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Doug
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posted 02 February 2004 01:36 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one time I don't get dragged into watching the Superbowl (football, yawn...) and something at least momentarily worth watching happens.

"The two singers [Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake] were performing a flirtatious duet to end the halftime show, and at the song's finish, Timberlake reached across Jackson's leather gladiator outfit and pulled off the covering to her right breast."

This was supposedly accidental.


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posted 02 February 2004 02:11 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*chuckle* I heard all about that Saw a million and one screenshots pasted from equally many URLs. What's interesting is that Justin Timberlake didn't look all that embarassed, as he would have if it were really accidental.

That having been said, I suspect Mr. Timberlake is in for a good ass-chewing by the MTV execs.

[ 02 February 2004: Message edited by: DrConway ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 02 February 2004 10:33 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
This was supposedly accidental.

And, I guess, supposedly tittilating.


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Polunatic
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posted 02 February 2004 10:48 AM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1) Will Timberlake be charged?
2) Will there be a public burning of his CDs?
2) How will they blame Janet for it?
3) How will they get the Michael angle on this?

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posted 02 February 2004 11:00 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoops, I didn't see this thread when I linked to the Toronto Star story in the latest Guy Stuff thread.
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mighty brutus
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posted 02 February 2004 11:10 AM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A flash of bare tit on TV!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Civilization as we know it is DOOMED...
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posted 02 February 2004 11:18 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know, if you check out Free Dominion you would think the sky was falling, that and the two chicks kissing in one of the beer commercials has them in a right tizzy!

What's the big deal about boobies any way.


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posted 02 February 2004 11:35 AM      Profile for Shenanigans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ehhh, you've seen one boob, you've seen them all. I'm still trying to figure out the big deal.
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mighty brutus
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Scout!!?!! Where has Rabble's 'angry young woman' been???----not in a correctional facility I hope.

I may be in the minority as far as guys are concerned, but as far as watching chicks make out, I can take it or leave it....


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Nope just working too hard and without internet access for the last month at the new joby.

And mostly I am not so angry, I just get annoyed with tighy righties.

[ 02 February 2004: Message edited by: Scout ]


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All morning, I've been trying to calculate just how many Southern Baptists will have to gouge their own eyes out after inadvertently being exposed to this sight. Considering the Super Bowl ratings, I'd guess about a million.

Of course, the good baptists would've switched the channel during Satan's halftime show.


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posted 02 February 2004 12:30 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The gratuitus display of a woman's dirtypillow has sullied that grand celebration of violence that is the Super Bowl. We want our displays of male dominance, extreme fascistic nationalism, consumer lust, and erectile disfunction medication ads to retain their innocence, and not be cheapened by this cheap harlot's bosom.

The female form has no place in football (except ass-wiggling cheerleaders and lingerie models, who are important parts of the game). THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

I think burkhas are in order.


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Michelle
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posted 02 February 2004 12:37 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, Landover Baptist doesn't have any commentary on it yet. They must still be in shock!
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Landover Baptist doesn't need to comment on it; the posters on Free Republic are doing a good enough job at parodying themselves. There's a thread about it with more than 1,000 posts already, and some of the reactions are even more wacko than the ones in the Free Dominion thread.

I didn't bother reading them all, but there was a common theme among some of the posters. It went something like this: "Did I see what I think I saw? I'm so offended! I need to see it again, close up, in slow motion, to confirm that's what I really saw. Then I'll be properly offended and I'll write a letter to CBS!


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Michelle
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posted 02 February 2004 01:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haha! Yeah. "Who's got a link to it? I want to see it so I can get offended too! Hey look at this one, it's from another angle!"


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BleedingHeart
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posted 02 February 2004 01:35 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Given that most of us were warned in advance that Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake were performing I doubt many people actually were watching.
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posted 02 February 2004 01:38 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BleedingHeart:
I doubt many people were watching.
I was watching but I missed it somehow!

