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obscurantist
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posted 13 November 2005 06:39 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The ground rules: This is a thread about what a great guy Neil Young is, and the brilliance of his music. Please do not even bring up such sensitive topics as Neil's support for Ronald Reagan, the CSNY reunion album "American Dream", or the slanderous accusation that Neil sings like a gargling cat.

For starters, what's your favourite Neil Young album / song? Mine is probably "Tonight's the Night" (album), but I've only listened to about 10-15 of his albums (After..., Everybody Knows..., Harvest, Harvest Moon, Sleeps With..., Mirror Ball, Greendale, On the Beach, Comes a Time, Silver and Gold, Buffalo Springfield, and a two-disk Crazy Horse live album), so I figure there are probably many classics of his that I have yet to discover.


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posted 13 November 2005 06:50 PM      Profile for StockwellDay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sugar Mountain, Cinnamon Girl and Pocohontas are pretty dear to my heart.

I'm seen him twice: with Crazy Horse and with his family as backup outdoors on Long Island. So I've seen his hard side and his lonesome side too.


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posted 13 November 2005 06:56 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by obscurantist:

Please do not even bring up such sensitive topics as Neil's support for Ronald Reagan...



But, but... damn!....

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When I was quite young (tee hee) my stepdad bought 'Comes a Time' for me and I wasn't that impressed. But then a few years later I saw film on Kent State and heard the song 'Ohio' and was blown away. I have my favourites when it comes to Neil, mainly the hits, but 'Ohio' has stuck with me. For me it encapsulates the end of the sixties and the period when it got very dark, possibly cynical. I once dated a woman from Ohio and kept pushing for us to drive down to Kent State.

I saw Young once in the mid 80s, a bit more of the techno era. I think for the most part Neil has done it his way and I respect that. I have forwarded this thread to a friend who probably knows what Young had for breakfast this morning.


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posted 13 November 2005 07:14 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Okay, I was just kidding (mostly). I actually love Neil's music. Always have, always will. The thing that really stokes me about Neil though is that he is still going strong after all these years, inspiring younger musicians and bands (shout out to Pearl Jam fans! ) -- and he's still recording and releasing new, original material and has not been reduced (or is that tempted) to going the "nostalgia" route of so many other (and dare I say lesser) acts. He reminds me a lot of Willie Nelson in that regard.
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Yeah, the song "Ohio" has always resonated with me too, despite my being born years after it was made, and despite my not being a big fan of most of the other stuff I've heard by CSNY. It's very much a song in response to a particular event, and to a particular time, and yet it still seems to carry weight. Perhaps because (North) Americans still "gotta get down to it ... shoulda been done long ago."
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posted 13 November 2005 11:00 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Okay, not like it's a contest or anything, but the "Discuss Neil Young from an anti-Neil Young point of view" thread has twelve responses, and this one only has five.

If Mandos' thread becomes the main Neil Young thread, I will have no choice but to concentrate on that thread, and to troll it with blatantly pro-Neilyoungatory baiting spam.

[ 13 November 2005: Message edited by: obscurantist ]


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posted 13 November 2005 11:03 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I love most of Neil's work, but what's with "when God made me"? Yuck. I've been thinking of getting "Prairie Wind", but not if it has that clunker on it. I love his work with C, S, & N.
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posted 13 November 2005 11:23 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I still have a Buffalo Springfield LP laying around somewhere. Good stuff, man.

I really like his later work too, "Old Man," "Heart of Gold" and "Keep on Rockin' in the Free World".


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posted 13 November 2005 11:28 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks, Boom Boom.

I'm not saying we have to be unstintingly positive about Neil Young. I just don't want people coming on this thread who don't agree with the philosophical foundations of the very idea of Neil Young.

Clearly you are someone who reveres Neil while acknowledging that as a mortal man, he has flaws. However, I would question whether the example you give is an example of a flaw in Neil.

I think he makes a conscious point of placing at least one clunker of a song on each album that he makes, in order to throw the brilliance of the rest of the album into relief. Like the way "After the Gold Rush" ends with the execrable "Cripple Creek Ferry". It's Neil's subtly ironic commentary on himself and on the record industry.


