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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 27 February 2003 02:40 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is the text of an e-mail that I just sent to the CBC Radio program (Toronto drive-home) "Here and Now"...

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As a longtime fan of Cowboy Junkies, I was pleased by your choice of "house guests" on February 26. It gave me the chance to hear a few of their tunes, as well as to hear them talk about everything from laryngitis to the pending war in Iraq. It is the latter issue that prompted me to write.

Celebrity support of the the anti-war movement is obviously welcome, but I had a vaguely uncomfortable feeling in this case. After a quick search on the web, I was reminded of why. In August 2000, approximately three months before the last federal election, Margo Timmins gave an interview (posted at this site) in which she gave the following answer to the question of who her Member of Parliament was: "I don't know and I don't care"

I'm going to suggest that every thinking Canadian should know and should care about who their Member of Parliament is, particularly if they have real concerns about issues such as world peace. My understanding is that Margo Timmins lives on a farm outside of Toronto. This would mean that her Member of Parliament is one of the herd of Liberal sheep from Ontario who will inevitably end up going along with their government in supporting George W. Bush's war. If she were to have a different MP -- say a New Democrat MP -- she would have a representative in Ottawa who sincerely and vigorously opposes the march to war. It really does make a difference who your MP is.

So, kudos to Margo and Michael for publicly opposing the war. I have no wish to question their sincerity. But, in the year or so leading up to the next federal election, I urge Margo Timmins -- and all Canadians -- to make their business to know and to care who their MP is. And, if they don't like that MP's stance on the war or any issue, they should do whatever they can to ensure that a different person is elected as their Member of Parliament.


[ 27 February 2003: Message edited by: Scott Piatkowski ]


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posted 28 February 2003 09:26 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hear, hear.

Speaking of celebrities who know and care, I've been rather surprised by Neil Young's recent silence in the face of all the recent warmongering. I wasn't surprised when he jumped in with 'Let's Roll' post 9/11, but given the the actions since of the Bush administration....

He's seldom been silent on such issues before. Has Scott's boy lost his voice?


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posted 01 March 2003 12:07 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
neil young seems to be playing golf with Republicans in his spare time.

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He is one of the mercurial figures in the history of rock, a guy who became a deity for 1970s protesters after lambasting Nixon for the Kent State massacre in his song “Ohio.”

But he might not be the guy you think he is. Young stunned his worshipers by rallying for Reagan in ‘84. And last year he received the Spirit of Liberty Award from a right-wing group called People for the American Way, using the occasion to endorse the USA/Patriot Act (which allows the government to try suspected terrorists by military tribunal). “To protect our freedoms, it seems like we’re going to have to relinquish some of our freedoms for a short period of time,” he said during his acceptance speech.



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lagatta
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posted 01 March 2003 01:16 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fucking sell-out. No, having a disabled kid does not excuse that. Didn't even know about the Nixon stuff. Don't know if I've got any old Neil Y albums or discs around, to stick in the bin.

And no, not everyone "mellows" as they reach middle-age. I know a lot of people who have remained faithful to their beliefs as youths.


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Michelle
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posted 01 March 2003 03:33 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tell it, lagatta. Not only that, but I know lots of people who get MORE radical as they get older, because the older they get, the more injustice they see.
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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 01 March 2003 02:10 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
re: music stars against the war on terror, Blur's Damon Albarn and Massive Attack's Robert del Naja were interviewed on BBC Radio 4 just before the Feb 15th protest in London, and were involved in pro-protest ads in the New Musical Express. friends told me that the speech by ms dynamite (winner of the UK Mercury prize for best newcomer) was one of the most interesting at the london demo.
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Barry Stagg
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posted 02 March 2003 12:05 AM      Profile for Barry Stagg   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Glad to see that the musical fashion police are active in this forum. If poor politically incorrect Neil Young is not more careful, he may be denied an invitation to your Human Shield Benefit, coming soon to a farmer's field near Baghdad.
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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 02 March 2003 12:54 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
poor neil young, he, and obviously you, have forgotten that "freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently" (rosa luxemburg), so, maybe we should pity him.
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lagatta
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posted 02 March 2003 06:08 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fashion Police? That's the nicest thing a neo-con has called me all day. The pompous, purple prose on the plant's website is good for a laugh, however.
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Barry Stagg
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posted 02 March 2003 10:23 AM      Profile for Barry Stagg   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny how lockstep opposition to America is considered the only orthodox position for a supposedly avant-garde/progressive/whatever/ musician to take. Better look to more sensitive artsy types like Madonna and George Michael to toe the party line on lightweight subversion since Neil Young is doing something unusual for this crowd: He is being a non-conformist.
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posted 02 March 2003 11:10 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i object to anyone, Neil Young or otherwise, supporting a wholesale erosion of civil liberties like the "Patriot Act", it was 342 pages long and passed only 45 days after sept 11th, they took the last 10 bills rejected by Congress on civil liberties grounds from the last few decades and stapled them together.

so, by conforming in that climate of fear (and when does the state of emergency end, when bush says so?), neil young is a non-conformist?


