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Tommy_Paine
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posted 14 April 2002 01:21 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, so my prediction about Mike Harris going for the Alliance Leadership turned out to be so much talk into so many hats. I will now turn my political instincts to the world of sport, and apply it to the Stanely Cup Playoffs.

First series, we have Boston vs. Montreal. It could be that the emotional return of their Captain in Montreal, coupled with the élan that accompanies some teams like Montreal that enter the playoffs after a protracted absence, might be enough to upset Boston. But I doubt it. Montreal's fate is in the hands of Yanic Pereault more than anything else. As he does, so will the Habs. If Yanic plays his best game, then Montreal might push it to a seventh game. If not, then count on an earlier exit.

My pick: Boston in 6.

I was looking forward to an early exit by Philly this year. I had figured them to run into New Jersey in the first round, but now this has to be rethunk. Does Ottawa feel the desperate pressure to preform this time around, owing to previous embarassing eliminations in the early rounds? Last year's el-foldo against Toronto must surely be stinging still. And what of Philly? A snake bit playoff team if there ever was one. I'm going to give this battle of the under achievers to Philly.

My pick: Philly in 7.


Carolina and the Islanders. The playoff newbie Islanders drew the best lot, and should polish of Carolina in shortish order.

My pick: NYI in 5

As a Leaf fan, I was comfortable against any of the teams in this conference. Except New Jersey. Home ice is not an advantage here, and might even prove to be a disadvantage. New Jersey is a much better team than their record indicates, and Toronto has not played it's best hockey in the later third of the season, mostly due to a string of unfortunate injuries.

I dunno. I see this as a bad deal for both teams. I think whoever emerges from this series will emerge beaten up, and that will start to tell if either advances to the third round. In the end, I think the removal of Alexander Mogilny from New Jersey, and the fact that this minus becomes Toronto's plus could actually be the deciding factor here: If Mogilny stays healthy.

My Pick: Toronto in a grueling 7.


Now for the West:

Detroit.


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posted 14 April 2002 01:26 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My two predictions: in contrast to the regular season, the hockey will occasionally be entertaining, and there'll be a relative dearth of fighting and bush play.

How I love hockey. How I hate, therefore, the NHL.

[ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 14 April 2002 01:39 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, c'mon 'lance. Ya know ya like a good dust up like the rest of us.

Now, you kids out there, you listen to this. Don't ever think playing tough hockey means using your stick, butt ending a guy, hitting from behind, cross checking to the face or any of those dirty European tricks.

There's nothing wrong with a couple of guys straightening out a misunderstanding on the ice with the old bare fists at the right time. That's Canadian Hockey, boy and we all love it.

But I know you softies like 'lance McClean here don't think I'm right. Show the video..... no....not that one....there...stop it there. See? see that Ulfy Samuelson with his stick between that guys legs? Don't ever do that kids, you can really mess someone up. Now roll the video a bit...WHOA, right there, see? Tie Domi retaliates and whomps Dirty ol' Ulfy a good honest one upside the head with his fist, and who gets the suspension?!!!!

That's what's wrong with hockey today kids.


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quote:
There's nothing wrong with a couple of guys straightening out a misunderstanding on the ice with the old bare fists at the right time. That's Canadian Hockey, boy and we all love it.

But I know you softies like 'lance McClean here don't think I'm right.


Ah, good old Grapes. Since I heard him use it to describe folks like me, maybe 20 years ago, I've always loved the expression "pseudo-intellectual liberal boogaloos."

Meanwhile, even with European players, Cherry's Ice Dogs remain the worst team in the OHL. His coaching methods, I'm told by those who know, haven't changed beyond those prevailing on or about Sept. 28, 1972.

That should tell us all we need to know about Cherry and his hockey "expertise." A buffoon, I could maybe put up with. A buffoon and a fraud...


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I think the Habs are do. You gotta love Montreal fans, they riot if they win, they riot if they lose.
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I was in London's train station a while back 'lance, and because of noise they had the waiting room T.V.'s on closed caption. I watched the closed caption of Cherry's ramblings, and it was hillarious! I don't know why, but you can understand him when he talks, but to read his spoken word? It is entirely indecipherable.

I got real turned of Cherry in the '98 Olympics when he called Bylerus "Bellalagosi". It was embarassing. His Canadian patriotism is merely an imported ugly American one often times, and I don't think it's very Canadian at all.