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posted 13 November 2005 11:33 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
PS: don't anyone tell obscurantist that I'm posting on the other Neil Young thread, too. Okay?
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The songs he's never released are his best songs. I know this is the pro-Neil Young thread, so I hope that doesn't offend... but when I read his biography, I discovered the torturous genius of Neil Young. He does put a horrible track or two out there, believing true fans will mine for the gold. But he also has held back a couple albums worth of great material, to be released after he's gone.

(By 'gone', I am not insinuating that rock and roll, or Neil Young, will ever die)


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posted 14 November 2005 01:44 AM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha! The anti-Neil Young thread has become a pro-Neil Young thread! What that means for this thread, I don't know. Perhaps it can become a discussion about Christianity, or Cuba, or electoral reform, or SUVs, or thongs, or whatever.
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posted 14 November 2005 01:59 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
WhatEVER!

Neil Young sucks! Neil Young Sucks!


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posted 14 November 2005 02:08 AM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Such blatant trolling. Where's a moderator when you need one?
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posted 14 November 2005 02:17 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The problem with ALL you Neil Young fans is that you're all a bunch of tin ears! Every one of you!

And now I fully expect to be BANNED because you Youngies can't take any alternative viewpoints! It's a Neil Young ECHO CHAMBER!!!!!111!!


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posted 14 November 2005 02:38 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Something tells me Michelle doe snot like Neil Young. Ah, well.

(I Wanna Live With A) Cinnamon (Girl) Honey (recipe)

A cinnamon spiced honey that Neil Young probably uses on his morning toast. Makes a great gift. Standing time not included in estimates.
1 cinnamon stick
1 cup honey

16 servings 1 cup Change size or US/metric
Change to: cup US Metric

20 minutes 10 mins prep

1. Find a copy of "Cinnamon Girl" by Neil Young and play it in the kitchen while you work.

2. Don't crank it up, just play it in the background.

3. It's optional, of course, but I think the finished product seems to come out better.

4. Wrap the cinnamon stick in a clean dish towel and whack it carefully with your bowling ball.

5. You could use a rolling pin or heavy skillet, but that's boring.

6. Add the cinnamon fragments to one cup of honey in a saucepan, and warm over low heat for 10 minutes.

7. Let stand 3-4 hours, then strain into a sterilized jar.

8. Store at room temperature.

9. A nice gift for honey lovers, cinnamon lovers and Neil Young fans.


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posted 14 November 2005 02:41 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
doe snot
Heh. Bambi's got a cold.

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Right, and perhaps Michelle does too. Leastways, she must have some kind of ear blockage, else she'd realize the true genius of Neil's music.
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The problem with ALL you Neil Young fans is that you're all a bunch of tin ears!

If "tin" is short for "tinnitus", you may be right!

I've seen Neil maybe a dozen times at least (lost count), and while some of those have been quiet, acoustic affairs, most of them have been INSANELY FUCKING LOUD. Crazily loud. Dementedly loud. Adjective-strainingly loud. Loudest damn things I've ever heard.

One time I saw him with Crazy Horse, unleashing a bone-crushing feedback apocalypse that had my eardrums throbbing in and out like catamaran sails in shifting crosswinds despite the thick wads of cotton in my ear canals, and the concrete underneath me vibrating so alarmingly I feared the stadium was about to cry uncle and collapse upon itself, and I said to myself exactly that: "This is the loudest damn thing I've ever heard." Louder than Metallica, or Ministry, or any other noisemongering band I've ever seen. Not bad for a quartet of old farts whose cumulative ages must've added up to well over 200.

So I've sacrificed quite a few hair cells in my inner ear at the altar of Saint Neil. But they went willingly, and gladly.


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Neilyoungatory

I thought the Conservatives voted against creating a party youth wing.


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"year of the horse", by jim jarmusch, was a neat little film.
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posted 14 November 2005 04:01 AM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Good work folks -- we're catching up to that other thread. Now it's just about time for me to go to bed. It's too dark to put the keys in the ignition, and the morning sun has yet to climb my hood ornament.
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But you can't go yet. I haven't played you my bootleg from the Joshua Tree tour with U2 doing 'Southern Man'
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Great thread! I saw Young several times in the mid to late 70s. I'd say After the Gold Rush and Rust Never Sleeps, book ends of that decade, were his best albums. It's a hard to pick one favorite song, given that his music covers such a broad range. But probably my least favorite is the one that gets the most play, Heart of Gold. Also don't overlook some of the great work he did with the Buffalo Springfield in the 60s. Such as Mr. Soul, Expecting to Fly, Broken Arrow and Burned.