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posted 02 February 2004 01:40 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't tune into the game until the last hour or so because I was travelling last night. So I missed it too. Darn.
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jeff house
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posted 02 February 2004 01:56 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How could people think this was deliberate?

quote:
The two singers were performing a flirtatious duet to end the halftime show, with Timberlake singing, Rock Your Body, and the lines he sang at the moment of truth were: Im gonna have you naked by the end of this song.

With that, Timberlake reached across Jacksons leather gladiator outfit and pulled off the covering to her right breast.


so cynical you are!


Story

[edited by Michelle to fix the URL]

[ 02 February 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 02 February 2004 02:00 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From mtv.com

quote:
The tearing of Janet Jackson's costume was unrehearsed, unplanned, completely unintentional and was inconsistent with assurances we had about the content of the performance.

MTV regrets this incident occurred and we apologize to anyone who was offended by it.


Completely unintentional???


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Michelle
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The consensus around the water cooler this morning was that it was planned. Jackson's got a new album out (apparently) and Timberlake gets to be a stud. And all the guys watching the superbowl (yes, I know women watch it too, but let's face it, men are the main target) get to see some boob. Everybody wins!
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posted 02 February 2004 02:08 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In other perverse Superbowl news:

quote:
BOSTON -- New England Patriots fans turned rowdy after their team's Super Bowl victory,
flipping cars and lighting small fires as thousands swarmed the streets. One person was killed when an allegedly drunken driver backed his sport utility vehicle into a group of revelers.

Whoooooooooo! Go Team! I'll remember this night for the rest of my life!


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lagatta
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posted 02 February 2004 02:21 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There has always been far more, and more serious vandalism and looting while celebrating one's team's victory than at "Counter-summits" and other "Global Justice" events ...

Our last Stanley Cup win was a long time ago. Damage to local businesses, cars, attacks on bystanders etc. were very serious indeed.


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I saw it, given that the camera had pulled back fairly far when "it" happened I was of the view at the time that "that's not what I think it is" ie I thought she must be wearing a tape or something. Given that nine of us were watching and none of us said anything I was a bit surprised to find out about all this hubbub.
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posted 02 February 2004 03:44 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who wears a nipple ornament if she's not planning to flash her boobs?

[ 02 February 2004: Message edited by: audra estrones ]


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Ah, that must be why I thought she must have been wearing duct tape. Boy, that thing looks like an Iron Cross.
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So if it was a "wardrbe malfunction" what was supposed to happen when Timberlake pulled her breastplate?
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Fireworks?
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Kashla
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I don't think it was an accident! Brittany must be getting much more publicity than Justin right now?! It looks more like they're competing for publicity and anything goes nowadays!

Love the pic Audra!


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 02 February 2004 04:11 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*sigh* Remember when Janet was know as "the normal one"?
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Is that a nipple ornament or is she the county sheriff?
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All I want to know is whether this will put an end to the more than doubling the usual fifteen minute halftime for these stupid shows. When I watch a football game, I want to watch football. I say, less tit and more touchdowns!
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nipple ornament ?

Jeez I had a sheltered life, what will they come up with next.

I think the nipple oranment precludes, "it was an accident"


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Markbo
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posted 02 February 2004 06:33 PM      Profile for Markbo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This comment from the closed thread on the same topic

quote:
While i may admire Jackson's artistic contributions to humanity, it was in someways the wrong audience

I'm sure thats why those beer ads never show scantily clad women on commercials, because it was the wrong audience?

What hypocrites these NFL guys are, they got their cheerleaders their sex but then they are morally outraged because their dignified event was slandered, C'mon. Their biggest sponsors are the worst offenders as well as their own cheerleaders.


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Markbo?

In regards to the henny penny Freepers/FDers, I just don't understand it. It's as if they have never seen a breast before... hmmm...


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Ouch!!! That looks painful! (Just saw the photo)
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That's not a "nipple ornament", that's a good old-fashioned PASTIE!

Have you ever seen such a desperate bid for attention? Good grief!


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Just another example of how prudish we North Americans can be. Nobody bats an eye seeing people killed, injured or maimed on live TV but god forbid that we ever show a boob.