And, he's wrong about European players being "dirty". While there is something to that, we can't forget the Broad Street Bullies of the 1970's. They could still teach Ulfy Samuelson a trick or two, those guys.

But Cherry is not wrong about everything. The "instigator" rule, I think, increases the amount of dirty, and dangerous play in the N.H.L. and two "enforcers" fighting, or a guy who cross checks someone in the face getting the tar beat out of him by the other team's enforcer can only bring about better, safer play in my opinion.


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Okay, I messed up. When I took the match ups, I went to N.H.L.com and I don't think the standings were updated at the time.

So, instead of Toronto/New Jersey, to my greater relief it's Toronto/Islanders. I have to give the edge to Toronto here. I think they are the better team, and they of course have greater playoff experience. However, if Toronto wants to progress far in the playoffs, they had better dispatch the Islanders in short order. It's a grueling schedule down the road, and a rest at the start pays dividends later.

Be that as it may, the Islanders didn't enjoy success this year on a fluke. They're a good team.

My revised pick: Toronto in 6


The other revised match up is Carolina and New Jersey.

He he.

My revised pick: New Jersey in 4.


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posted 15 April 2002 08:18 PM      Profile for annie.victoria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trev's back in town, and look what happens?????

GOOOOOOOO CANUCKS....

You would have ever thunkin it this year!!!

And if they lose we will just have to have another Boston Tea Party Gone Mad.

But if we win think about it....... Men's Gold, Women's Gold and the Cup back where it belongs!!!!!


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posted 15 April 2002 08:25 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Vancouver winning the Cup.

All I can think of is a quote from "Monty Python":

quote:
You're a looney, you are.

[ April 15, 2002: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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posted 15 April 2002 08:31 PM      Profile for annie.victoria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We can believe. And its very mean of people like you to take our hope away.

GOOOOOOO CANUCKS and KICK some Red WING BUTT


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posted 15 April 2002 08:42 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True enough,

Hope on.


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I think the Canucks will shock many people these playoffs.

I hope the Leafs win it all, but I'll predict nothing.


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posted 15 April 2002 11:41 PM      Profile for gadder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Since we're talking hockey and Cherry,

I predict the Ottawa Senators will lose - badly - again precisely because of the reasons Cherry pointed out - no grit. Their nice players have lots of talent and hustle, but they wouldn't know what to do in a corner if their lives depended on it.

Anyways, the only team i cared about has already lost - the Ottawa 67s go down in game 7 of round 2. Junior hockey - now that's hockey with heart!


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Canucks all the way baybee!!!!

Trev'? Pardon me while I vomit. That guy is a star in one town, Vancouver, why? Because he's "nice". Well that's fine and good, but we have nuns to do that stuff.

Naslund and Bertuzzi have been awesome, I can't wait to watch them pull off that upset.

It may not be 12 years after the last run to the cup, but they sure look great heading into the post season.

GO CANUCKS GO!!!


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Yes, Gadder, OHL can be a lot of fun. London (one of the oldest OHL franchises without a Memorial Cup) Did okay in the playoffs, but they are out now. The best part is that most of this team is returning for next year, which will (except for September) be played at the new as yet unamed arena downtown.

The downtown location is much more accessable for me, so I will probably be taking in more games. "The Ice House", located on Wellington by the 401, was a huge pain to get out of after a game.

The downtown location is public transit friendly, so I can leave the van at home and maybe even have a few beers at the game.


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Tommy Paine: this anecdote is half-way between hockey and "I want to believe"--which isn't too much of a stretch, now that I think about it.

After the most recent Canucks victory over Detroit (*ahem*), Kelly Rudy described what he called a "turning point" in the game, where Steve Eizerman nearly scored, but was stopped by the Canucks goaltender. Rudy claimed that this was a turning point because Eizerman later did get a goal, so these two goals combined would have meant Detroit really took it to Vancouver. This assumes, of course, that the game would have continued on exactly as before, had Eizerman actually scored on his first chance. The Canucks wouldn't have rallied, and Eizerman would have been in exactly the same scoring position (and everyone else would have been in the exact same positions, including the puck) for his "second" goal as we saw.

I'll bet this kind of fancy crops up all the time in colour commentary--including my own--but I've rarely taken notice. A lot of the fun in hockey, a game of inches, is indulging in these wild speculations on the course of a game, and how things might have turned out "if only". Hell, I used to think that way about my own chances when I played. "If that bastard hadn't lifted my stick..." Sure goals, every one of 'em!