The man has stood the test of time. And to all the naysayers in this thread http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001878 all I have to say is


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Um, you gave us a link to THIS thread.

But I'm sure it's just the really annoying, high-pitched whine distracting you!


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I've heard that Neil Yonge is the longest musician in the world, stretching all the way from Lake Ontario north and west to the US border.

True or not?


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His career is definitely a triumph of longevity, all right.

To say nothing of a creative triumph. Occasional hiccups aside (Trans, the big-band thing, etc.).

(OK, this brings this thread neck-and-neck with the other. Fans should also consider subverting the other, i.e. drifting it once-and-for-all into pro-Neil Young territory).

[ 14 November 2005: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Um, you gave us a link to THIS thread.

But I'm sure it's just the really annoying, high-pitched whine distracting you!


http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001879

No, I just didn't want to advertise for the other thread.

I'll admit his voice is an acquired taste. But so are a lot of things.


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Originally posted by josh:
I'll admit his voice is an acquired taste. But so are a lot of things.

As much as I like Neil Young, his is not the first voice I ever want to hear early in the morning.


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Love him or hate him, you have to admire Neil Young's enduring ability to sustain and grow his core following of fans over the decades. As an artist, he seems to evolve and get better with each album. He's got something to say and the musicianship to convey each message on every album.

Compared to today's MTV artists who are fabrications of marketing plans, Neil is the real thing. There aren't many artists today who can consistently compose music for even a tenth of the years he's been at it. Neil Young is Canada's Bob Dylan and for that we should all be proud he's still kicking.


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Neil Young is Canada's Bob Dylan and for that we should all be proud he's still kicking.

I think that's well put. Contradictory, self-contradictory, enigmatic, sometimes absolutely maddening, but always considerable.


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But he also has held back a couple albums worth of great material, to be released after he's gone.

I remember reading in Rolling Stone, IN 1975!, that neil young had 150 or so completed but un- recorded songs.

I like neil young because he's the real deal, an artist whose done what he wants with little regard for the commercial consequences. As the note on the neil young section at the Vinyl Exchange says: "its much easier to count his good albums than his bad ones", but Harvest and After the Gold Rush, Crazy Horse and the fact he was the only thing that made Crosby, Stills and Nash worth listening to (Helpless) well...

Oh and hypnotic beat in Southern Man is brilliant.


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Neil Young was one of the early artists who railed against corporate sponsorship of rock acts, at how that corrupted the art. And he was willing to pay the price as someone of his stature could have easily made millions from it. My Neil Young bootleg collection fills an entire wall. Priceline stuff like him opening his set by saying, "Good evening. I'm Madonna" and then launching into F**king up. Or a 36 minute version of "Down By the River" played at Golden Gate Park.

And speaking of "Southern Man" try listening and comparing the vinyl releases of "After the Goldrush" from North America versus the Japanese release. The engineering on the vocals in the Japanese version is astounding.

Neil Young and Bob Dylan are really the only guys left from the Sixties still artistically active and not covering themselves. Young has stayed true to himself and that's to be admired in this day and age.


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If the only two songs he'd ever written were Harvest and Harvest Moon, his reputation would be assured. But he's written so many devestatingly beautiful and chaotic songs. He is unique.

Some of the songs are impossibly ornate: Broken Arrow, Cortez the Killer, Cowgirl in the Sand, some are deceptively straightforward like I Am a Child, Only Love Can Break Your Heart, For the Turnstiles, or Wonderin' - which is also in my top five favourite videos of all time, from the great/overlooked Shocking Pinks record - but probably my favourites are the stark, heartbreakingly beautiful ones, so brimming with loss and regret - Sugar Mountain, After the Goldrush, Needle and the Damage Done, Pochahontas, Heart of Gold,

For me, Hey Hey, My My, Into the Black was the definitive song about the punk era. When I first heard it, I understood in a melancholy instant that by 79, punk had already collapsed under the weight of its internal contradictions. "They give you this but you paid for that."

