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Catchfire
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posted 27 May 2008 02:51 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Foreign player quotas in place by 2012, says Blatter
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The Fifa president Sepp Blatter is confident that his controversial 'six-plus-five' rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season after the plans received the backing of key members of Europe's football hierarchy.

Blatter, in Sydney for Fifa's annual congress, said rules restricting the number of foreign players that each club can field could be in place from the start of the 2010-11 season, beginning with a maximum quota of seven foreign players. He expects it to grow to six plus five by 2012-13 and claims the plan has the backing of European delegates to Fifa's executive committee.

Blatter pointed to the Premier League's dominance in this season's Champions League as a reason why his organisation must implement the idea, despite legal concerns from the EU and Uefa president Michel Platini.

Stressing that Fifa would proceed "within the limits of the law", Blatter said: "It is to make sure that there is better balance in the competitions and not only three or four teams in a league of 18 or 20 are fighting to be the champion and all the others are just there to not be relegated.



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posted 27 May 2008 04:07 PM      Profile for Deep Dish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As an England fan, I say good. As a guy who wants to see Montreal and Vancouver become MLS teams, I am worried that the field of Canadian players might become too thin in the short-term (as TFC showed last year, there are not a lot of Canadian players who are fully up-to-speed yet)

If this leads to an effective academy system though, I am all for it.


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posted 27 May 2008 04:11 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When the Whitecaps won the NASL crown how many Canadians did they have? 3? coming up with 5 shouldn't be that hard. Maybe then we will have to come up with the money to repatriate some of our foreign stars...
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posted 27 May 2008 04:56 PM      Profile for Deep Dish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When the Whitecaps won the NASL crown how many Canadians did they have? 3? coming up with 5 shouldn't be that hard. Maybe then we will have to come up with the money to repatriate some of our foreign stars..

Fair enough, I was basing my idea of Canadian depth on TFC's Canadian depth. Might be a critique of Mo Jo rather than Canadian Soccer.

I would love to see a meaningful elite level Canadian champion crowned, and a berth in the World Cup. If FIFA's ruling gets us closer to that, I am happy. I think we will see a day where soccer rivals the CFL in the Canadian pro sports landscape.


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posted 27 May 2008 05:17 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Deep Dish:
When the Whitecaps won the NASL crown how many Canadians did they have? 3? coming up with 5 shouldn't be that hard. Maybe then we will have to come up with the money to repatriate some of our foreign stars..

Fair enough, I was basing my idea of Canadian depth on TFC's Canadian depth. Might be a critique of Mo Jo rather than Canadian Soccer.

I would love to see a meaningful elite level Canadian champion crowned, and a berth in the World Cup. If FIFA's ruling gets us closer to that, I am happy. I think we will see a day where soccer rivals the CFL in the Canadian pro sports landscape.


You're hoping for a lot.

What players has Canada produced recently other than Owen Hargreaves?

The problem is as follows: If you have athletic talent in Canada, you probably end up playing hockey.

[ 27 May 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]


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posted 27 May 2008 05:53 PM      Profile for Deep Dish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are a pretty good number of Canadians in MLSList of Current MLS players and I can think of Jonathan de Guzmán as a recently successful Canadian player.

Hockey is an obvious big draw, and if you are expecting me to tell you soccer will be more popular than hockey I am not going to do it

But Soccer already has more players in Canada than any sport - with proper coaching and opportunity I am sure we could field a few good MLS-level clubs; and a credible national team - we should be able to put together a national program on the level of Australia or South Africa. Canada did qualify for the World Cup in '86.


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posted 28 May 2008 01:09 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada didn't produce Owen Hargreaves. Germany did.

This "too many foreign players in the premiership" fear is a symptom of the larger xenophobia plaguing England and the rest of Europe (in fact, I find it similar to the bizarre question about Detroit: can a team with so many Europeans, and a European captain actually win the Stanley Cup?) I'm not even sure what problem this is supposed to fix. That England is lousy at football? That Premiership sides keep winning the Champions League (that's once for anyone counting)? That no premiership team can hope to crack the top four? Even if you think any of these are problems (I don't, with the exception of the third) I don't see how a foreign quota will solve them.

As if Brazil and Argentina are so good because all their leagues are filled with homegrown players.

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posted 28 May 2008 07:34 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
(in fact, I find it similar to the bizarre question about Detroit: can a team with so many Europeans, and a European captain actually win the Stanley Cup?)

Sorry for the drift:

The question is asked because the barrier hasn't been crossed and because historically European hockey was far for gentile. Remember Inga Hammerstrom? Toronto's top scoring forward but did not get dressed in the playoff series against Philadelphia.