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: bittersweet ]


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Okay, time to see just how bad I was.

In the Montreal Boston series, I picked Boston in six. Wrong. But, I think my caveats were bang on, I just didn't weigh them properly.

Yanic Pereault continues to be the most undervalued player in the Eastern Conference, if not the league. Watching the Leafs lose face off after face off against the Islanders proved this much.

Jersey and Carolina. Even if I was more aware of the bad blood between those teams, I might have given Carolina more due, but I still would have picked New Jersey. I was just plain wrong on that one.

Ottawa and Philly. Man, was I ever wrong. I mean, how much wronger can you get?

Okay, maybe I'm not as wrong as Bobby Clark being G.M. of this team, but still, I was pretty wrong.

2 goals in 5 games. A record for the ages. Congrats, Flyers.

I missed the Toronto Islanders series by a game. I would have thought the Leafs good enough to take one in the Island, but I think I slightly underestimated the rather tenacious Islanders. This looks like the start/revival of a new/old rivalry.

And, I picked, and stand by my pick of "Detroit" in the west.

I was so hoping to eat those words though, and I have to admit my heart sank when I heard of the goal from center ice. Man, the Canucks were playing on balls, and that was something to see.

Turning now to Ottawa and Toronto. Toronto should win the firt game-- being still in war mode, while Ottawa has been living the soft life since the regular season ended.

Laline may have looked like a demi-god against Philly, but lets see how he fares with 200+ lbs of Gary Roberts coming at him three times a night.

Ottawa looked good against Philly. But is this a bragging point? A measuring stick?

I think not.

Hmm.. This could go either way, and with Sundin and Yschevich out...... I hate to pick against my Leafs....

Toronto in 7

Carolina and Montreal. Hard to say... both are the two weakest teams, going by regular season, and here they are in the second round. I have to favour the evil and Satanic Montreal Canadians, mostly on the hope we get to see a Toronto/Montreal semi-final series, and because I think Carolina might just be satisfied with getting by New Jersey too much.

Montreal In 6.


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Hmmm, I've tried desperately to hide my hockey fanaticism for years, but I can be still no longer.

First, let me lay out my biases for all to see. Detroit has been my team since I learned to rebel against my blood heritage Montreal loving. (Although I was sad to see Van-city's demise, most damned entertaining team in the playoffs.) Living in Ottawa I, sadly, have come to live and die with the fate of the Senators, not long for this snobbish hockey town. I loath the Leafs since Nicky Borshevsky scored a goal he didn't deserve. I was cheering for all the Canadian teams in the first round, including Vancouver. Thankfully, my conscience rests easy.

Now, onto Round 2.

Detroit-St.Louis: St. Louis lasts as long as Brent Johnson stops pucks, I figure given his track record this means not long - Detroit in 5.

Colorado-San Jose: I think Colorado may be the best team in the league, especially with Forsberg AND Hejduk back and barnstorming, but San Jose has a veteren team built to last. Much depends on Nabokov, only he and CuJo didn't manage a shutout in Round 1, and he's matched up against the best playoff goalie ever - Colorado, but in 7 (again).

Toronto-Ottawa: I am certain that the ghosts of Leafs series past haunt my poor Sens, but after dominating Philly they're rolling. TP- for all that Roberts may intimidate the crease, I believe Philly still has the biggest team in the league and it didn't matter a lick. I think Ottawa proved that their game plan of boring the Flyers into submission can work, perhaps for the long haul. They won't be too intimidated although they may fear their brains being scrambled or their knees destroyed - Ottawa in 7.

Carolina-Montreal: Montreal has to have two things happen and they will win, 1) Theodore must win two games outright as he did against the Bruins (he will), 2) Montreal must expose the goaltending controversy and weakness lying so open in Carolina (they may, one blowout is all it takes). I fear Montreal's ability to stop Francis-Kappanen-O'Neil may not be up to par with NJ's, but clearly, that wasn't the solution anyway - Montreal in 6.

There they are, my boldest predictions yet. Mind you, after Round 1 I had lost all, but 4 players in my playoff pool so what do I know.

I'm going to see the first two home games in the Ottawa-Toronto series, which makes me super happy. If we end up with a Highway 417/ Autoroute 40 Eastern Conference final I may croak from elation, and go broke from bus ticket fares.

(PS- Detroit will win the Cup!)


