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Meow
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posted 09 April 2003 05:11 PM      Profile for Meow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
another anti-war celebrity...this one maybe less expected? do we care?

from canoe:

Avril Supports Canada's Stance


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ben_al
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posted 09 April 2003 05:32 PM      Profile for ben_al     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't say that Lavigne ever struck me as the political sort, a bit of a hell raiser perhaps, but I didn't expect any commentary on the war from her. Oh well, Take it where you can get it I guess.
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Michelle
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posted 09 April 2003 05:38 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She's 17 and has a busy life. I wasn't very political at 17. Give her a break. At least she's making an attempt.
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Sisyphus
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posted 09 April 2003 06:17 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She never really showed up on my radar except in the most vague sort of way before now.

Good on her!!!


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swirrlygrrl
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posted 09 April 2003 06:26 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't she 18? (I heard there was a whole hub bub about her having a beer at the Junos - BTW, a woman in my office won a Juno vicariously - the recording her choir did of a composer's piece won via the composer winning, and that being the recording of it they referred to. Six degrees of separation and all. Totally unrealted to this at all. I'll stop referring to it now.)

Anyhoo, I have to say I get fairly resentful when people try to say that we should excuse political apathy and ignorance from people because they are "young."* I get part of the point (life experience and all - the more chance you have to get out of a sheltered existence, feel pain, see and experience suffering and inequality and tragedy, hopefully there's a better chance you'll be educated about such things), but it doesn't really play - I know a lot of 17 year olds who are more educated on the issues than 50 year olds. Some people start off young and idealistic and radical (or at least interested in the world), and fade into yuppydom as they age; others see or feel the margins and radicalize as they age. Lots of people, at any age, just don't give thought to the world enough to form strong opinions on issues like this. In any case, its the person, the attitude, the heart, not their age, that determines how they act and react on stuff like this, and we shouldn't dismiss or fawn over them - both are fairly condesending in my eyes.

I'd be more inclined to say "forgive her for being inarticulate - she's at least trying to think on this, and speak out against something she thinks is wrong, even if she's not incredibly well read on it," than blaming her youth. As I said somewhere else, James Caan gave just stupid reasons for the war, and he's several times older than Avril.

BTW - her music still blows in my mind. And its not punk. As do the Dixie Chicks.

*Inspired by Michelle's comment above, but not meant to attack her in any way.


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wei-chi
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posted 09 April 2003 06:44 PM      Profile for wei-chi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has she made any attempt to finish high school?
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dale cooper
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posted 09 April 2003 06:45 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
High school's for losers and people who aren't mega pop stars.
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dale cooper
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posted 09 April 2003 06:58 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was mean. I'm sorry.

But here's a funny tangent story - one time I saw Mena Suvari on a talk show and she claimed she couldn't finish high school because "It was so hard and you had to do all this thinking all the time."


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Doug
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posted 09 April 2003 07:02 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shoot! I can't crush Avril Lavigne CDs now without appearing to be making a pro-war statement.
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audra trower williams
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posted 09 April 2003 08:25 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
swirrly: Code red. I misread your "her music blows in my mind" as "her music blows my mind"
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googlymoogly
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posted 09 April 2003 08:46 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I agree that she isn't punk. I do think it's great that she's saying what she believes , but the only reason I don't take much more stock in it than that is that regardless of her age, she's a little too holier-than-thou for my taste. I mean, with the "I'm better because I can sell platinum CDs without selling my body" crapola (the fact that she has to repeat this line all the time). That may be true, but a person's "image" and they way they dress, however that may be, should speak for itself, IMHO .

But as for the anti-war message, keep it up .

[ 09 April 2003: Message edited by: googlymoogly ]


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Dr. Mr. Ben
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posted 09 April 2003 08:58 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, it ain't punk. It's walletchain pop.
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kingblake
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posted 10 April 2003 12:33 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
whatcha mean its not punk. she has dyed hair doesn't she? and she wears a tie in a total "fuck the establishment" way.

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Meow
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posted 10 April 2003 12:58 AM      Profile for Meow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its good that shes making a statement, but she really could be a BIT more articulate....lest people think that anti-war folk hold an uneducated and simplistic view of the world...