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quote:
Originally posted by Zoot Capri:
That's not a "nipple ornament", that's a good old-fashioned PASTIE!

Have you ever seen such a desperate bid for attention? Good grief!


Doesn't look like a pastie in this shot.


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Perhaps not, after all.

Actually, that makes me cringe. Ouch!

Anyway, it doesn't look all that unintentional. I can't believe all the fuss about a breast, even if it is pierced.

Why are people so weird about breasts, anyway?


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quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
It's as if they have never seen a breast before

Well for the most part it's not so much that they've never seen one as that they want to make sure no one else ever does, particularly young people.

I know you're fairly young and didn't live through it yourself, but there was a time when television was pretty much tailored to the sensibilities of conservative Christians. Married couples had twin beds, bathrooms had no toilets and above all, people had no interest in each others breasts, butts or genitals. I also know that you've undoubtedly seen some examples of it yourself through reruns, but unless you lived it 24/7, I don't know if you can truly imagine what it's like to live in a society like that.

As I wrote that last sentence, I just heard the following line on a "That 70s Show" rerun, record from the 5:00 PM afterschool showing in the Maritimes: I'd like to do it with Nina in an alley, my bare ass pressed up against a cold dumpster.

For people who liked society the way it was, the frankness of current TV is absolutely appalling. They are being asked to embrace homosexuality when they have yet to accept heterosexuality!

For very conservative Christians, they are learning they really have no place of privilege in our secular society and their beliefs will require an ever-greater withdrawl from some aspects of it.

For example, to be a devout Jew or Muslim in Canada means there are severe restrictions on where you can eat, pretty much only in a tiny minority of restaurants, in large cities only. Same thing for a vegan.

When it comes to TV, conserverative Christians more or less feel like the average Canadian would if all of a sudden restaurants all over were vegan and the few that weren't, were Kosher.

Since it's about something more important than food, (morality) it's far more upsetting to them than the example I used, of course.

So in many ways, Janet Jackson's exposed breast is not only immoral, it's frightening. It reinforces that they can't keep the real world away from their children unless they make them withdraw from the world. So it's really about a lot more than a breast.


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Oh, yawn. Wake me up when Janet Jackson undresses Justin Timberlake on TV.
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I'm still surprised whenever someone says "ass" on tv. When did that word become ok and why can you say "ass" but not "asshole"?
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You can see it here if you'd like have no kids around!
http://www.poweruplink.com/janet.wmv

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quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft:
I'm still surprised whenever someone says "ass" on tv. When did that word become ok and why can you say "ass" but not "asshole"?

You can say asshole, depending on the show and network. I believe it's used on NYPD Blue, and was definitely used on the basic cable show "Joe Schmo."


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Yeah, I'm giggling at the hubbub too. At least one parent today told me they were glad their kid didn't see it. I just laughed - so what if some kid gets a cheap thrill. It won't be their first, nor their last.

That nipple ring is actually pretty neat, from that picture that was posted. I've never seen one of those before.


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Canada is a lot more relaxed about swearing on tv. I watched The Osborns and on the American stations. Half the show was bleep,bleep, bleeping bleep, but on CTV we heard everything! I've heard "shit" "Bitch" and so on, and mostly on CBC.
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One of the hosts said "no shit, Sherlock" on 22 minutes last week.
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On the CBC News recap of the hubbub they didn't even scramble the image.
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I'm watching "This is Wonderland" right now. They just muted out the f word when one character said "this is fucked up". I'm sure I've heard "fuck" on CBC before. Maybe we should phone and complain that they muted out the word?
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BTW, I recall reading somewhere that the first deplay of bare breasts on television was on what is now TVOntario back on a New Years Eve special in the early 1970s. I definitely recall seeing occasional nudity on CBC in the late 1970s/early 1980s (you keep track of these things when you're a pre-teen )
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quote:
I know, if you check out Free Dominion you would think the sky was falling, that and the two chicks kissing in one of the beer commercials has them in a right tizzy!