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I am a long time Leafs fan. I watched this series with the Islanders on the edge of my seat. To saying the reffing was bad is an understatement. The booing was upsetting and Webb, if I ever see you on the street I will give your dirty checking ass quite the talking to. I hated seeing my Leafs sink to the levels of the Islanders, but it seemed like the only way to survive. I am frankly surprised that Webb didn't kill Darcy Tucker or seriously injure him, he took some seriously brutal hits and Tucker kept on going! Sure, he lost his cool at the end, I probably would too! I mean where the hell was security when those jackasses where throwing shit in the penalty box and banging on the glass?

I believe Ottawa will not survive the Leafs, size isn't the only reason to fear Roberts, it's the sheer determination of his attack that is amazing to watch. And Toronto has the heart that Ottawa lacks. And it's unusal that Toronto face a team that it is in no way overmatched my in the second round. Goodbye Ottawa in 5.

Captain Koivu and his Fab Habs will be meeting my Leafs next round, where will will promptly crush them too because by this point Cujo will be breathing fire at the pucks and incinerate them before they get in his crease.

And in the other division, it will be the mighty, mighty Red Wings, wise to fear a team that know understands the perils of being to sure of themselves.

And cause I am a crazy canuck of course I believe it's the Leafs year to wim the cup and bring it home to hang with our gold medals.


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I missed this thread earlier.

But for the benefit of you who care (all zero of you), I present my predictions for round one (made for the office pool, which I am currently winning).

Let's just say that I was 5/8 in the opening round. Very happy to be wrong about the Montreal series, indifferent about being wrong in the Carolina / NJ contest, and slightly bored with the inevitable Colorado / Detroit final round pairing in the west (I was hoping LA would come through on the upset, if only to de-boreify the west a bit).

Round 2 predictions:

Toronto vs. Ottawa - Toronto in 6

Lalime will continue his godlike play in game 1, then fall back to humanity. Ottawa will win game 3 at home, then lose 4, 5, and 6. Of course, if Lalime stays in the same form, Ottawa in 5.

Montreal vs. Carolina - Montreal in 7

Don't underestimate either team. They are both feisty and full of character. Either could win.

Detroit vs St. Louis - Detroit in 5

The big red machine was shaken awake by Vancouver. They won't be slack from here to the cup finals.

Colorado vs San Jose - San Jose in 6

Despite the return of Forsberg, Colorado still needed 7 games to eliminate L.A. They're just not playing as well as they can, and if they don't wake up, they'll regret it.

My pool is a player pool, and I'm only missing five out of 20 right now (2 Boston, 2 L.A, and Sundin). I think I'm the only one here who didn't lose more than 10 players because of NJ, Philly, and Boston all losing.


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Scout, you get Slick Willy's kick ass award of the week!

What can be said about Tucker? heh heh I'm glad he's on our team. And Roberts, I would spit on the ground he walked on when he played for Calgary but now that he's a Leaf, I love the guy. Ain't I fickle.

All the guys that didn't get a second look when the stars are healthy and playing place a spot light on what it takes to win in the playoffs.

Go Leafs!


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quote:
What can be said about Tucker?
Probably not a conversation to start.

I think we can let you of the hook for the rancid ground spitting incidents (would've, c'mon?!), but the Leaf liking . . . hmmm, that's probably a conversation I shouldn't get into (it would appear from the thread so far). I'll just say this on heart, the Sens got a transplant when the 'C' left the chest of Yashin and found it's way onto Alfie's breast, I feel good.

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Right on, Scout!! The officiating was disgraceful in the series -- and Roberts has the stitches to prove it (with no penalty on the play!!!) Cujo was playing like a Jedi warrior in the 3rd period last night -- his first excellent game for quite some time. I think he's finally back in form.

That said, I just can't see any team from the east -- including my beloved Leafs -- having a ghost of a chance against a team from the West. They're just too strong.


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I think sports predictions are for the birds, so I'll just stick to observations.

Leafs - Ottawa. Ottawa's guts level went up by default with the departure of Yashin, but this improvement was compensated for with the trading away of André Roy. I like Redden but the rest of the Senators are dweebs.

The Leafs could win on guts alone, providing they don't have any more injuries, and Curtis Joseph gets in a groove.

Alyn McCauley is finally getting recognition, and Garry Valk and Travis Green, along with Corson, McCabe, Roberts and Tucker are guys who always come to play.
Yeah, I'm a Leaves' fan.

The other series match ups?
Who cares?


