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badlydrawngirl
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posted 30 July 2003 04:35 PM      Profile for badlydrawngirl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
following on from the keanu thread, i was thinking of other actors that surely don't deserve any accolades (i was going to say deserve any success, but some are succesful 'celebrities', but that's - as they say in hammy hamster - another story).

tom cruise - jerry mcguire (well, any movie really). i was quite looking forward to this after having heard about how great the film and tom cruise were. i actually thought it would redeem him. nope. it just reinforced his crappiness.


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posted 30 July 2003 05:08 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Tom Cruise has been good in some things and not in others. I can take or leave him. I certainly don't think he's terrible.

On the other hand, he was incredibly good in Magnolia. Actually, everyone in that film was great. It's really neat to see the one director/writer use the same actors over and over, and see the different roles he writes for them.


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posted 30 July 2003 05:17 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Tom Cruise just stinks. I can't watch him without thinking of "Tom Cruise the megastar", so I never believe him in any of his performances. I even recoil at the thought because I don't want to feed his ego even that much. Blech, he's just so lousy. Especially in Eyes Wide Shut, which I only just recently watched. What a huge disappointment.

I'm not quite so disgusted by Nick Cage, but nearly.


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posted 30 July 2003 08:52 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I can't watch him without thinking of "Tom Cruise the megastar"

EXACTLY!!!! He always has to be Tom Cruise (TM). Drives me NUTS! Even his good performances are never relaxed or natural - his charm is very forced, and as such I can't respect him as an actor.

Heh heh heh Keanu - no more need be said.

Aside from that, Winona Ryder deserves the "worst female actor who somehow manages to land choice roles anyways" prize - sorry, baby, but opening your pretty eyes really wide is not acting. And to think, she showed such promise in "Heathers" - how did she get to her terrible performance in the even worse movie, "Girl, Interrupted"?


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posted 30 July 2003 10:04 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Charlton Heston: Worst actor ever.
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posted 31 July 2003 10:58 AM      Profile for badlydrawngirl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh yes, how could i forget about nicholas cage. snake eyes has to be the worst movie in the history of film. i almost cried it was so bad and was forced to sit through it as my brother never likes to leave a movie no matter how bad it is (he was driving so i was stuck).
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posted 31 July 2003 11:18 AM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Better to spend your time playing with the hand dryers in the bathroom than sit through a Nick Cage performance - they blow instead of sucking. More entertaining, too.
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posted 31 July 2003 11:31 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Um, can I nominate those people who do the commercials for The Canadian Legal Will Kit
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posted 31 July 2003 11:33 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But. But. Those are Real People. Right? Right?
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posted 31 July 2003 11:39 AM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Canada has a right to toot our horns on this score: I nominate the entire cast of The Trouble With Tracy. Kudos to the writers and director, too. Unintentional awfulness of such relentless perfection is rare. Ed Woods was an amateur.

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posted 31 July 2003 12:01 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A couple of months back there was an inspired hoax, when someone "leaked" the information that they were going to revive The Trouble With Tracy.

Inspired by this, and vague memories of having seen the thing (possibly in afternoon reruns) when home from school faking illness as a child, I did some web searching. Turns out the "scripts" for that thing were based on some old scripts for a radio comedy from the late '40s or early '50s.

So it turns out, the original writers were of the vintage of Ed Wood.


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posted 31 July 2003 12:16 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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So it turns out, the original writers were of the vintage of Ed Wood.

Ooooh, stop! I'm getting chills.

I shoulda guessed from that episode where a stray giant squid follows Tracy home to live in their bathroom .


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posted 31 July 2003 02:54 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I said I was gonna on the really good actors thread, so I gotta put Jennifer Connelly down here because all she ever does is cry and look pretty.

At least in all the movies I've ever seen her in--which include Labrynth and Requiem for a Dream, and they're both movies that I think are great otherwise.