Don't ever expose these people to French television or magazine adverts!


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quote:
I definitely recall seeing occasional nudity on CBC in the late 1970s/early 1980s (you keep track of these things when you're a pre-teen)

One of my most prized pubescent possessions was a videotape of Duran Duran's "Girls on Film" video -- the uncensored, nude-female-mud-wrestling version. It was played precisely once, as I recall, on some local late-nite video show, and I just happened to catch it, much to my friends' eternal gratitude. We constantly passed it amongst each other, from sweaty palm to sweaty palm.

Looking at it now, of course, it's as tame as can be, blatant sexism aside. I shudder to think what would have happened if we'd had access to the kind of hardcore smut available today to anybody and everybody at the click of a mouse.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft:
I'm sure I've heard "fuck" on CBC before. Maybe we should phone and complain that they muted out the word?

Yes you have heard fuck on the CBC. It was first used in the mid 70s. When it comes to the f-word on CBC you can never tell when it will go through and when it won't. I've heard it on Kids in the Hall and the conclusion of Degrassi High, among others. I seem to remember during the first Newsroom series there was actually one episode where it wasn't allowed and another where it wasn't. Context can play a big part in whether or not it's allowed.

While I don't keep notes or archives or anything, the evolution of censorship on TV is a bit of a hobby of mine.


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Gary Younge of The Guardian (he's reporting on the US now) was bemused by the fuss about a tit, and of course Le Monde thought the puritan Yanks were utterly daft. They reported that a conservative women's group, "Concerned Women of America", denounced the "pornographic spectacle" and blamed the FCC and the NFL for approving "a pornographic half-time show", certain that it was planned.

Another factor that nobody would even consider up here that would get them going in the Bible Belt is the interracial nature of the encounter.

But for het women, and I suspect for gay men, soccer has much more interesting unplanned or deliberately unplanned moments, with the attractive tuschies of a wide variety of young men occasionally exposed...


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Another factor that nobody would even consider up here that would get them going in the Bible Belt is the interracial nature of the encounter.

Not at all, although this might be true if it was, say, P. Diddy and some sweet-innocent looking young white girl up on stage. Southern racism intertwines with gender and class in some strange ways.

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quote:
Originally posted by Newbie:
So in many ways, Janet Jackson's exposed breast is not only immoral, it's frightening. It reinforces that they can't keep the real world away from their children unless they make them withdraw from the world. So it's really about a lot more than a breast.
Thatwas an excellent analysis Newbie. Together with Lagatta's comments about racism, they paint a good picture of the state of mind of the puritans.

I can just imagine an episode of Leave it to Beaver". The Beav blushingly says something like, "Gee Wally, this is the best football game I've ever seen". After asking his mother June to bear her breast, Ward gives the Beav a stern lecture about the importance of modesty. Wally tells Eddie Haskell who sets up an embarassing moment for the Beav where he exposes himself to the entire school at an assembly. Show ends with the Beaver saying he'll never look at another breast again, even after he's married.


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Thanks, NPP. About Lagatta's comments, 30% of the American population think interracial marriage is wrong, so I do think it's safe to assume that at least that many disapprove of interracial breast exposure on TV.

But you're wrong about the end of the show though. It would end with June saying, "Ward, you were a little hard on the beaver last night."

The real difference between Canadians and Americans, by the way, is we can say "beaver" with a straight face.


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It would end with June saying, "Ward, you were a little hard on the beaver last night."
What you won't hear her say is "I wish you could be that hard with me".

Interesting that FCC head Michael Powell (son of Colin), is fronting as the government spokesperson on the issue of decency and moral values.


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And the other difference between Americans and Canadians is some Canadians don't even get beaver jokes.

When June said Ward was hard on the beaver last night, she wasn't talking about the way he disciplined his son.


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Wow, now we know what it takes to bring Markbo out of hiding!
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Today's Globe and Mail web poll asks the question:


Janet Jackson's revealing moment during the Super Bowl halftime show has caused quite a stir in the U.S. Were you troubled by it?

