- as in, yeah, he scored! and damn, we're behind!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Geneva:
Leafs out in 4

Hardeeharhar.


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last call for playoff predictions!
boy oh boy, if Washington DOES make it, this first round should be dynamite.

anyways, I know this kind of topic brings out the kooks, closet coaches and axe-grinders,
but Macleans has a lengthy season-ending feature on why Leafs lose, focusing mostly on monopoly power and its disincentives:
http://tinyurl.com/3xvj46

STEVE MAICH | April 2, 2008 |

It would be comforting to believe that the Toronto Maple Leafs are cursed. After 41 years of failure, supernatural explanations start to seem pretty attractive, especially when hard facts are just too painful to face.

It's not like there's any shortage of evidence for those inclined to see paranormal forces at work. These are the Leafs, where one can't-miss prospect after another disappears into minor-league obscurity. Remember Drake Berehowsky, Brandon Convery, Scott Pearson, Luca Cereda, Peter Ing, and Jeff Ware? They all, at one time or another, represented a future that never arrived. What about poor Jason Blake? A 40-goal scorer who gets diagnosed with cancer just months after his celebrated arrival in town.

Then there's Mats Sundin. One of the game's true stars, he played 13 years surrounded by one of the best-paid supporting casts in the NHL, never once making the Stanley Cup finals, let alone winning it.

The list of disappointments could fill volumes, and now this. For the first time in Leafs' history, eliminated

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Just as in political life, where leadership can make the difference between success and failure, so too in the management of sports teams. The Leafs have been skillfully managed into failure. Drinks all around.
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a preliminary set of 1st matchups, although may change with the final games Sunday:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/matchups?season=2008


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Wow, even if Pittsburgh wins their final game and knock Montreal out of first overall, you've got to fancy a first round meeting with Boston. We've won all eight games against them this year, all but seven in regulation. Plus, we'd avoid New Jersey in the second round!

Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should see Malkin, Crosby et al. cruise into the second round.

Despite recent suckage, and despite Ovechkin single-handedly carrying Washington into the playoffs, Ottawa should easily take the Capitals. Sixth place was always a preferred position with the weak East-Central division.

New Jersey over the bastid Rangers in five or six.

The West, I have no idea. All I know is that one of them is going to lose to le tricolor in the Stanley Cup Final.


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quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Just as in political life, where leadership can make the difference between success and failure, so too in the management of sports teams. The Leafs have been skillfully managed into failure. Drinks all around.

but regarding the Macleans analysis: that leafs are "too comfortable" with their perpetual sellouts etc -- tell that to Montreal that draws 21,000 a game every game forever, or in other sports teams like the St Louis Cardinals with a diehard fan base, yet who win regularly, unlike the Chicago Cubs, who lose; hard to figure the connection


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Minnesota over Pittsburgh in 7.
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Wild?
the West is brutal, so that's a daring bet;
go Gaborik!

I say:
Sharks make it through , and go against Habs


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Originally posted by Catchfire:
Wow, even if Pittsburgh wins their final game and knock Montreal out of first overall, you've got to fancy a first round meeting with Boston. We've won all eight games against them this year, all but seven in regulation. Plus, we'd avoid New Jersey in the second round!

Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should see Malkin, Crosby et al. cruise into the second round.

Despite recent suckage, and despite Ovechkin single-handedly carrying Washington into the playoffs, Ottawa should easily take the Capitals. Sixth place was always a preferred position with the weak East-Central division.

New Jersey over the bastid Rangers in five or six.

The West, I have no idea. All I know is that one of them is going to lose to le tricolor in the Stanley Cup Final.


You made an incorrect statement.

Ovechkin did not singlehandedly carry the caps to the playoffs, if that were the the caps would have been in playoff position all year. They have improved markedly since picking up Matt Cooke and Christobal Huet and Sergei Fedorov at the trade deadline, and also Nicklas Backstrom has gotten a lot better and is now the favourite to win the Calder Trophy for rookie of the year. I think it's obvious that without Backstrom heating it up and Huet coming in and performing with .920 save percentage (compared to Olaf Kolzig's .895 percentage) the caps would be in ninth or tenth place, not third. Sergei Fedorov is playing hot for the first time in like a decade.

