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spatrioter
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posted 29 August 2003 08:48 AM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Then, while Madonna sang her new "Hollywood" in a masculine all-black outfit, she shared an open-mouthed kiss with both Aguilera and Spears.

-MTV Video Music Awards


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posted 29 August 2003 09:56 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it was a symbolic act of performance art, a passing of the "like a virgin" torch, the veritable bustier of power, from one generation to the next.
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posted 29 August 2003 10:15 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or a cry for attention. Like when kids do the same thing on the subway or in the mall, hoping the adults will be shocked.
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posted 29 August 2003 10:17 AM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just find it strange, that after Madonna went on and on a few months ago about how she regretted doing what she did in those 'Like a Virgin' days because it was so egotistical and crying for attention -- and then she does this?

I mean, I have no problems with the whole slutty Madonna thang of the 80's... in fact I prefer it to 'reformed Madonna' ... but she seems like even more of an egotistical maniac now.


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posted 29 August 2003 11:52 AM      Profile for cynic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Madonna's still (sic) in the music business? Does anyone care?

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Hey hey hey! Just because she's egotistical doesn't make her music suck!

I still love her music.

Although I wish she hadn't been a chicken-shit about releasing the original 'American Life' video. But I can't judge her. I'm not in her shoes.


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I think she rocks. She's a woman in a man's world who just tore a strip through everyone's comfort zones and ended up with just about everything she wanted in life (or so I assume). She's megapowerful, and I think that's really cool.

And her music's not all that bad, really.


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quote:
Originally posted by Lima Bean:
ended up with just about everything she wanted in life (or so I assume).

I got a lawyer and a manager
An agent and a chef
Three nannies, an assistant
And a driver and a jet
A trainer and a butler
And a bodyguard or five
And gardener and a stylist
Do you think I'm satisfied?


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I was thinking more along the lines of a family, and a loving partner, and security and recognition...
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posted 29 August 2003 02:53 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm... true.

I'm not so sure about 'security' though. She must have gay men collecting her turds after she uses the toilet.

[a la 'Priscilla: Queen of the Desert']

I think Britney has the star power to become the next Madonna, but Christina has the shamelessness.


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every time i see the phrase "star power", i think of force five.
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quote:
I think Britney has the star power to become the next Madonna, but Christina has the shamelessness.

Christina has a better voice than the other two put together. As for shameless, I like shameless.


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I think Christina's definitely the one with the more genuine singing talent. And seems these days that she's got a bit more credibility than Britney, even with the younger fans.

Maybe it's because she never dated Justin.


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posted 29 August 2003 03:32 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously Christina has better vocals than Britney. But wasn't it Madonna who said something like "I'm not the best singer, I'm not the best dancer, but I'm a big fat whore and sex sells?" [edited for point]
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posted 29 August 2003 04:00 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
three bimbos doing the soundtrack to an afternoon at walmart.fucking arts and culture.
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Oh yes. I forgot. I don't listen to pop music. Umm... let's discuss... 'Interpol'. Yes, Interpol. Um, yes. They are quite... deep.

Fuck elitism.


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posted 29 August 2003 04:46 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Trinity of Skank is now complete.
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Which brings up that age old question --- why arre women skanks and men studs.
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posted 29 August 2003 05:03 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh. I hope I get to see Benico del Toro and Adrien Brody make out at the next awards show. Swoon!
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posted 29 August 2003 05:23 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That I'd like to see!
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posted 29 August 2003 06:17 PM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not me!
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posted 29 August 2003 07:55 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I hope I get to see Benico del Toro and Adrien Brody make out at the next awards show. Swoon!

You've got to throw in some old lech to make the "stud" trio complete. Harrison Ford, perhaps?

Seriously, though, three guys kissing would be shocking. Madonna/Christina/Britney just replays a tired routine meant to titilate males. It's hardly about rocking people's comfort zones. If anything, Madonna is just catching up with the times. Very contrived.

Anyone remember this article: Girls Kissing!


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Heh. I hope I get to see Benico del Toro and Adrien Brody make out at the next awards show. Swoon!

Unfortunately, when it comes to outr awards show statements, Adrien seems to prefer sexually assaulting Halle Berry.


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Yeah, that was a bit much.

I've seen a video of the Madonna smooches. They were half second pecks. Someone just got a good photo of one of them.


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three bimbos doing the soundtrack to an afternoon at walmart.fucking arts and culture.
..............

Oh yes. I forgot. I don't listen to pop music. Umm... let's discuss... 'Interpol'. Yes, Interpol. Um, yes. They are quite... deep.

Fuck elitism.


Indeed. Up the cheap and shabby, I always say.


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oh my god , its a reference to gay marriage..


wedding chapel, madonna dressing like the groom and britney the bride.

She is talking about the controversial same sex marriages in North America...i thought it was obvious, but many people missed that point.

anyways she said "i am not the best singer , not the best dancer, but i dont want to be that , i want to provoke people and make people think" or something like that..


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or did she add some skin and merchandise your message. sold. and nobody noticed.
except the sales dept. at walmart.

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She is talking about the controversial same sex marriages in North America...i thought it was obvious, but many people missed that point.

I thought it was too obvious to comment on. Do you think three male performers could have gotten away with it, or even risked it? As a friend said, it would push the envelope a lot more to see Justin Timberlake and Eminem in bridal gowns as 50 Cent walked down the aisle and made them his "bitches". This scene not coming to an awards ceremony near you.


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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus_raven:

I thought it was too obvious to comment on. Do you think three male performers could have gotten away with it, or even risked it? As a friend said, it would push the envelope a lot more to see Justin Timberlake and Eminem in bridal gowns as 50 Cent walked down the aisle and made them his "bitches". This scene not coming to an awards ceremony near you.