He has a knack for describing a tiny fragment of what's happening and somehow making you feel that you understand the whole story. Particularly the emotions.

"I was lying in a burned out basement with the full moon in my eyes..."


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If I could only take one album into space with me, to listen to for the rest of my existence: Zuma
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Tonight's the Night.
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Oh and Rust Never Sleeps. And possibly the Shocking Pinks.
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He was essentially the first main stream international artist to recognize the importance of punk, on RNS.

Not to go on about Neil. But did anyone here know that he did a 12 date tour of the West Coast of the USA, opening for DEVO when he released Transformer. It was billed as "DEVO with Ol' Daddy Granola."

One of the great things about Neil was his ability to break form.


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My ideal fishing trip? Me, Vladimir Nabakov, Neil Young, and Jesus.
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Ok then. Neil Young, Marlon Brando, Pocohantas and me.
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Fishing with Jesus. That'd be a great show.

I'd rather go butterfly collecting with Nabokov, I think.

...and speaking of fishing with Neil, I heard a story about Neil one time. Apparently he has an old farmhouse on his property and a small lake. Legend has it that while he was off-tour, he had his concert PA hooked up in the old farmhouse to turn it into the world's largest boom box so he could row out to the middle of his lake and listen to rough mixes of stuff he was working on really really really loud. As soon as he fired it up, it killed all the fish in his lake.


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quote:
Originally posted by StockwellDay:
Ok then. Neil Young, Marlon Brando, Pocohantas and me.


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I highly recommend Shakey by Jimmy McDonough. Fantastic biography of Neil. The best rock biography I have ever read.

Save for the exoticizing, Cortez the Killer is one of my favourite songs.

I also love his newer album Ragged Glory and Silver and Gold. Razor love on Silver and Gold is fantastic.

Hmm, other Neil favs...

Powderfinger, Don't Cry No Tears, Welfare Mothers, Cowgirl in the Sand, Like a Hurricane, Homegrown

He's Canada's greatest contribution to rock music by far.


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...and then there's his guitar playing. He can say more with one note and a plucked harmonic than most other players can say with 50. His signature style is instantly recognisable, he is one of a very tiny handful of guitarists you can say that about.
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That video for the song "Wondering" is genius.
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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
I've heard that Neil Yonge is the longest musician in the world, stretching all the way from Lake Ontario north and west to the US border.

Believe it or not, you're not the first person to make that particular play on words. Scott B. Sympathy released an album called Neil Yonge Street in 1990.


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Just realized my NY collection is quite small;
I've got:
Neil Young (first LP)
Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
After the Gold Rush
Harvest
Comes A Time
Old Ways
Landing on Water

Any of his other albums worth buying and listening to? Thanks in advance.


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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:

Believe it or not, you're not the first person to make that particular play on words. Scott B. Sympathy released an album called Neil Yonge Street in 1990.


Actually Scott stole the theme from James B., of the Bee People and the more well known Look People (1986-89,) featuring Clay Tyson (whose mother, Sylvia, was made famous by her brief appearance on the Neil Young hit "Look Out for My Love)" by reffering to his Swedish import guitar player Longo High (AKA Andre) at 6' 7" as "Canada's talest 'free standing' guitar player."

Yes, everyone was high at the time, these jokes were passed around.

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...you still need
Tonight's the Night
On the Beach
Rust Never Sleeps
Harvest Moon
Zuma
Ragged Glory

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posted 14 November 2005 02:17 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks, ronb!
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Actually Scott stole the theme from James B.,

I'm pretty sure that William New of Groovy Religion came up with the actual title though.


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Well everything resolves to William New of course, as the soul of Canadian Rock was passed on to him after Neil Arbic quit A Neon Rome to later become a Budhist, and also the de facto model for the missing lead singer in RoadKill by Bruce McDonald.
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The trick though, Ron, with that list is to reduce it to three albutts. Tee hee, and here is the tough part Decade does not count.
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quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
The trick though, Ron, with that list is to reduce it to three albutts. Tee hee, and here is the tough part Decade does not count.

