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Boom Boom
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posted 15 January 2007 08:10 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Huh? Tonight's episode is a repeat of last week's.
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posted 16 January 2007 06:43 AM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
According to Radio One, there's been a scheduling change and the second episode is now going to be shown on Wednesday this week.
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posted 16 January 2007 07:18 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thank you. I was all set for Episode Two last night.
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posted 16 January 2007 09:41 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
They chickened out on Monday night in the face of the Golden Globes and the two-hour "24".
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posted 16 January 2007 10:31 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Since it was scheduled to be broadcast twice this week (Monday and Wednesday) is the competition on Monday night really that big a deal?
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posted 16 January 2007 05:00 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Apparently it is.

Monday is supposed to be the "new" episode, and Wednesday is the "repeat". This week they postponed the "new" episode to Wednesday.


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posted 16 January 2007 05:22 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Episode 2 had better be good, making us wait like this.
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posted 16 January 2007 08:38 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Now that I watched episode one, I didn't think it was all that bad. The characters have chemistry, or at least potential. And after a year or so that should only get better. I didn't think the marketing was all that great, which is why I assumed the show wouldn't be very good. But, I like this show better than Corner Gas (which I don't like at all, because that's a hokey show).
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posted 17 January 2007 04:33 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I just watched episode #2, and I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but will just advise everyone to watch it, and report back in a couple of hours.
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posted 17 January 2007 05:23 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It was absolutely hilarious! I missed the first episode, but I really liked it. It is typically Canadian and really classy.
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posted 17 January 2007 05:36 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That was my reaction, too.
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posted 17 January 2007 06:03 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm still chuckling.

No comparison with the first episode, which was only the scene-setter.

I'd say this is going to be a terrific series.


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posted 17 January 2007 06:54 PM      Profile for -=+=-   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Torrent
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Wilf Day
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posted 17 January 2007 07:02 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by -=+=-:
Torrent

"Windows does not recognize this file type."


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posted 17 January 2007 07:15 PM      Profile for -=+=-   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Wilf Day:

"Windows does not recognize this file type."


You need to download a client which will in turn allow you to download the episode. Torrent files are described here.

I believe Azureus is the main Windows client, but there may be others (I used Linux ).

[ 17 January 2007: Message edited by: -=+=- ]


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posted 17 January 2007 07:21 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Nothing separates men and women like Hockey Night In Canada".

"Three seconds of male enlightenment - a new record". (I'd laugh, but it's probably true)


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posted 17 January 2007 08:11 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What the fuck is wrong with CBC. First they announce that episode 2 of LMOTP will run on Monday. Then it's a repeat of the first episode. Then, tonight, they move the time from 9:00 to 8:00. I just went downstairs and of course, LMOTP is NOT on, being presumably over and the 5th Estate is running a show on Muslim terrorists. Yeah like I couldn't catch that on CNN.

Oh, and to top it off -- i run windows and can't run torrent.

Glad to hear it was funny.


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posted 17 January 2007 08:43 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just finished watching it, was hilarious, my highlight was the hasbrownie choir director, that moved from the Anglian Church to the United Church.
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posted 17 January 2007 08:58 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On mysatellite programming, LMOTP came on an hour before the Fifth Estate. And, I can watch LMOTP in five different time zones on CBC (Newfoundland, Atlantic, Central, Prairie, and BC).
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posted 17 January 2007 10:04 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
...an hour before the Fifth Estate.

Did you watch 5th estate? IMV, it was a good show, that exposed for me, NOT Islam, or Muslims, but how ill founded those are who rant in a broad way against ALL Muslims.


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I thought the episode was entertaining, but I also thought it had something serious to say about Canadian multiculturalism. As I understood it, there was never any question that women belong at the back of the mosque. The only question was whether they should be separated from men by a physical barrier. The message seemed to be, yes, Muslims have problems with gender equality, but this matter is best solved by Muslims themselves. The broader society should have a good laugh and stay out of it.
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posted 18 January 2007 03:55 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I had to miss it! I was at a Citizen's Assembly event here in Toronto. I really wanted to see it, too. Oh well, maybe someone put it up on YouTube or something.
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Michelle, you need to work on your priorities. I'm sure CBC will show it several more times in the next fortnight since episode 3 isn't scheduled to air until Jan 31. I have a meeting that evening.
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posted 18 January 2007 07:57 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Michelle, you need to work on your priorities.