Of course not, because their whole performance - or more particularly the characters they play as performers - depends on their masculinity, which is still bound up with heterosexuality in the popular consciousness. It would potentially be a career-destroying moment.


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Yeah, no way would that happen. Girls getting frisky with each other on TV is still far more acceptable than boys doing the same -- male viewers are already primed for it, "hot lezbo action" being one of the standard weary cliches of modern-day porn.

Still, it is possible to see men exchanging saliva (or more) on American TV -- if only on cable. HBO shows like Oz, Six Feet Under, and The Wire have all featured steamy male-on-male love/sex scenes. So who knows -- maybe the cultural winds are slowly (very slowly) shifting in that direction too. Maybe 20 years from now you'll see a pop elder statesman like Justin or Eminem or 50 on MTV's 40th Anniversary Special, gleefully licking the tonsils of some up-and-coming boy-band heartthrob.


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Newspaper apologizes for running Spears-Madonna photo

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In Monday's editions, managing editor Hank Klibanoff apologized, saying the picture should have been inside but not on the front page.


Klibanoff compared the Spears picture to graphic images from the war in Iraq.


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Oh yes. I forgot. I don't listen to pop music. Umm... let's discuss... 'Interpol'. Yes, Interpol. Um, yes. They are quite... deep.
Fuck elitism.

Um. It's elitism to not like shitty music?


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Madonna's the Margaret Thatcher of the popular music industry.
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Seriously:

Everything Madonna, Britney and Christina do (at least publicly) is a calculated marketing move. "The Kiss" is a case in point:

- Madonna is aging. Her first hits were made when Britney was in diapers. She wants to break into the teen/pre-teen market that Britney and Christina dominate. What better way to get that demographic to check out her new album then to be on the front-page of the newspaper making out with both? The tween says, "Maybe I'll check out the record of that woman who Britney was kissing"

- Britney and Christina both need to smooth the transition from bubblegum teen star to "adult artiste". Back in the day, bubble gum pop teens had a limited shelflife. The same fans who liked their safe harmonies and sacharine ballads at age twelve tended to rebel four years later, throw out their records, and declare them sucky (witness Debbie Gibson, Tiffany et al). Madonna pioneered a different career trajectory by becoming shockingly "slutty" in a very contrived way. As her antics inspired outrage the fans who would have outgrown her said, "She can't be lame if my Mom thinks she's evil" and thus she had "street cred". Now Christina (with "Dirty") and Britney (with "Slave 4 U") have mimiced the Madonna strategy to the letter. To top it off - they engaged in a contrived "outrageous" event that, not only made them "wild and crazy" but also associated them with a "credible artist" - namely Madonna. Now anyone who thinks Madonna is "cool" can buy Britney and Christina records without guilt - for they have been kissed by coolness.

It sounds stupid but it works.


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Gee, if Donny Osmond had kissed Bobby Sherman...
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I tolerate Madonna's music. But I will never forgive her for ruining poor Guy Ritchie's Career with "Swept Away". I was a huge Ritchie fan but then Madonna came by and seemed to muddle him up by putting her in evey project he was going to make.

Speaking of Madonna's marriages and the flops that come from them, anyone remember Shanghai Suprise from when she was married to Sean Penn?

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does anyone know why she kissed britney and not christina?
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quote:
does anyone know why she kissed britney and not christina?

I thought she did. I guess the pix probably weren't as spicy.


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She did kiss both of them. Britney first, Christina second.
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The kisses were so quick they probably only got the one on film.
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C'mon Audra. The Paparazzi don't miss a beat.

Here's the full series of shots including the Madonna- Aguilera kiss.

I think the newspapers around the world chose to publish the Madonna-Britney kiss instead of the other one is because for most of her career Britney has been marketed as a sex-kitten. Sweet, and sexy, someone boys would be happy to shag but aslo happy to introduce to their parents. Christina on the other hand has been marketed as a "slut" so people would be less shocked to see her kissing a woman. Britney is the quintessential straight, mainstream, teen queen, miss America type - to see her with a woman just confuses the heck out of people. People are just raised on stereotypes, so when a star defies their marketing image, the journos just go crazy!

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quote:
Originally posted by audra estrones:
The kisses were so quick they probably only got the one on film.

The morning program on the way to work said the camera switched to Justin's reaction to the Britney kiss. This is why TV watchers only saw one kiss.

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C'mon Pogo. You can't give us that without the full details... What was Justin's reaction???
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quote:
Originally posted by Sara Mayo:
C'mon Pogo. You can't give us that without the full details... What was Justin's reaction???

Now I have to come clean. I listen to sports radio on the way to work and this is where I heard it (yes I know what Chomsky says about sports). These guys didn't care what Justin's reaction was, only that his time on camera cut them off from a the big show. I think they said he was a bit uncomfortable.


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i wonder who proposed the idea to who ... i mean, did madonna come up with the idea, did britney's agent, etc.
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I predict that with this kiss, Britney has jumped the shark.
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She hadn't already?
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Please explain jumping the shark--I'm not up on my lingo.
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Jump the shark
v. In a television show, to include an over-the-top scene or plot twist that is indicative either of an irreversible decline in the show's quality or of a desperate bid to stem the show's declining ratings. Also: JTS
see also: www.jumptheshark.com

I think its meaning has now gone beyond just television, to pop culture in general. As in willy's example, Britney kissing Madonna was a desperate (and vain) attempt to stem her decline in popularity.

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man that was hot. I wish I was in the middle instead if Madonna.
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quote:
Originally posted by John Jones:
man that was hot. I wish I was in the middle instead if Madonna.

If you were, I'd hope you weren't allergic to penicillin.


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