You just gave me an idea: what are the three best Neil Young LP's overall? My favourite is 'Harvest'.


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It is tough to narrow it to three, but I'd have to say Everybody Knows This is Nowhere, After the Goldrush and Rust Never Sleeps.
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Well everything resolves to William New of course, as the soul of Canadian Rock was passed on to him after Neil Arbic quit A Neon Rome to later become a Budhist...

I'm pretty sure that Art Bergman fits in there somewhere.

Three? Hmm. That'd boil down to the three that made the biggest impact on me.

On the Beach
Rust Never Sleeps
Deja Vu (he says a little shamefacedly - I love this record, whatever happened to Greg Reeves? his playing on this record had a big influence on me)


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Rust Never Sleeps
Tonights the Night
Reactor (lest we forget the contractual obligation album,)

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quote:
Originally posted by ronb:

I'm pretty sure that Art Bergman fits in there somewhere.


Art was in Fucking Hawaii at the time, so he didn't get in on the joke.


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I like this drift. This could even become the pro-Art Bergmann thread, that'd be cool too.
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Crawl with Me would definitely be on the list of my five favourite albums by anyone, along with Tonight's the Night. Sexual Roulette is all right, but I don't like it quite as much. And there's some great stuff on Bergmann's '91 self-titled album, even if it's quite different from the two that preceded it.
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Art likes High Balls. He will play in your lving room and ot kitchen with a regular supply.

Warning: Art, no matter how intoxicated, still has that strange envigorating sex appeal that associated from those who are ugly, kinda famous failures and also completely fucked up, so do not introduce your signifcant other to him, in this intimate circumstance, as a friendly stumble home could last a week.


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I hear ya, Cueball. I imagine Art in another alternate universe going into politics, and becoming this weird sorta punk-fascist leader, rallying his troops with that hoarse primal yell of his.
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people have already praised "Ragged Glory," so I'll just say that the "Deadman" soundtrack is great.
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A great movie too, Deadman.
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Anybody seen the Greendale movie?
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There, that should put this thread back on top where it belongs...
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What Neil Young song has been stuck in your head since you started reading this thread?

For me it's been mostly Rockin In The Free World, with the occasional Down To The Wire or Helpless chorus here and there.


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Originally posted by StockwellDay:
What Neil Young song has been stuck in your head since you started reading this thread?

Old man take a look at my life
I'm a lot like you


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We always forget the Buffalo Springfield stuff. That is some of my favourite.
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And the Yardbirds with Clapton.... aaaahhhhh. And John Mayall's Bluesbreakers - I saw them live in _sans_ Clapton - still good.
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I visiting the other thread earlier, and saw that Neil Young is the Canadian songwriter they love to hate.

I see him as a part of our songwriting royal family. Perhaps they just hate royalty.

I don't know if I could call Neil Young the King. But do you think he's the Prince, or the Duke, or the Earl, or the Bishop, Abbott, Lord, Knight, Jester or Serf?


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Sorry, re Art Bergmann, I meant to say "that hoarse, decadently jaded yet bitterly angry primal yell of his."

What Neil Young song have I had on my mind since starting this thread? Hmm. Good question. My mind is like an iPod overbrimming with the music of Neil Young and others. Probably "Hey Hey, My My" (or am I thinking of "My My, Hey Hey"? The one with electric guitar rather than acoustic, anyway).

quote:
Originally posted by obscurantist:
I imagine Art in another alternate universe going into politics, and becoming this weird sorta punk-fascist leader, rallying his troops with that hoarse primal yell of his.

[ 14 November 2005: Message edited by: obscurantist ]


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Since we're exchanging lists of our Neil Yonge collections, I currently have

quote:
Neil Young
Everybody Knows This Is No Where
After The Gold Rush
Harvest
Decade
Comes A Time
Rust Never Sleeps
Live Rust
Everybody's Rockin'
Old Ways
Landing On Water
This Note's For You
Freedom
Harvest Moon
Unplugged
Sleeps With Angels
Mirror Ball
Road Rock Volume 1: Friends And Relatives
Silver And Gold
Are You Passionate?
Greendale

... which means that I need only get the following to have the complete set

quote:
- Prairie Wind
- American Stars and Bars
- Long May You Run
- Journey Through The Past
- Time Fades Away
- On The Beach
- Tonight's the Night
- Where the Buffalo Roam
- Hawks & Doves
- Re-ac-tor
- Trans
- Life
- Broken Arrow
- Lucky 13
- Zuma

Based on the feedback from others, I'm thinking I should put Zuma, On The Beach and Tonight's the Night at the top of my wishlist.