Yes
4136 votes (20 %)

No
17001 votes (80 %)

Perhaps Jackson's breast should consider a run for the leadership of the Conservative Party. More Canadians have a favourable opinion of it than Harper, Stronach and Clement combined!


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Troubled by it or not troubled by it?

Hmm, was there a third option? "I think I am troubled by it, but I need to see it one more time to be sure."


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20% were troubled by it, 80% were not. No other options.

A few years ago, Bell ExpressVu did a pay-per-view of one of those godawful wrestling things not only for homes, but in theatres.

By accident, some hard core porn got cut in. There were actually parents claiming their children were traumatized by it.

Me? I'd rather a kid be looking at breasts than football, and I consider hard-core pornography to be FAR more wholesome and suitable for children than WWE wrestling with its sexist, racist and homophobic storylines.


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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:

Don't ever expose these people to French television or magazine adverts!


I imagine the fact that it's in French would annoy them enough as it is!


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What about being generally offended by the nature of the clothes?

Why is it that women are dressed in skin tight vinyl/leather, made to look like they are wearing collars, straps, other forms of bondage and control, and the men wear whatever baggy, form-hiding t-shirt and over shirt they found in the laundry bin that day? Why is it always the men tearing the "clothes" from the women?


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Just watched a Sopranos re-run in prime time and the word "cunt" was used. Another of George Carlin's seven words falls by the wayside! We're seeing a real cultural change over the last few decades.
Most Americans aren't really as prim as the stereotype.

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Sopranos runs on HBO in the States. They have never censored language and first broadcast the c-word years ago.

The difference between Canada and the U.S. in broadcasting is that the Sopranos can run unedited in prime time on CTV, a broadcast network, while TMN, the Canadian equivalent of HBO, shows explicit sex (actual genital/genital or oral/genital contact) that is not shown on HBO.

Really, when discussing the issue of explicitness on TV, TV must be separated between Canada and the United States as standards and regulations are vastly different.


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The fact that US cable shows end up being broadcast on Canadian broadcast tv does say something for the difference in broadcast standards in the two countries. Indeed, the fact that the Janet Jackson unveiling gets replayed on the National without any blurring also says a lot (come to think of it the National has aired people saying naughty words for at least 20 years).

Perhaps part of our Canadian identity is that you can say shit on TV or have it printed in a mainstream newspaper while you can't do that in the US

Anyone see the documentary on CBC last week about "speaking Canadian". Not only did they have an announcer intone "as happy as a pig in shit" as an example of a Canadian expression but they had the phrase written on the screen so you wouldn't miss it!


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TMN shows genital and oral-genital contact!? That's news to me - I had no idea. I thought that kind of stuff was reserved for the specifically designated sex channels.

Shows how much I know after years of living with either basic cable or no cable at all.


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since the NFL is so brassed off ...

quote:
In this era of retro jerseys and throwback uniforms, Florida A&M music professor Julian White has a simple solution to the furor that has engulfed the NFL and its Super Bowl halftime show.

Bring back the marching bands.

"NFL audiences used to love what we did," said White, director of FAMU's Marching 100. "Maybe now, that's something the Super Bowl will revisit. There's nothing like the electrifying effect of our marching band."

Just a week before the Super Bowl, a show in Atlanta at the Georgia Dome including marching bands from 10 traditionally black colleges drew nearly 65,000 spectators - and there wasn't even a football game.



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I would much, MUCH rather watch drum corps at halftimes! They're a really fantastic American tradition. And I'm sure there are a lots of football fans who are sick of the prolonged halftimes anyhow.

Oooh, I love marching bands, what a great idea.


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The marching band at the start of this year's halftime show was the best part.
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
TMN shows genital and oral-genital contact!? That's news to me - I had no idea. I thought that kind of stuff was reserved for the specifically designated sex channels.

That has been a fairly recent change, but with Citytv broadcasting softcore, SexTV and MenTV showing LOTS of softcore, PrideVision showing hardcore, and Showcase showing uncut European films with stuff like that, and all of them showing advertising during it, TMN had to alter its policies.