Overall Washington will crush the senators in five games, *maybe* six. Ottawa has one good line (Is Alfredsson still injured?), they have weak defensemen and weak goaltending.

For the second round in the east I predict Pittsburgh, Montreal, Washington, and New York Rangers. Pittsburgh will beat New York. Montreal-Washington will be an exciting series, because it's two of the most powerful offensive teams in the league, and it will be Cristobal Huet vs Carey Price.


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Try not to take it personally, Apples. If you disagree, fine. I wouldn't say that means my statement was 'incorrect.'

It's hard to favour any team in the Southeast. The only reason Washington made it in is because they won the division. It's the weakest in the NHL. It's hard to deny that without Ovechkin's year-round effort, the Caps wouldn't even be in a position to make their impressive late push. I won't defend Ottawa (because I hates 'em) but it's pretty clear that sixth position was the goal of any bottom-four team, whoever was going to win the SE.

I don't really see how Montreal should have trouble with Washington. The season series was split 2-2, and I agree it could be an interesting game, especially with the Huet angle, but close down Ovechkin (tough) and you shut down the team. It's why everyone uses that strategy when they play them.


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Originally posted by Catchfire:
Try not to take it personally, Apples. If you disagree, fine. I wouldn't say that means my statement was 'incorrect.'

It's hard to favour any team in the Southeast. The only reason Washington made it in is because they won the division. It's the weakest in the NHL. It's hard to deny that without Ovechkin's year-round effort, the Caps wouldn't even be in a position to make their impressive late push. I won't defend Ottawa (because I hates 'em) but it's pretty clear that sixth position was the goal of any bottom-four team, whoever was going to win the SE.

I don't really see how Montreal should have trouble with Washington. The season series was split 2-2, and I agree it could be an interesting game, especially with the Huet angle, but close down Ovechkin (tough) and you shut down the team. It's why everyone uses that strategy when they play them.


No offense taken,

1) If the Eastern conference was purely about points, Washington might not be 3rd, but they'd be 5th or 6th.

1. y-Montreal 82 104
2. y-Pittsburgh 81 102
3. y-Washington 82 94
4. x-New Jersey 81 97
5. x-NY Rangers 81 96
6. x-Ottawa 82 94
7. x-Boston 82 94
8. x-Philadelphia 81 93

They have more wins than Boston and the same number of wins as Ottawa, don't know who won the season series between them.

They would not be in the playoffs without Ovechkin. But to say Ovechkin did it singlehandedly implies they would be in the playoffs without Fedorov, Backstrom Huet, Semin, Kozlov, Nylander, et ccetera. One could also say Huet is singlehandedly responsible for their late-season surge. Last year, Michael Nylander exploded in the playoffs for the rangers, he might do the same this year. Washington won their last game of the season 3-1 even though Ovechkin did nothing. Their goalie had 25 saves on 26 shots.

People have been trying to shut down Ovechkin all season long. He finishes with 65 goals and 112 points, number 1 for both. He's +28. It's not happening. Meanwhile, the same works the other way. Montreal's MVP is Alex Kovalev, and people will try to shut him down. Don't forget two years when we were up 2-0 on carolina, so their strategy was to stick a stick in Koivu's eye. They won the next four games and moved on to the stanley cup. What the Canadiens don't have is a goon. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston pulled that stunt on us, and it's the biggest threat to Montreal's chances.

Washington is a legitimite stanley cup threat.

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What the Canadiens don't have is a goon. I wouldn't be surprised if Boston pulled that stunt on us, and it's the biggest threat to Montreal's chances.

I hope we don't have any goons who would deliberately injure another player. I think our biggest worry will be freak injuries like the one Koivu has now.

Montreal has a few tough guys. I think Hamrlik did a good job of cancelling Chris Neil's rough and tumble play in front of Price in the last game. Begin can stir things up, and Lapierre is developing into somewhat of an agitator.
Mike Komisarek can block shots and clear traffic infront of Price.