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posted 31 July 2003 03:09 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But damn does she ever look pretty! (rolls tongue back in) Possibly one of the most beautiful women ever, definately up there with Liz Taylor. I actually have no problem with her as an actress - her brilliance hasn't struck me, but neither has her suckiness. She was the only thing that made A beautiful mind as close to bearable as it was. And on that note I put forth the name Russel Crowe as bad actor extraordinaire. So you look good in gladiator gear - do us all a favour and stick to that.
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posted 31 July 2003 06:37 PM      Profile for pity sing        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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But damn does she ever look pretty! (rolls tongue back in)

Huhh?!


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posted 31 July 2003 06:51 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You need to watch more cartoons if that confused you...
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posted 07 August 2003 01:55 AM      Profile for West Coast Lefty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tom Cruise and Nick Cage: agreed that they usually suck, but there are exceptions. Cruise was quite good in Minority Report and Cage was excellent in Leaving Las Vegas and Adaptation.

Worst actress: Denise Richards. Watching her in The World is Not Enough (James Bond flick) is just painful, she has no conviction in her delivery and her "character" is non-existent. She has zero chemistry with Pierce Brosnan and it's merciful that her part in that movie is pretty small. She was a little better in Drop Dead Gorgeous but not much.

That being said, as was stated re Jennifer Connely, Denise is an absolute jaw-dropping, tongue-dragging GODDESS and I would gladly pay $8 to watch her read the phone book for two hours, ideally in her halter top/shorts outfit from Wild Things (the Neve Campbell/DR love scenes are just yummy in that flick ). Forgive the gratuitous drooling here...

Worst actor: Ben Affleck. I never get the sense that he's really fully engaged in his roles, not that I've seen that many of his movies. I think he's just coasting on his looks and charm for the most part. Did anybody see Changing Lanes with him and Samuel L. Jackson? It was actually a pretty good flick, but you could tell Ben was sweating buckets trying to act at the same level of a top-notch actor like Jackson. He was a little better than usual in that one, but I still didn't buy it for a second.

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posted 07 August 2003 03:06 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Tom Cruise and Nick Cage: agreed that they usually suck, but there are exceptions. Cruise was quite good in Minority Report and Cage was excellent in Leaving Las Vegas and Adaptation.

I haven't seen Minority Report, but I have a feeling it won't impress me. And you're right about Nick Cage in Adaptation, but I thought he was painful to watch in LLV, and not in the way he was supposed to be. I just never ever believe him. Except in Adaptation, which was an absolutely stellar movie.

And yeah, Ben Affleck really does suck, but I like him in Good Will Hunting. I don't think it was a role that pushed him too far though, as I believe it was pretty much based on his own self. He just got paid for being himself, it would seem.

He was definitely the worst part of Daredevil. I just don't know why they picked him. Anyone could have made a better superhero than him. Anybody.


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posted 07 August 2003 03:54 PM      Profile for Meowful   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't really care for Tom Cruise either but I did like him in Vanilla Sky. Good to see Mr. Perfect, not so perfect. And Penelope Cruz is just sooo beautiful...

I liked Cage in "Face Off" with John Travolta. Also, "Bringing in the Dead" was a perfect role for Cage's "simmering moroseness"...

editted to add: I really hated "Eyes Wide Shut". Tom is such a slut -- he probably is in real life too.

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posted 07 August 2003 04:54 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I don't really care for Tom Cruise either but I did like him in Vanilla Sky. Good to see Mr. Perfect, not so perfect. And Penelope Cruz is just sooo beautiful...

Abre los ojos (sorry if I misspelled it)/ Open Your Eyes, which is the original, Spanish version of the movie is WAAAAY better, and it still has Penelope in it, in the same role.

I just get this creepy crawly feeling about Tom Cruise. He totally pushed for the Hollywood version of the film to be made, and I, for one, think that it's only because he wanted to do love scenes with Penelope and Cameron Diaz in real life. He's just such a scuzbag. And he can't act at all. All the emotional scenes in Vanilla Sky were torturous to watch. He's a phony through and through--and you'd think that that might be alright for an actor, but he's even a phony actor.

