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from the mouths of babes
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posted 28 April 2002 09:59 PM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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An archeological husband-and-wife team believe they have discovered in an Egyptian desert the oldest historical document ever found.

The stone carving is thought to refer to the Scorpion King -- the mythical warrior whose life is depicted in the current Hollywood blockbuster of the same name


Am I the only person here who is annoyed by Hollywood's use of history as an excuse for hokey action? The mummy trilogy is a fun set, but it's getting on my nerves how they're just ripping off history when they don't feel like coming up with a new story. They're taking bits and pieces of egyptology, and jamming it together with completely unreal special affects.

The new movie, for example: A historical king who won many battles is known as the "scorpion King". Reference to him was found by German Archeologists on a tableau on the early 1990's, recording that he had won a minor battle.

Hollywood's interpretation: the last-of-his-kind nomad desert assasin with almost supernatural stamina and strength kidnaps a sexy sorceress who forsees battles for an "evil" warrior king (whose own battle skills are renowned, able to stop an arrow flying at him.) The nomad forms an unlikely alliance with a band of tribal leaders, kills the warrior king, and therefore takes his place.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problems whatsoever with historical fiction (hell, Gladiator is my fav movie) it just gets on my nerves as an excuse for flashy cinematography and gratuitious fight scenes. I prefer my movies to have more meat, thanks.

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posted 29 April 2002 10:53 AM      Profile for rob.leblanc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I'm pretty annoyed with Hollywood's use of history to make a crappy action movie that appeals to mostly teenage boys. It seems to me that some of the Hollywood exec's don't want to spend money on an original story when they have a history book at their finger tips. They then hire one of their famous underpaid writers to come up with a basic story that would appeal teenage boys who are easily attracted to sex and explosions. After the movie is made, they just throw in a bunch of special effects to make it seem more cool. That's why I like watching indie films
Although I have to admit, some of the movies that Hollywood makes can be pretty good.

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posted 29 April 2002 10:35 PM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
now that i've thought about it a little more, the same can be said about lame recycled stories for any movie genre. The Princess Diaries is a great series that Disney butchered (read: all of the fary tales Disney has changed over the years) all of the James Bond movies- I know, they're great, but would they have made so many if there wasn't such a captive audience for regurgitated Ian Fleming novels? And what about Austin Powers? taking over the recycled plotline genre, with a new twist- it's FUNNY that they stole it.
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posted 29 April 2002 11:03 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watch Indian movies with subtitles. They're always god, if you don't mind a love story. Good, recent ones: Kuch Kuch Hotaa Hai, American Dhesi, Mohobatein, Mission Kashmir, Lagaan, and Monsoon Wedding.
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posted 29 April 2002 11:28 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good thread people. I haven't the slightest opinion on any of the subjects as I have never seen any. I am afraid that movies are not terribly accessible where I live except for videos.
There is nothing like a good movie in a movie theatre.

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posted 29 April 2002 11:33 PM      Profile for Laedifox     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Been wanting to see Monsoon Wedding since it was released. I'll report back once I do.

Another one worth seeing: Y Tu Mama Tambien (...And Your Mother Too). Hilarious and well done. Lots of sex, but that's part of the story instead of being gratuitous. It also has some things to say about politics and class differences in Mexico. IMHO, it was worth the 10 bucks.

(Edited to correct typos)

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posted 30 April 2002 12:28 AM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good recyled plot is the movie Forbidden Planet. It's like a redone 1950's sci fi version of Shakespeare's The Tempest, only less pointless. They get a good score from me for making a recyler into a thinker!
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posted 30 April 2002 08:26 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Simple rule: If there is a half-clad man with oiled muscles on the cover, i don't touch it.
There are plenty of of good plots - free - in ancient history, but they won't do the research to make it interesting.
Of course, i never go to movie theaters (too loud!) and, at $4 a rental, we can take a chance on any movie that looks half decent. I don't mind being the last on my block to see a new flick.

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posted 30 April 2002 09:55 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Simple rule: If there is a half-clad man with oiled muscles on the cover, i don't touch it.

I'm not going to touch that, either, nonesuch!


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posted 30 April 2002 11:50 PM      Profile for Riffraff     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Simple rule: If there is a half-clad man with oiled muscles on the cover, i don't touch it.
-nonesuch

That sums it up for me too. Thanks


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posted 30 April 2002 11:55 PM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*applause* Nonesuch, I think that your rule is a great standard to go to movies by- especially if that well- oiled cover boy/gal has no really, really GOOD reason to be well- oiled.
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posted 01 May 2002 12:24 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
by the way, have you noticed that male warriors always have shields and leather breastplates and greaves, while fwemale warriors wear no protective gear, and not much of anything else (even in the snow-covered tundra: they'll have maybe a little fur trim on their knee-socks)? Do you suppose that's because the enemy was raised as gentlemen who wouldn't hit a girl, or because the warrior girls are too fast for a blow ever to land on them?
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posted 01 May 2002 12:54 AM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
female warriors wear no protective gear, and not much of anything else (even in the snow-covered tundra: they'll have maybe a little fur trim on their knee-socks)

If you're into sci-fi/fantasy, Esther Friesner has edited a couple of short story anthologies on the subject; one is called "chicks in chain mail", and the other is "chicks and chained males". They're both pretty funny.


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