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posted 14 November 2005 09:39 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Scott, of all the many NY LPs you do have, which is your favourite?
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posted 14 November 2005 09:59 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
[I think After the Gold Rush just broke my bloody CD player ]
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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Scott, of all the many NY LPs you do have, which is your favourite?

Gold Rush, Comes A Time, Everybody Knows, Harvest, Harvest Moon...


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Anybody hear the samples of unreleased Neil they played on "Sounds Like Canada" last week? Some of them sounded pretty damn good.

Legend has it that Neil actually has more unreleased songs piled up in his vaults than he's released on his official albums. He's recorded and scrapped something like half a dozen entire albums over the years, plus hundreds of other individual songs.

So the Neil we all know and love is only a part of the whole!


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I guess the other Neil Young songs I've had on my brain the last few days are the ones I heard on Definitely Not the Opera on CBC last Saturday, where there was a segment by Kevin Chong, author of Neil Young Nation. They included "Ambulance Blues" and "Helpless."

I'm finding this thread a useful discussion of Neil's music, and I'll probably get a few more albums, like Rust, Ragged, and Zuma for starters. In a way I'm more intrigued by the phenomenon of the other thread, the way in which something about Neil Young strikes a nerve as well as striking a chord. I'm almost tempted to start a thread in the Feminism section on the degree to which various songwriters are feminist or male chauvinist -- Aimee Mann, Lucinda Williams, Sheryl Crow, Paul Simon, Neil Young, and the Who, for example (there's already been some recent discussions re Dylan, Cohen, Jagger, and Lennon).

(This along with my plans to write essays entitled "'That's not your mother, that's a man, baby!': Male motherhood and the interrogation of gender stereotypes in Austin Powers", and "Ophelia had nothing on Teri Bauer: A Feminist Reading of Fox TV's 24.")

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While I can appreciate that Neil has written some (stress some) really bad songs, more often then not he has created some utter majesty. Take this ditty for example:

Where the eagle glides ascending
There's an ancient river bending
Down the timeless gorge of changes
Where sleeplessness awaits
I searched out my companions,
Who were lost in crystal canyons
When the aimless blade of science
Slashed the pearly gates.

Or this:

'Cause people let me tell you
It sent a chill
up and down my spine
When I picked up the telephone
And heard that he'd died
out on the mainline.

Yippee. Great.

I think his bad stuff is more akin to a blind squirrel occasionally finding an acorn.


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Based on the feedback from others, I'm thinking I should put Zuma, On The Beach and Tonight's the Night at the top of my wishlist.

That would certainly be my recommendation.

What's the word on Prairie Wind? I've heard mixed reviews so far. Extremely mixed, as in "better than Harvest" and "a boring waste of time."


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skdadl, i've read your reply to Tommy in the other thread, but I am replying here, for obvious reasons.
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Alabam, you got
the weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back.
Your Cadillac
has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track

Alabam,
You got the rest of the union
to help you along
What's going wrong?


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Uh-oh. They just closed the other thread for length. Does that mean we'll have a bunch of keyed-up Neil-haters coming over to this thread? [looks nervously over shoulder]

quote:
Look out, Mama, thereís a white boat cominí up the river
With a big red beacon, and a flag, and a man on the rail
I think youíd better call John,
ícause it donít look like theyíre here to deliver -- the mail
And itís less than a mile away
I hope they didnít come to stay
Itís got numbers on the side and a gun
And itís makiní big waves....

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needle and the damage done playing on radio 1 right now
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HAHAHA! people who like Neil Young SUCK! They all SUCK! Except for the ones who like Heart of Gold, like me.
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On a possibly trivial note, Mandos' thread was the first thread in the Culture section to be closed for length in the last three-and-a-half months. As I said, I seem to've struck a chord here. Or struck a nerve. Or both (I guess Neil Young's music can be said to do both).