But that's just me...

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posted 07 August 2003 05:08 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's with all this Tom Cruise bashing? There are a lot of actors out there a lot worse than him. He may not be a great "actor" actor, but he's a very good film star, in the Cary Grant tradition. I thought he was very good in Risky Business and The Firm, and I thought his performance in Rain Man was better than Dustin Hoffman's one-note offering. Eyes Wide Shut may have not been the best role for him, but I thought he did well in Vanilla Sky and Minority Report.
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posted 07 August 2003 05:17 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even more disturbing is the inference people are making that you can tell what a person is "really" like by their performances. As an actor, I find that really troubling.

We don't know these people. And who they are does not necessarily have any relevance to whether or not they are good.

And I liked Tom Cruise in Minority Report very much.


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posted 07 August 2003 05:34 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm basing a lot of my Tom Cruise bashing on tabloid reports of his interpersonal skills. Granted, they're not the greatest source of factual information, but his performances in movies play into my perception of him in a sort of corroborating sense, rather than being the basis for these opinions.

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Even more disturbing is the inference people are making that you can tell what a person is "really" like by their performances. As an actor, I find that really troubling.

Despite the fact that actors take on the persona of their character, and it's all fiction and whatever, I do think that a person's own self is evident in their performance all the time. Their physical mannerisms, and the facial expressions that accompany the lines they speak betray a fair bit of who the actor is, I think. I know that they're directed and coached and that they're performing, but they're still a person, and who they are is not completely obscured by the character they play or the costume they wear.

I think it's enough to get a general sense of what the person is like, though of course, it's not fair to assume you know them.


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posted 07 August 2003 06:24 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ewen MacGregor is one of the best of the new generation of actors. Not only can he act, he can sing very well.

John Leguizamo - Very good
John Cusack - ok


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posted 08 August 2003 02:24 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's a point in some movies where an actor can pause in a situation, and somehow he or she is able to convey what they are thinking without speaking.

I'm told that's called "a face that reads."

When Cage and Cruise do this, the only thought process I can discern is Ralph Wigham's famous line "my cat's breath smells like cat food."


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posted 08 August 2003 08:29 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like Nicolas Cage.

Okay, bring it on, I can take it.


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posted 08 August 2003 09:52 AM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Their physical mannerisms, and the facial expressions that accompany the lines they speak betray a fair bit of who the actor is, I think.

Yeah, but mannerisms do not a personality make. It's like reading a book of fiction by an author and thinking that you can know what the author is like by what he writes.

I don't disagree you can see mannerisms that carry over role to role, but really, they don't necessarily tell you about the person.

I have a habit, that I'm trying to break, of leaning forward from the top of my chest towards the person I'm speaking to when I'm on stage. Sometimes it works for the character and I use it, sometimes it doesn't, and I try to stop it, but sometimes it sneaks in anyway.

But I don't think that even if you saw me in many plays and noticed that I have a tendency to do that, you could extrapolate anything about what that means for my personality.

And even if a person is a complete and utter jerk, they can still do good work.

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posted 08 August 2003 10:37 AM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I don't disagree you can see mannerisms that carry over role to role, but really, they don't necessarily tell you about the person.

I disagree. I think that those things that an actor does in every movie are the things that he/she most likely does in their own "real" life. I'm a big believer in the relevance and importance of body language, and I think that a person's mannerisms, and "ticks" or physical habits, or even a way they might speak etc., all that gives you crucial information about what the person is like. It's not really enough to base your judgement of the person on (if you're gonna judge them at all), but it counts as real information all the same. I think.

I guess I just really think that despite the fiction of the role they're playing, an actor is always limited in who or what they can become by who they actually are, such that who they are is always and ever present in their performance.


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