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Mark_Grieveson
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posted 16 September 2001 02:59 PM      Profile for Mark_Grieveson   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ever wonder why, after over three decades, that Star Trek still has such a loyal following? Well, check out My Home Page! and then go to Star Trek!

[ September 16, 2001: Message edited by: Mark_Grieveson ]


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Markbo
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posted 16 September 2001 06:14 PM      Profile for Markbo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Man you are so wrong, Startrek makes generalizations on races and then continues to show that they have depth that doesn not allow individuals to be generalized.

Ferengi are crafty businessmen. But then they make one an engineer who abhors business and his son strives to become the first member of starfleet.

Vulcans are boring logical people. But then it shows that they access their feelings when they need to and can be quite witty when they want too.

Startrek entire purpose is to be anti racist. It's amazing that this can be twisted to your conclusions.


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Ven. Jason W. Smith
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posted 16 September 2001 06:32 PM      Profile for Ven. Jason W. Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He's made up his mind. Why confuse him with the facts?
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posted 16 September 2001 08:10 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like Star Trek because they have lots of babes.
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Doug
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posted 17 September 2001 12:40 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I kind of liked it when Quark's mother went all social democratic.
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Trisha
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posted 17 September 2001 12:57 AM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I liked Star Trek, the original because at the time it was different, usually fun and pure escapism. I've never gotten real deep into the reincarnations.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 17 September 2001 11:20 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I liked Deep Space Nine because it explored really interesting ethical and moral questions that were pure sci-fi, and not necessarily closely related to the real world. Like, in The Original Series, every episode seemed to be a morality play that was a thinly veiled analogy to something in the real world, like the cold war or racism or whatever.

In DS9, however, they branched out a little. Like when Worf had a crisis of faith when Jadzia Dax's host body died, but her Symbiote didn't. This was totally inconsistent with Klingon morality. How could her spirit go to Stovokor (Klingon heaven) if part of her spirit was still alive?

In the real world, we don't really have to worry about this sort of thing, but it made a really interesting story about how, if we were ever to actually meet aliens, our systems of morality might not be entirely compatible due to biological differences.

That was one of the reasons I liked the Alien Nation tv series. Because humans and the aliens have totally different reproductive systems (the aliens needed to have a threesome in order to conceive), there was a lot of moral tension between the two species.

I think Star Trek is at its best when it explores the complexities of the Star Trek universe instead of trying to be a lesson about life on the "real" planet Earth. Like, in Star Trek 6, Klingons are obviously a metaphor for the Soviet Union. But in The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, Klingons are a bit more complex. They're part Russian, part Japanese, part Chinese, part German, not to mention part pure alien.

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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JCL
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posted 17 September 2001 03:40 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mark, I can understand your perspective on Star Trek. But if the Federation was out to impose their beliefs on other worlds, wouldn't that be a violation of their Prime Directive wehich is not to interfere or impose their beliefs on a culture?

Yes, Star Trek is pure sci-fi. It's also a reflection of society. Compare the 1960s series plots with the Next Generation, DS9 and Voyager.

But I also think aren't we all trying to, in some way, shape or form to impose our politicial ideologies on others with no respect or understanding to theirs?


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 17 September 2001 03:50 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are a few aspects of Star Trek that could be considered racist, or at least earthnocentric.

For example, why is the Sol system designated Sector 001? We're really out in the middle of nowhere, galactically-speaking. According to the Star Trek mythos, Earth was hardly one of the first planets to take to the stars. The Vulcans found Earth when it was a backward, violent, lawless planet. Why would Earth get to set the standard for galactic navigation?!?! It's like how zero degrees of longitude goes right through London.

Maybe Enterprise will explain why Sol is designated Sector 001. Maybe only Star Fleet and the Federation consider it so? Even then, the Federation is a highly multi-cultural organization. Why would so many species agree to call Earth "Sector 001" when lots of them were probably travelling the space lanes when Earthlings were still hiding in caves and shit?

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I like Star Trek because they have lots of babes.

Apparently, deep space exploration really stimulates breast development, weight management, and sexual inhibition.

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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Michelle
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posted 17 September 2001 06:12 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Apparently, deep space exploration really stimulates breast development, weight management, and sexual inhibition.

You forgot to mention skirt length.


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'lance
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posted 17 September 2001 06:35 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Apparently, deep space exploration really stimulates breast development, weight management, and sexual inhibition.

And don't you mean sexual disinhibition?

This is, of course, a science-fiction fixture.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 18 September 2001 10:50 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And don't you mean sexual disinhibition?


You, sir, are not a mule!

(Trust me, that's a horrible insult, and you should be very offended. )


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'lance
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posted 18 September 2001 02:40 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Until you clarify, I'll be merely puzzled.

I certainly never wear mules, preferring low-heeled pumps on most occasions. Like the little black dress, they never go out of style.


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nonsuch
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posted 28 September 2001 11:48 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
or maybe
people like Star Trek et al because it not only suggests that we have a future but promises that we'll improve. That'd be really nice....

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Doug
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posted 29 September 2001 03:45 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently it promises a future of giving gel massages to cute Vulcan women.
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JCL
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posted 29 September 2001 05:59 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doug - *LOL* Now that kind of enslavement I could live with. Giving Vulcan chicks with rock solid bodies gel baths. The future looks very promising indeed.
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