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audra trower williams
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posted 27 January 2004 12:42 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I couldn't take my eyes off of the train wreck. Did anyone else see it? It gave me near-fatal embarassment cringes.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 27 January 2004 01:22 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
FAIR's Action Alert on the new DM show

quote:
Dennis Miller’s new CNBC political talk show hasn’t even debuted yet, but it’s already mixed up in a serious conflict of interest.

The conflict-- brought to our attention by weblogger Roger Ailes (no relation, apparently, to the Fox News chief)-- began with the show’s hiring of Mike Murphy as a consulting producer. The problem isn’t that Murphy is a well-known Republican campaign consultant whose past clients have included John McCain, Jeb Bush and the 1992 Bush/Quayle campaign; the problem is that Mike Murphy already has a job.

Murphy, who was a key political advisor in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s 2003 campaign for governor of California, still works for Schwarzenegger. Currently Murphy is a leader of Governor Schwarzenegger’s California Recovery Team and Californians for Schwarzenegger, two groups created by the governor to maintain his political image, raise money and promote his policies (AP, 1/2/04). Indeed, Murphy has become so identified with Schwarzenegger that a January 21 Los Angeles Times article referred to him as “Schwarzenegger's chief strategist.” The website of Murphy’s political consulting firm, DC Navigators, lists the California Recovery Team (which has been in operation for less than a month) as a client.


Ontario voters got a taste of Mike Murphy's work when he advised the Tories on negative campaigning prior to the 1995 election. His license plate is reputedly "GO NEG".


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audra trower williams
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posted 27 January 2004 01:44 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Miller was stilted and apologetic, while smarmy and condescending. Worst part:

Miller: If you go to the border at night with a flashlight, it's like the Boston Marathon with ponchos!

Schwarzenegger: Haha. I love your lines.

Also? When did Naomi Wolf get to be so cloying?


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 27 January 2004 02:07 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by audra estrones:
Also? When did Naomi Wolf get to be so cloying?

Around the time she signed on to be an "image consultant" for Al Gore.


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posted 28 January 2004 02:33 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Miller used to be more even handed in his political jokes years ago, but he's been moving to the right for some time. I think the attack on the World Trade Center has given him license to unleash a mean streak that was likely always there.

One has to remember that it's much easier getting work in the media as a conservative than as a liberal, unless you specialize in being a milk toast-straw man liberal for the fairly dim conservatives to beat up on.

Consider also that Miller doesn't have much choice in these things, not with his extraordinary track record of one flamboyant screaming failure after another.

..........is he related to Francis Coppola by any chance...........?

I mean, it explains Nicholas Cage.

[ 28 January 2004: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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posted 28 January 2004 02:48 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Miller reminds me of Gollum: A simpering, slimy, sycophantic, two-faced snaggletoothed jerkoff who will say or do anything to be in favour with those who wield power.

"We lovessss the maaaster! *hissssss*"

A putrid fascist scumbag.


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posted 28 January 2004 08:22 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I used to like him so much better on SNL. I haven't seen the new Dennis Miller show, but I'm not too upset about that, seeing as I don't seem to be missing much.
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audra trower williams
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posted 28 January 2004 10:30 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He says "September 11th changed me. I'm suprised it didn't change more people."
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Holy Holy Holy
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posted 28 January 2004 11:40 AM      Profile for Holy Holy Holy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A lot of Americans were changed. They went from living in a bubble oblivious to their government's imperialism to being proud and passionate defenders of their government's imperialism.

Not all Americans are assholes but a majority of them are.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 28 January 2004 11:45 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Not all Americans are assholes but a majority of them are.

Certainly all of the black ones anyway, eh?


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posted 28 January 2004 11:48 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Not all Americans are assholes but a majority of them are.

I'd love to see the supporting data for this.


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audra trower williams
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posted 28 January 2004 11:51 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah. That's not helpful, HHH.
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Albireo
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posted 28 January 2004 11:59 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
..nor true, either.

[ 28 January 2004: Message edited by: albireo ]


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drgoodword
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posted 28 January 2004 12:28 PM      Profile for drgoodword   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by paxamillion:
I'd love to see the supporting data for this.

I don't believe these kind of generalizations are in any way good, and certainly they are rarely, if ever, accurate.

That being said, I find this sort of thing disturbing about our neighbours to the south:

"Nearly three out of four Americans support a US-led war on Iraq, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released yesterday [20 March 2003] showed."

Those are real people, real opinions, not coerced, freely stated and honestly meant. An overwhelming majority of more than 300 million people giving their support for a war that most of the rest of the world clearly saw as illegal, immoral and wholly unnecessary. What can one say about such a nation?


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Albireo
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posted 28 January 2004 12:35 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That it has been brain-washed. There is probably much more ignorance than malice in those numbers.
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Sisyphus
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posted 28 January 2004 01:26 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm as knee-jerk anti-American as the next Canuck but I agree that characterizing the "majority" of any group so large as "assholes" is pointless. Also,

quote:
Those are real people, real opinions, not coerced, freely stated and honestly meant. An overwhelming majority of more than 300 million people giving their support for a war that most of the rest of the world clearly saw as illegal, immoral and wholly unnecessary. What can one say about such a nation?

I would suggest that before we think of things say about the US, that we consider an analogous poll conducted on the auspicious occasion of President Bush's visit to the land of his toady:


quote:
The truth of public opposition to an illegal, unprovoked invasion, expressed in the biggest demonstration in modern history, is being urgently revised. In a valedictory piece on 30 December, the Guardian commentator and leader writer Martin Kettle wrote: "Opponents of the war may need to be reminded that public opinion currently approves of the invasion by nearly two to one."

A favorite source for this is a Guardian/ICM poll published on 18 November, the day Bush arrived in London, which was reported beneath the front-page headline "Protests begin but majority backs Bush visit as support for war surges." Out of 1,002 people contacted, just 426 said they welcomed Bush's visit, while the majority said they were opposed to it or did not know. As for support for the war "surging," the absurdly small number questioned still produced a majority that opposed the invasion.

Across the world, the "majority backs Bush" disinformation was seized upon – by William Shawcross on CNN ("The majority of the British people are glad he [Bush] came..."), by the equally warmongering William Safire in the New York Times and by the Murdoch press almost everywhere. Thus, the slaughter in Iraq, the destruction of democratic rights and civil liberties in the west and the preparation for the next invasion are "normalized.


From John Pilger.


For my part, I have always thought of Dennis Miller as a smarmy, intellectual wannabe whose appearance on SNL heralded its decline. That he is now one of the bootlicking court jesters does not in any way diminish the opinion of him that his previous work has engendered in me.

He is just another member of the growing chorus of "normalizers" and on that score is of little importance. What we should be more concerned about, I believe, is what Pilger says in a speech linked to by
drgoodword and quoted by him on that thread.

[ 28 January 2004: Message edited by: Sisyphus ]


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