A close relative of mine played the role of enforcer for the Habs a long time ago. Boston Garden was an arena where the Habs weren't made to feel real welcome at one time. Players oftentimes left the ice on stretchers. Some of the violence in hockey then would have people calling for the cops and charges laid by today's standards. Stomping on the other guy's leg might even have drawn a penalty in the good old days.

Surprisingly enough, I think the Habs' biggest worries will be Savard and Bergeron if they come back healthy. Axelsson and Sturm as usual. Chara's a wall on D. And then there's newcomer David Krejci.

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N.American sports has only 3-4 super-elite franchises (Yankees, Celtics), and Canada only one -- the Montreal Canadiens

Canadiens MUST WIN the Stanley Cup to maintain their recent, rock-bottom once-a-decade win pace, and elbow aside historic pretenders like the Red Wings

go Habs go


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Catchfire, tell you what,

We'll have a bet, I say washington makes it to the second round, you say not.

Loser donates $20 to a charity of the winner's choice.


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Originally posted by Geneva:
I say:
Sharks make it through , and go against Habs

hey, I am not alone:
http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080407.wspteasports7/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home


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I say:
Sharks make it through , and go against Habs

hey, I am not alone:
http://tinyurl.com/3k42r8

Canadian Press
April 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM EDT

The San Jose Sharks will win the Stanley Cup final in seven games over the Montreal Canadiens, according to an EA Sports video game simulation.

The simulation, performed with NHL 08, has Sharks forward Joe Thornton earning the Conn Smythe trophy after leading the Sharks through a low-scoring series with the Habs.

San Jose beats Detroit in six games in the Western Conference final after defeating Dallas in six games in the semifinal and eliminating Calgary in seven games in the quarter-final.

Montreal, meanwhile, rides the hot goaltending of Carey Price to a seven-game series win over Boston in the quarter-final, a six-game win over Philadelphia in the semifinal and a seven-game victory over Sidney Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins in the conference final.

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quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Catchfire, tell you what,

We'll have a bet, I say washington makes it to the second round, you say not.

Loser donates $20 to a charity of the winner's choice.


Ha. I missed this. Actually, now that Washington is not facing Ottawa, but Philadelphia, it changes things a bit. It will be a close series, I think, but I believe the Caps will pip the Flyers.

My predictions for the East 1st Round:
1. Montreal over Boston in five.
2. Pittsburgh over Ottawa in five
3. New Jersey over New York in seven
4. Washington over Philadelphia in six

I should also make clear that my statement of Ovechkin 'single-handedly' taking the Caps to the playoffs, which you for some reason took issue with, was meant as a credit to the phenomenal skill of Ovechkin rather than a discredit to the team. He should be MVP even if the Caps didn't make the playoffs. Now that they have, there's no question.


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Originally posted by Catchfire:
I should also make clear that my statement of Ovechkin 'single-handedly' taking the Caps to the playoffs, which you for some reason took issue with, was meant as a credit to the phenomenal skill of Ovechkin rather than a discredit to the team. He should be MVP even if the Caps didn't make the playoffs. Now that they have, there's no question.

you know, I first tuned in to the Caps in mid-January, when I saw them play vs the Wild: very fast game by both teams, and a lot of skill

but what struck me about Washington then was that Ovechkin was NOT alone:
the Caps defenceman Mike(?) Green was sensational -- he looked like Bobby Orr on one rush --, and their rookie centre Backstrom was also very good;
I thought then, if only Nylander was not injured, this team might really go places....


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I think Huet deserves some credit for getting the Caps into the playoffs. That being said I'm hoping Price can play like Dryden did in his rookie playoff run.
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nota:
someone pointed out a telling bit of trivia on a hockey blog

if Canadiens WERE to go to the finals vs San Jose, it would be the 4th consecutive Canadian team vs Sunbelt team Stanley Cup final

... with the Sunbelt squads winning 3-straight so far

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It's a new NHL rule wherein the Canadian teams are required to rotate through the finals, only to get their asses stomped by a team from the Confederacy.