I find it fascinating, personally, that the three largest distributors of gay porn in the world are Rogers, Bell and Videotron.


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quote:
Just watched a Sopranos re-run in prime time and the word "cunt"

I heard it on Bravo about 7 years ago, on Larry Sanders. Middle of the evening, too. I think it had a guest starring role on an episode of Sex and the City as well.


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FAR more wholesome and suitable for children than WWE wrestling with its sexist, racist and homophobic storylines
Don't forget militarist & pro-war. My son loves WWE. I usually watch part of it with him so I can interject and remind him of the above. Not so sure I'd be as comfortable watching (often sexist, geared to men) hard-core porn with him. Wholesome and suitable are relative terms!

[ 04 February 2004: Message edited by: Non-partisan partisan ]


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janet owns up:

quote:
"The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my halftime show performance was made after final rehearsals," the singer said, referring to the seemingly choreographed move in her duet with Mr. Timberlake, who tore the right cup off her black leather bustier, exposing her bare breast complete with a large nipple ring.

"MTV was completely unaware of it. It was not my intention that it go as far as it did. I apologize to anyone offended, including the audience, MTV, CBS and the NFL," the singer said.

According to some reports, the stunt -- which Mr. Timberlake had earlier referred to as a "wardrobe malfunction" -- was supposed to reveal red lace underneath.



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quote:
Originally posted by Newbie:
I consider hard-core pornography to be FAR more wholesome and suitable for children than WWE wrestling with its sexist, racist and homophobic storylines.

Unfortunately, you're not far wrong here. I speak as a long-time wrestling fan (there, I said it)and there's a lot about it I can't defend.


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quote:
Originally posted by Non-partisan partisan:
Not so sure I'd be as comfortable watching (often sexist, geared to men) hard-core porn with him.

So get him some by-and-for lesbians stuff. That's a lesson in feminism most boys will absorb quite well.


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I think I'd rather just get him some new toys for now or take him to a basketball game!
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quote:
It was not my intention that it go as far as it did.

I found the quavering half-apologetic excuses a lot more unsettling than the breast exposure. To me, Janet sounded as disturbed as her brother at the press conference.


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Yeah-I thought it was Justin looking for publicity? Here it was Janet...I guess she's got a new cd going out...I don't care for both their music barf
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Whether you like the Jacksons' music or not, it's hard to deny that they've got talent. I wonder if Janet is a Republican?
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the "janet" effect chills ER

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Hit medical drama ER has dropped a scene showing the breast of an elderly woman following the furore over Janet Jackson's Super Bowl performance. The edited episode of ER is to air in the US on Thursday, with NBC saying it had "unfortunately concluded that the atmosphere created by this week's events has made it too difficult for many of our affiliates to air this shot".

ER executive producer John Wells, who has worked on the show for many years, criticised the decision, believing its adult viewers were capable "of making the distinction and adjusting their viewing habits accordingly".

He added: " This type of network behaviour is one of the primary reasons that so many of today's producers and viewers are increasingly turning to HBO and other cable outlets that do not censor responsible storytelling."



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Y'mean we could have been treated to fleeting glimpses of two elderly teats this week? It just never rains but it pours, eh?
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I heard about the ER thing last night while I was watching tv. They're also going to put a longer lag on the Oscars (supposedly live broadcast may be delayed from the air for as much as five minutes to give them time to bleep and blur), and were contemplating not having Janet or Justin present at the Grammys (I'm not positive about that part). Also saw that Justin's former bandmate was knocked off the lineup for some other major sports event's half-time (can't remember what), I guess for fear that they're all alike?

So it made me wonder if this boob thing is going to be a catalyst for a new craze in TV censorship. If they lag the Oscar broadcast by that much time, supposedly to prevent obscene content from hitting the airwaves, how do we know they won't also edit "overly" political statements by presenters and award recipients? I guess we should be thankful that Micheal Moore won last year instead of this year.


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