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Yay! I won an award! One for kicking ass! Did I mention I throw a mean hipcheck for a girl?

I forgot to mention McCabe, my bad, he rocks and his slapshot is sweet! I didn't want to totally drool all over my team. But I can't believe how they step up their play when they keep losing player after player, all the Leafs are superstars and they don't need a massive pay cheque or ego to prove it. And they played a hell of a game last night considering they had the flu!

But my ultimate favorite player is Domi, I have watched him bust his butt to repair his rep, and he has played some great hockey and has an awesome grasp of the game, I wouldn't be surprised if he engineered the play that sent Cujo to the bench so we could have an extra man and get a crucial goal. But most people don't look past his rep and watch him play and watch him make the right plays time and time again. And when called upon, he can kick some serious ass. He also does a tons of charity work in the city, especially with Sick Kids Hospital and the kids love him.

Not only does Roberts have the stiches to show for the reffing did you see his eye last night! I am pretty sure then islanders goalie got an up close look at it!

Does anybody else think Kelly Rudy is a Leaf hating wanker? He just gets under my skin and I can't figure out why? Maybe it's his "I wanna be a rock star" hair. He should leave that kind of hair to the pros.


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Montréal.
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seconded .

The Habs .


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The oracle doesn't like to cast its gaze on the future outcome of sporting events but it owes me a favour or two (the oracle has been known to give false information maliciously - so as Letterman (that bufoon) would say "please folks no wagering" )

The oracle says

game one - ottawa -5 toronto - 2

the series

ottawa wins in five

(the oracle is open for consultation)

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But my ultimate favorite player is Domi,

Geeze I hate to say it but sorry one award per week.

Domi is one hell of a guy. Living in Toronto we get to see his mug at local charity events more than anyone in sports. More than just a great enforcer, good hockey player, he's a good person.

I think all the Leafs are wareing a little play off make up these days. Robert's eye looks pretty bad but it will heal quickly if the Leafs get to drink a little champers from the pail-o-top-of-it.

The Sens are going to play a 1st period game in game one. The Leafs have a pretty good 1st period and a great third period. The Sens are going to fold like yesterdays copy of the Sun.


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(laughs)

Now that you mention Domi , where is that other bullethead Don "dem yerapee-ins" Cherry I wonder ? Is the corp going to can him do you think ? With that comment during the olympics about Bylerus I wouldn't be surprised .
I like Kelly Rudy (sp?). It is hilarious to watch McLean adjusting to his new pal .
He has taken a wagon load from Cherry in the past .

The oracle says that Ron McLean is developing a platonic crush on Kelly Rudy .
Watch for those quick puppy-eye glances .

On the subject of Harris the oracle says he and his new partner are soon to be splitsville .

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: grasshopper ]


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Oddly, I hope the Senators win. Only for the sake of my oldest and best friend, who lives in the Ottawa Valley (around a mile from where we grew up), and is a long-standing, long-suffering Senators fan.
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the score

ottawa - 5 toronto - 0


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Beer tastes funny with all these tears. boo hoo.

Well you have to hand it to the Sens, they played one hell of a disciplined game of hockey. And that power play... where the fuck did that come from?

Lalaine (sp) made some good saves but I don't think he was really tested last night. Cujo was doing well and I don't think he really let in a soft goal. He sure needed some help out there though and he didn't get that.

To me it looked like the Senators showed up to give a lesson in playoff hockey. The Leafs looked like they were there to play game 8 against NYI.

Penalties killed the Leafs last night. That and down right bad luck. Nothing seemed to work the way it should for the Leafs and that's just part of the game.

I think the Leafs need to work on their transition game a little more and of course something has to happen to get them to settle down with the dumb penalties.

Question though for those who watched the game lastnight. When the only Leaf goal was called back due to interference, do you think Domi was tripped or did he allow himself to plough into the Sens netminder?


