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Snuckles
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posted 04 July 2007 12:45 AM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
JULIAN BELTRAME

Canadian Press

July 3, 2007 at 10:42 PM EDT

OTTAWA — Canadians may not be as religious as Americans, but a new poll suggests they are not prepared to rule out God's essential role in creation.

The Canadian Press-Decima Research survey suggests that 60 per cent of Canadians believe God had either a direct or indirect role in creating mankind, shattering the myth that Canadians had long ago put their faith strictly behind the scientific explanation for creation.

The poll suggests Canadians divide in essentially three groups on the issue of creation: 34 per cent of those polled said humans developed over millions of years under a process guided by God; 26 per cent said God created humans alone within the last 10,000 years or so; and 29 per cent said they believe evolution occurred with no help from God.

“These results reflect an essential Canadian tendency,” said pollster Bruce Anderson. “We are pretty secular, but pretty hesitant to embrace atheism.”

The belief that God had a direct or indirect role in creation was widespread among the 1,000 respondents questioned between June 21 and 24. A majority of those polled held this view in every region of the country, in rural and urban areas, and regardless of education.


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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 04 July 2007 04:23 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm very dubious about this one, particularly as they aren't clear as to the polling question. There is a statistical tendency for people to avoid the 'extremes' of opinion during a poll. Even those with relatively strong and set views will tend to moderate them to avoid being seen as extreme. If they asked this with more than 4 choices, or 'on a scale of one to ten', they were bound to increase the numbers willing to admit the vague possibility that God reached down and poked a giant golden finger into the process once or twice.

For example, I find this answer very peculiar: "26 per cent said God created humans alone within the last 10,000 years or so."

I've never met anyone who thought any god created mankind alone, but played no part in creation otherwise. Who would choose this answer - unless it was presented as the moderate mid-point on a long continuum of possibilities?


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Boom Boom
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posted 04 July 2007 04:34 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"26 per cent said God created humans alone within the last 10,000 years or so."

Given that the earth is likely hundreds of millions of years old, what took the Almighty so long?


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Caissa
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posted 04 July 2007 04:46 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm left wondering if this 26% are all members of creationist sects or simply woefully ignorant of the length of earth's history? My cynical side leans to the latter.
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jeff house
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posted 04 July 2007 05:49 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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OTTAWA — Canadians may not be as religious as Americans, but a new poll suggests they are not prepared to rule out God's essential role in creation.

This statement of things would apply to agnostics, for example, since they don't "rule" God "in" or "out".


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posted 04 July 2007 05:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Lard Tunderin' Jeezus:
For example, I find this answer very peculiar: "26 per cent said God created humans alone within the last 10,000 years or so."

I've never met anyone who thought any god created mankind alone, but played no part in creation otherwise. Who would choose this answer - unless it was presented as the moderate mid-point on a long continuum of possibilities?


I read this today in the paper. The teaser was dumb because they were making like creationism was taking over Canada, when in fact, it isn't.

There were three major questions. One was whether people believe in evolution over millions of years, guided by God. Another was whether they believe in evolution without believing in God guiding it. The third was the one you mention above, the one about whether God created humankind alone (without the help of evolution, in other words) in the last 10,000 years.

Only 26% believe in the flat earth theory. A combined 63% believe in evolution, whether they believe it is guided by God or not. So, almost 2/3 of the country believes in science over "creation science".

Not sure what that means for the other 11%, but oh well.


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Frustrated Mess
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posted 04 July 2007 07:03 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is also a great many people who choose to believe in some sort of supreme being, for whatever reason, but do not subscribe to any specific theological thought nor belong to any organized religion.
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posted 04 July 2007 09:40 AM      Profile for JayPotts   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:
There is also a great many people who choose to believe in some sort of supreme being, for whatever reason, but do not subscribe to any specific theological thought nor belong to any organized religion.

I think I fall into that category. I am not too big on most organized religions but I certainly believe in a higher power and trying to be a good person.
Also I was thinking about that 26% that believe God created humans alone in the last 10000 years. I have met people that believe that evolution was Gods plan and only after the world had evolved enough God created humans as the last peice of the puzzle kinda thing.

[ 04 July 2007: Message edited by: JayPotts ]


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posted 04 July 2007 10:28 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I am not too big on most organized religions but I certainly believe in a higher power and trying to be a good person.

Is the latter incumbent upon the former?

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Polly Brandybuck
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posted 04 July 2007 10:41 AM      Profile for Polly Brandybuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh come on now, have you ever met a nasty Christian?
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JayPotts
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posted 04 July 2007 11:47 AM      Profile for JayPotts   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:

Is the latter incumbent upon the former?

Not necessarily I feel that that I don't have to believe in a specific religion and follow specific rules of that particular religion to believe that there is a higher power.


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posted 04 July 2007 11:56 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That doesn't answer the question ...

quote:
I certainly believe in a higher power and trying to be a good person.

Is the latter incumbent upon the former?


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JayPotts
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posted 04 July 2007 12:19 PM      Profile for JayPotts   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I certainly believe in a higher power and trying to be a good person.

I thought you were asking don't you have to believe in a religion to believe in a higher power.
If you are asking if you have to be good person first to beleive in a higher power, then the answer is no.


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posted 04 July 2007 12:31 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe FM meant "dependent".

Do you have to believe in a higher power to strive to be a good person?


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Maybe FM meant "dependent".

Do you have to believe in a higher power to strive to be a good person?


No you don't


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posted 04 July 2007 12:52 PM      Profile for Naci_Sey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

There were three major questions. One was whether people believe in evolution over millions of years, guided by God. Another was whether they believe in evolution without believing in God guiding it. The third was the one you mention above, the one about whether God created humankind alone (without the help of evolution, in other words) in the last 10,000 years.

Only 26% believe in the flat earth theory. A combined 63% believe in evolution, whether they believe it is guided by God or not. Not sure what that means for the other 11%



Perhaps it represents those who refused to answer, as I would have done. All three questions assume the existence of 'God'.

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posted 06 July 2007 11:51 PM      Profile for trippie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Michelle..


The article title in the Toronto Star was misleading...

most people understand evelution..

The 34% are sitting on the fence. Or you could say hedging their bets....


This is the way I look at it..

The believe in god and creation was insilled in our culture before the understanding of evelution..

So in fact the citizians of Canada are moving to wards the understanding of evelution and getting rid of the believe on god and the need for religion...

You can see this in the fact of church closures with each new generation becoming less and less likely to attend church other then on spacific holidays..

But the question remains... why would the Star try to mislead?

For that answer we would have to look at the needs of the ruling elite and the farious ways they have controled us....

One of those ways was through religion..

They are having ahard time with this war of civilizations between islam and christianity...

You need people to belive in one of the two for it to continue...


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