Now Europeans are as tough, as devoted and as dirty as any Canadian, but they still have to live down the style of previous generations.


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posted 28 May 2008 07:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is interesting. I've always thought that in other sports, like professional hockey, basketball, and baseball, it was kind of silly for people to choose a city's team to cheer for based on geography. I mean, how many people on the Maple Leafs are from Toronto or surrounding area? What does it mean to cheer for "Toronto"? I mean, there's no guarantee that the guys on the team are even Canadian, much less from the Toronto area.

Cities, of course, aren't the same as countries, because there is no "citizenship" of a city - as soon as you move to a city, you're a resident of that city. So I suppose you could say everyone on the Maple Leafs is a Torontonian since they live here while they're on the team.

But countries are different...it would be kind of dumb, for instance, if the Canadian Olympic Team was filled with non-citizens and non-residents of Canada.

So why on earth would country teams for soccer load their team with people from other countries? Seems silly to me. What's the point of claiming you're "Team Canada" if the people on the team aren't Canadian, or landed immigrants of Canada?


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posted 28 May 2008 07:53 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle: Fifa wants to ensure that every team that plays in the English league (or French league, or Italian league) has no more than five or six players who are not English (or French, etc.). It would be like if the NHL said you could only have a maximum of three European players on the ice at any time.

But the rationale is that the national team of the league suffers because its native-born players have no league in which to play.


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posted 28 May 2008 07:57 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo:
The question is asked because the barrier hasn't been crossed and because historically European hockey was far for gentile. Remember Inga Hammerstrom? Toronto's top scoring forward but did not get dressed in the playoff series against Philadelphia.

Now Europeans are as tough, as devoted and as dirty as any Canadian, but they still have to live down the style of previous generations.


Well, I know why the question was asked. And it's patently ridiculous (case in point: the Penguins' scoring record). It's also racist. Of the Don-Cherry brand. It's as if the Stanley Cup is Canada's last grasp on supremacy since we've had our Olympic asses handed to us 12 of 13 times in the last fifty-plus years. But A Swedish captain can't win the Cup! He's too fragile!

Go tell that to Niklas. See what he says.


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posted 28 May 2008 08:08 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
But the rationale is that the national team of the league suffers because its native-born players have no league in which to play.

The CFL does very well with it Canadian player rules. Don't most European hockey leagues also have limits on how many North American ringers they can bring in? I think it is a good thing.


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posted 28 May 2008 09:17 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
European Council denounces player quotas as "illegal"
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Plans by the Fifa president Sepp Blatter to force football clubs to field a majority of their nationals in their starting line-ups were wrecked today when the European Commission denounced the scheme as illegal and discriminatory. In a severe blow to Blatter's proposals ahead of a Fifa congress in Sydney on Friday, Vladimir Spidla, the European Commissioner for employment, said any EU country where the Blatter "6+5" formula was applied would face legal action.

The announcement effectively kills off the Fifa proposal. Blatter has been lobbying hard for support for his radical and controversial quotas scheme which could change the face of the modern game. The scheme would compel clubs to have six players from their home countries in their starting 11. But the plan appears unworkable if not applied in Europe. "The Commission is showing the red card to the 6+5 rule," said Spidla. "Professional footballers are workers."



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posted 30 May 2008 09:25 AM      Profile for Deep Dish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like FIFA is going to try to fight the EU on thjis:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Soccer/2008/05/30/5724391-ap.html


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posted 30 May 2008 09:38 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
FIFA will lose.
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quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:

Well, I know why the question was asked. And it's patently ridiculous (case in point: the Penguins' scoring record). It's also racist. Of the Don-Cherry brand. It's as if the Stanley Cup is Canada's last grasp on supremacy since we've had our Olympic asses handed to us 12 of 13 times in the last fifty-plus years. But A Swedish captain can't win the Cup! He's too fragile!

Go tell that to Niklas. See what he says.


Well, in other countries they send their athletic talent to do many different sports, whereas in Canada it's pretty much only Hockey. So it's surprising if we don't dominate fully. Except possible Russia, they're not as obsessed but their population is four times larger.


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quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Well, in other countries they send their athletic talent to do many different sports, whereas in Canada it's pretty much only Hockey. So it's surprising if we don't dominate fully. Except possible Russia, they're not as obsessed but their population is four times larger.

This is gratuitous prevarication, and what's more, it is illogical. We judge players based on how well they play. I'm not saying that players from different countries don't have different playing styles: they clearly do. But when you take a player like Lidstrom (four Stanley cups, is it?) who is one of the best defencemen in the NHL, has proven his mettle time and time again, and then ask the question: "can he captain the Red Wings to the Cup" only because he is Swedish, that's mad. Oh, and racist.

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