First, the whiny Flames got too distracted by the bare breasts on 17th ave to actually play hockey, then Edmonton crapped the bed in game 7 so Pronger could get home and pack, and last year, Murray hired a beer league team to impersonate the Senators.

So to continue the grand tradition, Montreal will lose to Dallas or, even better from Gary's point of view, Nashville.

I hope it won't come to pass, but Bettman wants to make the game big with the Nascar crowd.


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Originally posted by Geneva:

if Canadiens WERE to go to the finals vs San Jose, it would be the 4th consecutive Canadian team vs Sunbelt team Stanley Cup final

... with the Sunbelt squads winning 3-straight so far


I know what you mean, and western conference teams all seem to be trying to copy the Ducks by having traded for big bruising players this year. Randy Carlyle was a bit embarassed by the trend and said countered that Anaheim plays clean hockey. Ducks steamrolled over all western conference opposition last season with lots of hard work on the forecheck, and Giguere was there to stop what few shots were taken from impossible angles or weren't blocked by the Ducks D.

And I wonder what happened when the Ducks beat both the Sens and Habs by identical scores of 3-1 in their only meetings of the year in March? Sens less so, because they were dispatched in six games last spring. The Habs are a smaller team, and yet they spent twice the amount of time on the PK in the game played in Anaheim several weeks ago. A similar result in San Jose losing 4-2 to a bigger Sharks team, and Habs were on a roll at the time. I think whichever team emerges from the East, they're in for a rough final series.


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Montreal Canadiens win game 7 against the evil Boston Bruins.

Carey Price is earning a Conn Smythe trophy, and the game was a team effort in that 5-0 win. Lots of guys got points. Kostitsyn brothers are all-stars in the making. Saku Koivu deserves a stanley cup.

I think all teams left in the eastern cup conference are legitimate Stanley Cup contenders except for Philadelphia. I would like to see Calgary win game 7.


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Price was priceless. Kostytsin brothers were kostly for the Bruins, and Streit was his streaking self again. And Alex always a threat with two helpers. I was worried that Dion in the crowd might have jinxed them.

I am disappointed for at least two of the Bruins, who, I thought played really well over the series. They were missing Bergeron.


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There's still a chance that Washington will play Calgary in the Cup finals this year. I really want to see Mike Green go up against Dion Phaneuf. I'm a Leafs fan, but after Joe Sakic, these two kids are my favourite NHL players.

I saw both Green and Phaneuf play in Saskatoon in the Dub. Phaneuf didn't stick out at all because the Saskatoon players never went near him. I thought Green, the Blades captain, was one of the smartest players I've seen. He'd do unexpected things with the puck all the time. He has a bit of a nasty streak, too. In the last shift I saw him play as a Blade he speared a Regina guy and started a mini-brawl.

Didja see the hip check Green put on Sami Kappinen tonight? 'Twas a thing of beauty.

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Woot! I have the K brothers in my pool!

Also: I love game sevens, but OMG they are stressful, especially when you have 6 players from one of the teams (hello Montreal) in your list. I had to take goalie picks (Price) and defenseman picks (Streit) in this pool. Does Streit still count as a defenceman?

I sure hope Ovechkin, Green, Backstrom, and Semin play as well tonight as they did last night. Too bad the Calgary game doesn't start until 11:00 here. I'll have to satisfy my game 7 lust with Washington-Phillie. The second period of the SJ-Calgary game won't start until Wednesday in Newfoundland, for all those locals watching Ryan Clowe. There are going to be some tired people in Newfoundland tomorrow.

Brag alert: I'm 6 for 6 in first round winners so far...looking to go 8 for 8.


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Warning: Substantial thread drift ahead. What is with Montreal hockey fans thrashing 16 police vehicles, and causing other vandalism, after their team won last night? God help that city if their team loses. Besides vandalism, there are other issues arising: violence, harm to the environment (burning police cars), and probably there could be other issues as well.
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correct if I am wrong, but this all started only in 1993;
I don't recall vandalism after the Cup in 1986....