Hee. No kidding! Well, not only am I active in Fair Vote, but I also did much of the organizing for the event through my job, so I probably would've had a hard time saying, "Hey, I'd love to come out, but, you know. Little Mosque."


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Just watched the 2nd episode, and it was excellent.

The writing is incredibly dense, the number of different threads and issues they manage to pack into 22 minutes is pretty astounding. For me there were four or five laugh out loud parts, and the rest was amusing (I like the "crotchity" traditional member of the mosque -- he reminds me of Fred Sandford).

They also thoroughly skewered both the right (talk show host) and the left (feminist protestors); while looking at how people become adults in a culture, and how men and women relate.

All that with a bunch of laughs -- Little Mosque is the real thing.


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Originally posted by -=+=-:
They also thoroughly skewered both the right (talk show host) and the left (feminist protestors)
The show's creator, Zarqa Nawaz, must be a Liberal

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posted 18 January 2007 11:27 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Go through the website for a moment and read the bios. Apparently Fred (rw talk show host) has a thing for Fatima. That may turn out to be hilarious.
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I watched the premier episode and the one aired at 9PM on Wed.17. I laughed even more than the premier night.Had a couple of teenagers that thought it was pretty funny also. I look forward to more episodes and hope the writing can keep up. As a non-Muslim I can see this aleviating some misconceptions. I hope.
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The message seemed to be, yes, Muslims have problems with gender equality, but this matter is best solved by Muslims themselves. The broader society should have a good laugh and stay out of it.

But don't you think disagreements about how a place of worship is set up are best solved within faith communities, rather than those on the outside trying to impose a solution?

I thought that particular scene was handled rather well. I also thought the scenes involving the older traditional Muslim father and his adolescent daughter - and the real life dilemmas raised - were outstanding.


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posted 19 January 2007 11:06 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by siren:
Oh, and to top it off -- i run windows and can't run torrent.

Thread drift: I run Windows too, and can download with bittorrents. There are lots of Windows-based bittorrent clients: Azureus, mu-torrent and BitComet have Windows versions. Thanks to -=+=- for linking to the .torrent file: I used that and it worked like a charm. The second episode was funnier than the first, but both episodes suffer from the earnestness that unforunately characterizes so much Canadian TV, particularly anything produced by the CBC.


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posted 20 January 2007 12:04 AM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
THAT was funny.
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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Did you watch 5th estate? IMV, it was a good show, that exposed for me, NOT Islam, or Muslims, but how ill founded those are who rant in a broad way against ALL Muslims.
Interesting how that program has generated almost no discussion on babble, whereas we now have two full threads about a not-very-funny comedy show that supposedly raises important issues about Muslims in Canada.

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
Interesting how that program has generated almost no discussion on babble, whereas we now have two full threads about a not-very-funny comedy show that supposedly raises important issues about Muslims in Canada.

I didn't watch that Fifth Estate show therefore I can't comment on it. LMOTP is generating so much discussion because it's a first, and it's ground-breaking, and it will continue for eight episodes. Despite your view that's not very funny, some of us enjoy it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
LMOTP is generating so much discussion because it's a first, and it's ground-breaking, and it will continue for eight episodes. Despite your view that's not very funny, some of us enjoy it.

Oh, "the drill" was way too funny IMV. As was the story of the Choir Master moving from Anglican to UCC.

The episodes are going way to fast already we ae at 3 this coming week and there will only be 5 more.


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
The episodes are going way to fast already we ae at 3 this coming week and there will only be 5 more.

I saw something on CBC that said the next episode (third) will not be aired until January 31. Anyone else see that?