I don't think she can totally use her youth as an excuse...I am a young person, and i'm VERY political. I've been this way since I was 8 years old and I picked up a book on animal rights at the library...it kind of went from there. It made things harder as I got older too....A 12 year old Germaine Greer fan is rarely an understood or accepted thing....

Avril probably knows, like so many of us young women (and many young men) that its more acceptable socially at that age to be inarticulate and hold simplified versions of their opinions.

[ 10 April 2003: Message edited by: Meow ]


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Moredreads
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posted 10 April 2003 01:41 AM      Profile for Moredreads     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
swirrly: Code red. I misread your "her music blows in my mind" as "her music blows my mind"

Rehashed Alanis Morisette. New face. Wierd clothes.

I'm tired of alt-pop overlayed with squeeky vocals with a slight attitude. How long has it been 10 years now?


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posted 10 April 2003 01:48 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know what people expect from pop music. Dixie chics banal? Well yes. Avril Livine not Mozart? Well yes.


It's just pop music-- bubble gum music-- chew it until the flavour is gone then spit it out.

Pop music was never intended to compete with John Milton. It doesn't solve problems or illuminate the human condition. As Pete Townsend said, all it's for is to enable you to put your troubles on the floor and dance on them for two minutes and fifty seconds at a time.

Is Avril Livine Punk? or faux punk? or this years Alanis Morriset? And how many pop stars can dance on the head of a pin?

Who cares. In 18 months we'll be saying Avril who.

In the mean time, dance.

[ 10 April 2003: Message edited by: TommyPaineatWork ]


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posted 10 April 2003 01:48 AM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like the fact that she wears a tie. A subversive gesture. I noted that she was not allowed to wear it in photo ops with the Prime Minister. Guess it would have damaged his cred...


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swirrlygrrl
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posted 10 April 2003 02:48 AM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It's just pop music-- bubble gum music-- chew it until the flavour is gone then spit it out....Pop music was never intended to compete with John Milton. It doesn't solve problems or illuminate the human condition.

Some of us object to this attitude towards music - with all the greats out there, who do compete with Milton (some of my faves - Leonard Cohen, Tori Amos, Elvis Costello, Bob Dylan, Ani DiFranco - I could go on!), the idea of music as a disposable commodity, like a plastic diaper, while often a fitting comparison, offends me. But then again, I can't remember the last time I purchased something that would fall into the "pop" category - if its fizzy and full of empty calories (or saccharine) and rots your teeth, its not something I want to waste my time, energy and money on. There's better out there - and I don't think I should have to apologize for feeling that way.


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TommyPaineatWork
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posted 10 April 2003 03:14 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
its not something I want to waste my time, energy and money on. There's better out there - and I don't think I should have to apologize for feeling that way.

Indeed not, but I think there's value in music that just makes you happy for a moment or two, also. It may be "disposable", but that doesn't mean it doesn't have value, either.

It's to do with the listeners expectations. I can condemn, for example, a band like "Nickle Back" because it's not just banal, it's depressing. But then that's me. Melancholy and depressing might be the release that some people need. And who am I to gainsay that-- other than for myself.

Looking back at my youth and interest in music, I do condemn myself for not being a lot more ecclectic. And, I've found that in trying to be ecclectic it has helped me to not project unreasonable expectations on this artist or that.

I don't think April Livine is trying to pass herself off as Leonard Cohen.


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posted 10 April 2003 08:57 AM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tommy I think you're right on. Christ if we constantly did nothing, read nothing, heard nothing unless it had great social and political import the world would be incredibly boring.

So here's to ice cream, pop music, Barney, and Janis Joplin

I would like to do a song of great social & political import
And it goes like this...


Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?


Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?
Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me.
I wait for delivery each day until three,
So oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?


Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?
I'm counting on you, Lord, please don't let me down.
Prove that you love me and buy the next round,
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?


Everybody!


Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends,
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?


That's it!
*hehehehe*

(editd to remove couldn't see over childs head typos. )

[ 10 April 2003: Message edited by: Debra ]


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Michelle
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posted 10 April 2003 09:02 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love that song!
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