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Unfortunately, I do remember vandalism the last time we won the Cup - lots of looting in the western part of the city centre, where the Forum still was then.
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in '93, there was lots of trouble around the Forum ...
this followed several major sports championships in the US, including the Chiccago Bulls, where the night following the big win was very hot

a bad trend, no doubt


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My car was vandalized following a football game series final in Ottawa in 1968 - I shouldn't have parked my car on Bank Street, except back then sports vandalism was unheard of in Ottawa, more or less.
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CTV Channel 9 has been trying all day to whip up anti-Montreal sentiment: "would you cheer for the Canadiens after that terrible vandalism?"

They failed. Talk Back Toronto:

quote:
Are you cheering for the Montreal Canadiens?
Yes 51%
No 49%

Most hockey fans know better than to blame the Habs for the violence of some drunken hooligans.

Besides, if the Leafs ever get past the first round, will we see hooliganism in the streets of Toronto? (I know, pretty hypothetical question.)


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quote:
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Most hockey fans know better than to blame the Habs for the violence of some drunken hooligans.

Those drunken hooligans were Habs fans according to the news coverage I saw this morning. Witnesses said the bars were filled with fans after the game, then the violence started after a few beer bottles were broken, and folks followed suit.


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Besides, if the Leafs ever get past the first round, will we see hooliganism in the streets of Toronto? (I know, pretty hypothetical question.)

Toronto beat Ottawa 3 years running in the last 10 years and not riot in sight.


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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
Most hockey fans know better than to blame the Habs for the violence of some drunken hooligans.

Those drunken hooligans were Habs fans according to the news coverage I saw this morning. Witnesses said the bars were filled with fans after the game, then the violence started after a few beer bottles were broken, and folks followed suit.


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T'aint the first time and won't be the last.
I wonder if the vandals actually watched the game, rather did they have seats or were waiting around to wreak havoc?

Good excuse for robbery too.

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There should be a crackdown. No telling what it could lead to.
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Maybe we should ban hockey?
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I think they are young people in the prime of their lives blowing off a little steam while celebrating a mock war battle-victory on ice over long-time rivals Boston. I think hockey bears some semblance to Roman entertainment complete with gladiators, gore and even a little blood sometimes. Add $15 or $20 dollar cups of beer, and the energy spilling out of any given circus maximus at the end of a game I think can sometimes be a potent recipe for violence in the streets. Everyone's a Roman when the home team wins.
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Wow Philly beat Washington. I guess a lot of people underestimated the impact that Vaclav Prospal would have on Philadelphia's offensive production.

As an aside: Daniel Briere is the playoff scoring leader right now (admittedly he's played seven games), and Martin Biron seems to have had a better series than Christobal Huet. Biron made 39 saves on 41 shots tonight. Huet had a very mediocre 31 saves on 34 shots. He had a very weak series from a guy you'd expect .920 from and who's in a free agent year.

Fedorov clearly likes playing with Russians, as he has not been this sharp in a long time. He's also in a free agent year.

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That goal is gonna cause a scandal. Checking the goalie with his own player? That's something Avery would think of. Should have been no goal. And to try it again later in the game?!?! God I hate Philly.

And maybe a little consistency on what's gonna get called would be nice. I don't even have a team in the play offs and I have seen some shitty reffing.


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Yeah, the reffing was purty dodgy in that Caps-Philly game 7.

I thought at times that the fix must have been in, although I can't see why anyone would want the Phlyers to win.


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quote:
Originally posted by Scout:
That goal is gonna cause a scandal. Checking the goalie with his own player? That's something Avery would think of. Should have been no goal. And to try it again later in the game?!?! God I hate Philly.

There have been a few questionable calls and non-calls in the first round. One of the plays which led to a Bruins goals in game six was clearly offside.

Small note: Electronic Arts' NHL '08 for PS3 features optional offside rules. We noticed several software bugs while playing the game with my nephews, but one of them was clearly a wrong call for an offside. How did we know for sure? EA Sports' NHL08 also has instant replay.