After eight episodes, maybe CBC will start a new season of LMOTP? It's a hit, which CBC needs.


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posted 20 January 2007 10:25 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I saw the second episode this week, and I didn't find it particularly funny-- but then I was tired and feeling quite flat.

But I do recall imagining the jokes in text and thinking, "hey, that was funny." So I wonder if pacing or timming is an issue?

The other thing that was throwing me off was that while this show is supposed to be set in a small prarrie town, the characters have an urban feel and attitude to them.

Again, it's rather early to be judgemental.


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posted 20 January 2007 10:30 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I saw something on CBC that said the next episode (third) will not be aired until January 31. Anyone else see that?
Yes I did.

But perhaps remind has a way of seeing it a week ahead of the rest of us.

My sister had this trenchant comment after episode 2:

quote:
Well, at the best of times, I find wrangling about religious rituals and garb to be stupid and pointless so its hard for me to get 'into' it. It's pretty difficult to root for women who don't want a barrier in their mosque to separate them from the men during prayers, but who accept that they have to sit behind the men and wear huge scarves on their heads when out in public.

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quote:
Originally posted by John K:
But don't you think disagreements about how a place of worship is set up are best solved within faith communities, rather than those on the outside trying to impose a solution?
Well, normally the subordination of women is seen as a serious human rights violation. Only in a religious context do subordinated women become mere fodder for entertainment. Maybe that’s because in our so-called secular society, direct criticism of religious practices is taboo.

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Little Mosque on the Prairie isn't terrible, but it isn't great. I feel that a lot of the praise that's being heaped on Little Mosque at this point comes from the fact that its groundbreaking (a show featuring muslims that doesn't portray them as barbarous fanatics!? What a novel idea!) Rather then the actual quality of the show. It's a tad bland but it's there, and because there are no positive representations of Muslims in the mainstream media, we are forced to settle for it, because it isn't as nasty about Arabs and Islam as many shows on American network television tend to be. I think the other problem is that because the general public is really ignorant about Islam,(and to a very large extent I include myself in this group), the show has to act as a kind of crash course on muslim theology and practice. I find that part of the show interesting, but many viewers might end up being bored to tears by it.

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quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
...the show has to act as a kind of crash course on muslim theology and practice.
That's quite a burdensome mission to place on a sitcom. In fact, it sounds like a recipe for a very short series.

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Well, as I understand, there's only eight episodes planned. However, it is doing a terrific job of raising consciousness about the social lives of Muslims and their faith, and I hope the remaining six episodes carry on in this (humourous) vein.
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The New York Times is paying attention. Maybe they can steal some ideas, as those god-awful USian sitcoms keep cranking out.

quote:

‘Little Mosque’ Defuses Hate With Humor

When it comes to producing a funny television show or movie in Canada, producers here have a reliable stable of topics: French-English relations, urban-rural dynamics and anything that involves a bumbling politician or the United States.

But Islam — something of a third rail of comedy throughout the Western world — did not make the list, which is one reason the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s new situation comedy, “Little Mosque on the Prairie,” is attracting such attention here. “It is a risk doing a sitcom about what can be considered a very touchy subject,” said Kirstine Layfield, executive director of network programming at CBC.


New York Times article from Jan 15

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John K -rhetorically- asked:

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But don't you think disagreements about how a place of worship is set up are best solved within faith communities, rather than those on the outside trying to impose a solution?

Inkameep replied:

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Well, normally the subordination of women is seen as a serious human rights violation. Only in a religious context do subordinated women become mere fodder for entertainment. Maybe that’s because in our so-called secular society, direct criticism of religious practices is taboo.
-Inkameep


First, Inkameep's comment that "Only in a religious context do subordinated women become mere fodder for entertainment" does not ring true. Only in a religious context ? Really ! How many pageants contests -for example, are run by churches, mosques, synagogues, gurdas, temples ? Is "subordination" of women in other contexts better than in a religion one ?

On the matter of "outsider" advocating for human rights of Muslim women, I believe that the issue should be left to be dealt with within the community. There are many reasons for this, but the most important one is that any outside interference is totally counter-productive.