[edited to add: Although there have been a few longer threads. Perhaps I should start a new Neil Young unification thread, where we can try to confront the complexity of this great musician and come to some kind of consensus, or at least determine what exactly divides us.]

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thesis + antithesis = synthesis
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Yes, synthesis would be a better word.
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Read the other day that Neil drives a -- wait for it -- a HUM-V...!

...which he runs on veggie oil. He says he loves to see the expressions on people's faces change as he drives past...

(and even seeing the word Helpless, in this context, makes my insides go warm)


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On a related note:

Green Hummer Project

Neil's Humvee sounds pretty cool too. A military vehicle powered by biodiesel... that's so very Neil Young!


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Okay, we gotta catch up with the anti-Neil-Young thread! It shouldn't be that difficult, now that the other thread is closed. Just twelve more posts to go. Or will the Babble Powers That Be mysteriously close this thread before we get to that number? I wouldn't put it past the anti-Neil-Young echo chamber to do such a dastardly underhanded thing....
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Can they do that obscurantist? I am suspicious of their powers. I didn't think they would bother with me, and even say I'm from Bethelam, so they would have trouble locating me - but lately I haven't thought Zuma was all that great, and wonder if that is the anti-Neil Young crowd's doing.

I will play Sugar Mountain now, to remain faithful.


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Close this thread! Close this thread!

And even if the pro-Neil crowd attempt to overtake us, they are doomed already to eternal failure, for two reasons: one, we were first past the post; and two, we are now appearing here as dissenters, subverting from within, poisoning the atmosphere ... mbwaaahahaha.


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I remember my first Neil Young concert was a rocking Crazy Horse show at the Metro Centre in Halifax in the late '90's. The only concert I've stayed in line overnight for.

It was loud and beautiful, and I was three fans from Neil's right foot.

A girl from my school was there with me, and after the first 5 songs she hopped on stage, and just stood there... looking at the floor. Really high, I guess. Neil didn't pay her any mind, and after a minute the bouncers came and rescued her. But the next day, she said the concert was the greatest thing she had ever seen. She seemed to remember a completely different set then was played, and although she was born in 1979, she said it was just like the '60's.

Her concert set included mostly songs from Buffalo Springfield, but I love the 90's and onward.


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Scott, I was just going through the discography you listed, counting up my Neil library (original vinyl and CD) and I noticed at least two omissions: Arc and Weld.

They're kinda Neil's version of Metal Machine Music - which I like (in small doses). I like Arc even better.

BTW, I count 25 Neil titles in my collection.

edited because upon listening I found I had Arc & Weld mixed up... Arc is the ambient feedback experiment, Weld is the grungy live album filled with long self-indulgent solos and jams.

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The live sets off of Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere.
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I am very mad at the originator of this thread. For several days now, I have been humming "Cripple Creek Ferry" (I don't particularly like this song - just that it was mentioned earlier) and unfortunately, I know all of the words. I can't stop.

I would like to mention however, that one of my favourite moments in my life was arriving at Mariposa with Sugar Mountain playing on the radio. Unfortunately, my friend and I arrived in her Dad's brand new Cadillac (sweet ride!) instead of my brother's flower-painted VW bus (fun ride but not so comfortable) that had left for Mariposa earlier in the day. We quickly parked the car, joined the VW crowd, smoked a joint and dissed "the man".


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You could replace it with Up On Cripple Creek if you like.

"Me and my mate were back at the shack we had Spike Jones on teh box..."

Broken Arrow showed up on the itunes shuffle last night. What an amazingly sophisticated band Buffalo Sprigfield were. Way ahead of their time.


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Oh, and BTW Neil is the greatest. Neener neener neener.
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Close this thread! Close this thread!

Unfair! Unfair! We already won, us anti-s, days ago.


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posted 21 November 2005 12:15 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks for your support skdadl. Your post pushed this one into the lead, I believe.
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 21 November 2005 12:17 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
....but the nattering nabobs of Neil negativity cannot be allowed to win....
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skdadl
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posted 21 November 2005 12:19 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Unfair! Unfair!

Is there a moderator in the house?


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Michelle
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posted 21 November 2005 12:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why yes, there is!
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