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"What is with Montreal hockey fans thrashing 16 police vehicles"

That's 16 less police vehicles sitting in wait behind a cover of bushes at rush hour waiting for even the slightest roll; sixteen less vehicles available for meaningless, expensive tickets for bikers; sixteen less vehicles available for late night pull-overs by macho cops with asshole attitudes; finally, sixteen less vehicles that the city can use for its bullshit indirect taxation.

And to top it all off, we eliminated Boston, and no one was hurt.
What more can you want?

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posted 22 April 2008 09:09 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ya, we drove into Montreal one time and found it near impossible to weave through all those Rock Machine and Hell's bikers tooling along at the speed limit. Cut'em slack guys, come on!
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posted 23 April 2008 05:46 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thank heavens for Letters to the Editor:
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On Monday night, I lost my faith in the Montreal police service (Rioting Fans Torch Police Cars - April 22). What began as me chanting, along with a thousand others, quickly became running from riot police and covering my kidneys.

Crowds filled the corner of St. Catherine and Crescent, chanting "Go-Habs-Go," blocking traffic. Rather than close off streets, cops wielding batons beat people out of the way to allow cars through. Baton swinging incited swearing and spitting, which encouraged police to call for more officers and more vigorous swinging of batons. Bruised ribs and goose eggs led to bottles being thrown and dozens of riot police, eager to show their machismo, striking out at any ribs or kidneys within range.

Matters escalated once again to vandalism of police vehicles. The destruction of police cars is reprehensible, but none of this would have happened if the streets had simply been shut off and the fans allowed to chant: Go-Habs-Go.



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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
Yeah, the reffing was purty dodgy in that Caps-Philly game 7.

I thought at times that the fix must have been in, although I can't see why anyone would want the Phlyers to win.


One word: Koharski

I'm pretty sure he prides himself on inconsistent periods. Still the worst ref in the league, IMO.

Nonetheless, it was a good game to watch, especially if you hate Philly. I lost count of how many times Hatcher had his stick up when throwing a 'check'. Or how many times I got to yell at the TV over a non-call. Bunch of goons. I look forward to Montreal skating circles around them. I did cry a bit when the bastards won, as they reduced my first round record to 7/8.

PS - Really, the time to riot is after your team loses after a series of bad calls, or after winning the whole enchilada. C'mon, Montreal fans...wait until the playoffs are done!

PPS - My second round picks are boring: Colorado, SJS, Montreal, Pittsburgh. I am a bit nervous over picking Colorado and Pittsburgh, though...I think those two series could swing either way.

Edited: Ahhh...gotta go with the gut. The gut tells me to pick Colorado over Detroit.

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these are mostly classic series with a history, esp. Detroit-Colorado,

weakest history is Pitt-NYR, and that still should be excellent, and give the NHL a leg-up in Manhattan, to boot


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posted 23 April 2008 08:34 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Nonetheless, it was a good game to watch, especially if you hate Philly. I lost count of how many times Hatcher had his stick up when throwing a 'check'. Or how many times I got to yell at the TV over a non-call. Bunch of goons. I look forward to Montreal skating circles around them.

I think the hockey gods must have been visiting Dionysus last night, because the Caps looked like the best team, and they should have won.

I'm anything but a Habs fan, but I predict a sweep by les bleus blancs, etc., because Philly has shot its bolt already.

I was hoping for a Flames win as well, but that didn't turn out either. I have nothing left to cheer for...unless I go for Devon Setoguchi's team?


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Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
I'm anything but a Habs fan, but I predict a sweep by les bleus blancs, etc., because Philly has shot its bolt already.

But Habs won the season series with the Bruins, too. And that round one playoff series had to be decided by a game seven. Habs PP was 2 or 3 for some ridiculous number of chances over seven games, not what what it was in the reg season. Every team is playing tight D come playoff hockey. Rangers are a new team altogether by the looks of things.