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posted 02 March 2003 12:49 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Libertarian Celebrities.

Neil Peart! One more reason to not like Rush.


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posted 02 March 2003 12:52 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh Drew! We're through! Say it ain't so! You are no longer a stud-muffin to me.

http://www.self-gov.org/carey.html


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lagatta
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posted 02 March 2003 12:56 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny that in French, a "libertaire" is an anti-authoritarian LEFTIST.

Also funny that one of their champions was Thomas Jefferson, a brilliant man and a great one in many ways, but his Enlightement views did not prevent his holding his quadroon common-law spouse of many years in slavery . Guess libertarianism is just for the usual suspects...


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posted 02 March 2003 01:02 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
going back to musicians:

Musicians in the War Zone

is an interesting project.

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Acting as field journalists, Canadian recording artists Chantal Kreviazuk, Raine Maida of Our Lady Peace, David Usher of Moist and The Rascalz, accompanied War Child Canada to Iraq, the Thai-Burmese border and Sierra Leone, respectively.

Through the use of new media, these musicians were able to connect Canadian youth with the youth living in these areas of conflict. Canadian youth were able to learn about human rights issues through the musicians' detailed exploration of the impact of war in the countries they had visited



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Barry Stagg
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posted 02 March 2003 02:01 PM      Profile for Barry Stagg   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Conformity is always in context: Where retribution from the powers-that-be is not a factor, defiance of them is without the potential pain that such action would bring in say, present day Iraq or 1930's Moscow. Thus,conformity for the profitably anti-establishment is compliance with their own fashionable group etiquette. In that sense, Neil Young goes his own road, still 'The Loner'. Tell me again how Martin Sheen, Alex Baldwin, and the musicians' collective are exposing the rank dishonesty of the American government.
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posted 02 March 2003 02:23 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Y'know, Barry, I can never follow this kind of argument:

quote:
Where retribution from the powers-that-be is not a factor, defiance of them is without the potential pain that such action would bring in say, present day Iraq or 1930's Moscow.

Are you saying that democrats in privileged places like North America should be grateful for whatever freedom they've got because, after all, Things Could Be Worse? That is no doubt true, of course, but hardly comforting to your average democrat. Nor is it the sort of thing a serious democrat would ever bother saying.

And perhaps you missed this line of Neil's, quoted above:

quote:
“To protect our freedoms, it seems like we’re going to have to relinquish some of our freedoms for a short period of time,” he said during his acceptance speech.

You ever read George Orwell, Barry?


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posted 02 March 2003 02:27 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
That is no doubt true, of course, but hardly comforting to your average democrat. Nor is it the sort of thing a serious democrat would ever bother saying.

That's OK, skdadl. Plainly our friend Barry is neither a serious nor even simply an average democrat.


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posted 02 March 2003 03:44 PM      Profile for Barry Stagg   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are your arguments always of the non sequitur variety or do you have other techniques?

Try this quote on for size, (source available if you need help):
"There is something, to me, very sinister about this emergence of a weird kind of conformity, or orthodoxy, particularly among the people who operate the media, so that you can tell in advance exactly what they will say and think about anything. It is true that so far they have not got an Inquisition to enforce their orthodoxy, but they do have ways of enforcing it which make the old thumbscrews and racks seem quite paltry."

[ 02 March 2003: Message edited by: Barry Stagg ]


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posted 02 March 2003 03:54 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That reminds me, friends are coming over and I have to go buy some cheap vino, otherwise known as ... PLONK!
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posted 02 March 2003 04:13 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can buy PLONK on Sundays?

But of course you can. You're in Montreal. Actually, I suspect that the mobile in Toronto can buy PLONK on Sundays now too, but I, being somewhat compromised mobility-wise, have yet to investigate Sunday-PLONK-buying culture thoroughly.

No matter. A toast: To

PLONK!


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posted 02 March 2003 04:20 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skdadl, I haven't been to Toronto in years (may be going this month to interpret) but in Ottawa the LCBO definitely sells plonk on Sundays now, at least downtown (at the big outlet on Rideau Street, and in the Rideau Centre).

I only wish I could afford something better than plonk!

If you have mobility problems, get your friends to establish a plonk + meals on wheels and bring over some nice food and decent vino.


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posted 19 March 2003 12:50 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The old Young is back. Neil has redeemed himself with these remarks Neil Young at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Awards 03/10/03:

"We're having a good time tonight but we're going to kill a lot of people next week. So let's not forget about that.

I don't want to ruin this but it's too real not to mention it. And music used to be about this. And it still is about this, it's a human thing. And these are human beings over there and we're making a big mistake. I feel like I'm riding in a giant gas guzzling SUV and the driver's drunk as a fucking skunk. He's drunk on power."


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