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I watched the Domi replay abotu 6 times last night, he tried to jump over the player, who was attempting to trip him (wouldn't that be the kinda play the earned the Islanders a penalty shot?) but he did get up over the guys feet, he was defintely clipped and sent ass over tea kettle and in a very un-Domi like fashion he didn't go in as hard as he could. It looked like he tried not to kill their goalie. Fine, take away Roberts goal but Domi should have been able to take a penalty shot, considerng the way he has been playing it's possible he may have scored if he hadn't been tripped. The refs need to pay attention and be more consistent.
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Not to quibble Scout, but as a defensemen in a seriously competitive beer league (*snerk*), the Ottawa defensemen made a legitimate and legal play to try to defend against Domi making a pass. Mind you Domi made a great pass and Corson scored. I think the call to wave off the goal was legit because, I believe, the rule is that an opposing player can't prevent the goalie from having a chance to play the shot. But, giving Domi a penalty, was a brutal call. The difference versus what happened against the Islanders was the Leafs defenseman was beaten and trying to prevent a goal by any means he could, whereas, the Ottawa defenseman was in a good defensive position and making a legal play. The question is whether the penalty shot gets called in the playoffs. I say it should, but others disagree and frankly, since the Leafs won the series anyway, I also think it's a moot point.

To be honest, I think most of the penalties the Leafs took last night were deserved. Travis Green was lucky to be in the game past his first shift - on two of his three penalties he delivered a butt end (an egregious foul) and by the grace (gutlessness) of the refs wasn't ejected. Same on Mogilny's high stick (to the face, plus blood). I think Toronto was tired (one day off, what's that all about?) and trying to play an intimidating game, in the mindset of Round 1, as someone pointed out. I think the Leafs are in tough, missing so many important guys (Sundin, Renberg, even Cross), but I'm skeptical that any of the other games will be so lopsided. I'm not a fan of Leaf hockey, but recent history says they're winners and until the Sens prove otherwise their recent history says they're not.

Anyway, onto tonight - GO HABS GO!

References (cause it's hockey and I'm anal):
Kelly Hrudey
Patrick Lalime

Sorry.

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: NDB ]


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Well what's done is done. Game two is a whole new game and let's see what changes happen then. Domi is as smart a player now as any playing in the league and he looked like he put forth some effort not to get tripped up. He couldn't do anything to avoid running into the goal tender once his skates left the ice. The penalty was uncalled for but I can understand how the goal was taken back.

I feel sorry for Tucker even though he was charging, he got flattened. In the end it was the cool heads of the Senators (filthy bastards) that put Toronto in the hole. And I agree last night you could see they were a tired group.


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Well the oracle has a sense of humour .

It predicted what I thought was a "SCORE" of 5 to 2 for the Senators .

What it actually was saying was "five goals for Ottawa and two for Toronto ." It didn't mention that both Toronto goals would be disallowed .

One goalie interference - one after the horn .

Slick Willy ... both are true .

Domi could have evaded the sliding Ottawa player .
He "allowed himself to be tripped ."
I call it "rural free delivery ."
Admittedly, he does deserve some credit for not splicing helmets with our goalie by sliding into home though .

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: grasshopper ]


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Slick - exactly, we'll see what happens from here on out. Hockey being what it is, and momentum being generated in so many ways, I'd love to count out the Leafs, but they've broken my heart too many times. You and I can argue the relative hockey sense of Tie Domi another time, but credit where it's due, he's much more useful to his team than he was even a year ago.

Toronto obviously gets a lot of focus in NHL circles, especially given the way they've carried the banner for Canadian teams recently, and there has been some interesting commentary following last night's game. The first thing I heard was that Quinn has been trying to get through to the team that "the calvalry's not coming," i.e. they're going to have to find a way to beat the Sens without Sundin, et al. Last night, the Leafs some times seemed to be acting like the game was a throw away, but they all bring you one step closer to being out. Second, that the Leafs need to win the next game to stem the Senators tide they've got going right now. It may be that desperate - last night was the first playoff game Ottawa has won at the ACC EVER. Taking two in a row would be quite serious.

I've got ticket to Games 3 & 4 here in Ottawa. Hoping for good ones (fingers crossed).


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NDB

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But, giving Domi a penalty, was a brutal call.

I think the referee who made the call would agree with me that Domi could obviously have avoided contact with Lalime .

A penalty was deserved . Two minutes for goalie interference .


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grasshopper, I disagree, but not vehemently. Although, I recognize the point you made about possibly "allowing himself to be tripped," I thought he tried to jump, but didn't make it.

Obviously, the ref agrees with you, he called the penalty. The second Leaf goal that was disallowed was legit too when they showed the clock in the corner of the replay - we don't have to argue about that do we?


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Gotcha . (insert smiley face here)
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quote:
I feel sorry for Tucker even though he was charging, he got flattened.