Philly's a bigger overall team than the Habs, so I think le Club de Hockey will have to skate and pass well in this one.

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Looks as if Washington is a way tougher team than the Habs. Kovalev has become Kovalevian again this series.

Did anyone catch Coach's Corner tonight? I started watching in the middle somewhere, and was pleased to see Don Cherry talking promoting the Canadian word "sweater" as opposed to the yanqui "jersey." I made this same argument in the hockey threads on Enmasse a few months ago.

I gave up on those threads in part because it seemed that every time I talked about hockey, some lavender-scented twerp would tell me I was channelling Don Cherry.

Oh yeah? Now Don Cherry's channelling ME!

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Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
Looks as if Washington is a way tougher team than the Habs. Kovalev has become Kovalevian again this series.

Hatcher's 6'5" and 235. Bouillon's 5'8" and 190. Did anyone think the Habs wouldn't have put O'Byrne, Hamerlik, or Komisarek on Hatcher for that attempt to mame Bouillon? Of course they had to throw him out of the game. Hatcher's a ghost by series end. "Dead man walking"

34-14 shots on goal Habs. They'll get em next time.


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The Canadiens (aside from Koivu, who played well all game) got very demoralized by the post + crossbar in the first period...they were losing all the races to the puck, cycling poorly, and not protecting well when they had the puck (especially after the crossbar). After Downie's sleugh-foot on Price and the lack of anyone seriously challenging him (a scrum did not make the point, sorry), the Habs fell apart. Carbonneau probably should've pulled price the instant he dropped that puck in front of the Philly player.

I was heartened by the Hab's play in the third period, and haven't counted them out yet. I suspect Carbonneau will have them fired up for game 4.

Otherwise, it looks like I'll go 1/4 in the second round! Hooray for complete reversals of fortune!


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posted 29 April 2008 04:54 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Trading Huet may come back to haunt my team.
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I don't think the Habs fell apart at all. I think Price fell apart and Biron was incredible. There were some bad missed chances (Koivu should have buried his first-period break and Higgins DEFINITELY should have buried Kovalev's beautiful cross-crease pass) but the Flyers did not play well. Price played like a marooned rookie, even in the first period he couldn't find the puck, was unsure about stick handling, etc. He let in three soft goals--and it only takes one to murder you in the playoffs.

The Flyers are a hack team with a bit of skill (Richards and Briere in particular). Price has been shocking since his 1-0 shutout against Boston. Poor kid.


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I could never figure out getting so little for Huet, but then, Bob Gainey is, well ... Bob Gainey

so you have to figure he saw some Dryden/Roy in Price; that does NOT mean Price does not have some bad games and/or losses

hope Habs pound those clods next game and the universe returns to its axis


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Flyers were "in Price's head" for two periods, even though Habs outplayed them for periods two and three. Downie took some roughing up after deliberately upending Price.

Flyers had all of two shots on net in the third. They were shooting the puck in off the boards but always just out of Price's reach. Price likes to handle the puck. He's young yet. Price will be a star.


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posted 30 April 2008 04:36 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So whaddya think? Is Hal Gill not the happiest guy in the whole NHL?
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posted 30 April 2008 05:28 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha. Some guys have all the luck. He even cleared a puck off the line last night for the favour.
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Avery is out for the season. Lacerated spleen. The Rangers are done.
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posted 30 April 2008 09:15 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Scout: Avery is out for the season. Lacerated spleen.

More on that from the Toronto Sun ...

quote:
New York Rangers forward Sean Avery is in intensive care at a New York hospital after suffering a lacerated spleen in Tuesday night's game against the Pittsburgh Penguins.... According to Avery's mother, the Rangers' agitator suffered the injury during the first period of Tuesday night's game at Madison Square Garden after colliding with a Penguins defenceman.

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The Rangers are done.

As are the Sharks and the Avalanche, in all likelihood.

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It will be another all-American showdown for Lord Stanley's cup. I'm beginning to think the regular season is just for tickey sales. The cup belongs in the U.S.!!!
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The bastards.
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And with that happy thought, closing for length.
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