I felt bad for him too, there is never a good time for an elbow, when will they ever learn. Apparently what happen to the Habs player wasn't enough of a wake up call for the guys to keep their elbows to themselves. It's that whole two wrongs thing.

I can't believe that anyone who watched the replay of the Domi being tripped would say that he could have avoided it, he tried to avoid it because he knew they had a damn good chance at scoring. You don't give up a good scoring chance to get a tripping penalty, especially as a Leafs because you know even if you get tripped, you'll end up in the box.

Sure it was a good defensive play by the Ottawa player but it was still tripping which is against the rules. I am not sure how I feel about considering an illegal move, like tripping to be called a good play, it doesn't seem like good hockey to me.

The problem to me is still the lack of consistency in the reffing. Some guys are calling everything, some are ignoring blatant charges and other dirty tricks and others truly could be accused of favouring players that have cleaner reputations. It's starting to sound a lot like figure skating. The rules have to apply to everyone equally to keep hockey true to itself.

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quote:
Sure it was a good defensive play by the Ottawa player but it was still tripping which is against the rules.
But see, the Ottawa player dropped to the ice to make a legitimate defensive play, Domi tripped on him, wasn't tripped by him, so I don't think that it was in fact tripping by the rules.

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The problem to me is still the lack of consistency in the reffing.
I agree. I think the problem that develops with the inconsistency is that the players play as though they're going to get away with stuff. Then they freak out when they called for obvious penalties. This isn't just a Leafs problem. "Playoff reffing" sucks and the league needs to decide if it's calling penalties or not, regular season or not. Players adapt to the game being called.

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What a game! I watched all six periods and woke everyone here up when the Leafs scored the winner in the third ot period. Cracks are beginning to show on the Senators and I could see a little frustration on some of their faces. Cojo, as usual, has stuffed the smack talking columnist's collective head back up their collective ass.

As for the officiating, it was nice to see them let the two teams play and decide the out come of the game themselves for a change.

Go Leafs!


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"Cojo?"

Is that some sort of Freudian slip?

Indeed, Joseph was in top form last night. The whole Leaf team showed a lot of coj - er...guts.


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The Leafs and the Canadiens...who is up for that series??!!! I'd actually stay up past my bedtime for that!!
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I hope there is a Montreal/Toronto series. Montreal will have a much easier time beating Toronto then they will if they have to play Ottawa.

Boo-Yeah.


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HA! The habs and the Leafs would be a great series only for the fact that the Leafs would sweep them and have a rest. Not to mention it would give those Montreal fanatics a reason to cry.

Cojo, yeah that must have been due to lack of sleep. What can I tell ya, no rest for the wicked.


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Hey thar Slick. Keep a civil tongue in yer head or the fanatics will git ya when we win.
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Forgive him, clersal, he knows not what he says. I mean, he's a Leafs fan.

I can't believe I've waded into this.


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I don't know why I waded in either. I don't even follow Hockey.

If I'm going to root for somebody it will bloody well be the Canadiens. What a name, Leafs. Yecch.


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If anyone asks me, I simply say, "well, I'm from Ontario. When I was growing up, we didn't have a professional hockey team."
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Good answer. Another good one. What is Hockey. Try and get someone to explain why people in peculiar costumes, skate across the ice after a black flat ball.
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Mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est l'hiver.
Mon jardin, ce n'est pas un jardin, c'est la neige.
Et ma foi, ce n'est pas une foi, c'est la glace.

Taberouette, Les Leafs à gagner!

Bienvenue Caroline!

Allez-y les Feuilles d'erable!!


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[sarcasm]

Wow, the leafs beat the Sens. La-dee-da, now I can sleep. Wup! I've still got those after-game jitters! maybe another hour or so...

[/sarcasm]


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Keep a civil tongue in yer head thar boy. Us hockey types can be pretty violent ya know.


WOO HOO LEAFS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can the cup be far behind?

Ya Ya I know it can but a buddies gotta dream.


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My prediction missed the net.
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Mcabe, Cross, Mculley, Green, Berg, these guys and others are the reason the Leafs beat the Senators.

When you see guys dropping in front of pucks like Toronto did last night, you know way the Leafs won the series. What a show!

I couldn't see any Leaf on the ice that was even thinking of tossing in the towel.

And Cujo picked a great night for a shutout.

How lucky those who live in Ottawa are to have the Leafs flag flying over cityhall. Now finally Ottawa too can have something to be proud of.

GO LEAFS!


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As usual, Keith Knight is brilliant.
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