About all Muslim actors in the debate from all idelogical persuasions believe that it is more constructive to leave the debate within the community... Except of course Irshad Manji, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Tarek Fatah and other self promoting individuals who dance to right wing islamophobic tunes and whose undertakings seem curiously to fit within the Rand Report recommendations:

quote:
Support the modernists first. To gain awareness and compete with the powerful fundamentalist interpretations of Islam and the appeal of its bold and aggressive stance to young people, the West can help modernists disseminate their views to mass audiences through a variety of vehicles. These include education, the media (books, radio, TV, newspapers, and Web sites), businesses, independent civic organizations, and civil society. Fundamentalists receive massive financial backing from radical sponsors. The West should help level the playing field by making alternative views of Islam available to Muslim audiences. Modernist views have the potential to be inspiring and attractive to the young — if they have the chance to hear them. Rand Report

http://www.rand.org/news/press.04/03.18.html

Outside interference is doomed to failure, no matter the intentions.

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posted 26 January 2007 09:37 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On TV this coming week:

Monday on Vision TV 8:30 p.m. Eastern:

360 Vision: "Pamela Taylor, an American who converted to Islam in her 20's, was shocked by the segregation of men and women in her mosque, and vowed to do something about it. In a repeat broadcast, Vision's current-affairs series tells the story of how Taylor became the first woman to lead a mixed-gender Islamic prayer in Etobicoke on Canada Day last year."

Tuesday on CBC Newsworld 10:00 p.m. and 1:00 a.m. Eastern:

Me and the Mosque: "Told from the perspective of a devout Canadian Muslim woman who is made to feel unwelcome in her own mosque, this 2005 doc from Zarqa Nawaz, creator of Little Mosque on the Prairie, reveals a wide range of practices within Islam. In many North American mosques barriers are installed to completely segregate the sexes. In some cases, women are not even allowed to enter mosques. Nawaz's film exposes Islam's often rigid patriarchy and its selective interpretation of religious texts."

- Globe and Mail


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Episode 2 repeats Monday.

Episode 3 premieres Wednesday.


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Tonight's the night.
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It just gets better!
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Okay, I can't decide: which was the best line?

1. Fred Tupper, the refugee from Radio CHOI: "Before you know it, we'll all be speaking Muslim."

2. "No, that's too weird for the Christians." "Weird? They drink Jesus's blood !"

3. "I used to be a lawyer. I'm still not that good with people."


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"This is our September 11!"
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"Florence of Arabia."
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I busted a gut at the end, where the Anglican priest is standing with the Iman, and, while folks pass by on the street, yells (jokingly) about the bodies rolled up in the carpet after the fusebox explosion... priceless.
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My wife says I left out the best line: "A muslim feminist? Isn't that like a friendly Torontonian?"
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Easily still funny enough to keep me watching, but still kind of forced at times. This thread ruined a few jokes for me (although I didn't think it would be Babar who said "this is our September 11!")
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quote:
Originally posted by sidra:
First, Inkameep's comment that "Only in a religious context do subordinated women become mere fodder for entertainment" does not ring true. Only in a religious context ? Really ! How many pageants contests -for example, are run by churches, mosques, synagogues, gurdas, temples ?

How many beauty pageants are broadcast on national TV to critical acclaim from progressive audiences?

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quote:
Only in a religious context do subordinated women become mere fodder for entertainment" inkameep

This is what you wrote an on which I commented.
Now what do progressives or reactionaries have to do in the subject?

What I did is debunk or statement by showing you that women do become mere fodder for entertainment in more than your "Only" religious context. Let us not blame religion for everything!


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Maybe I didn't make my point very effectively, but what I was trying to say is that that we are more reluctant to criticize gender inequality when it occurs in a religious context, than when it occurs in other contexts.

As I understand it, you agree with my assessment and you support it: "I believe that the issue should be left to be dealt with within the community." But you probably would not agree if someone suggested that the demeaning of women was an issue to be dealt with internally by the "beauty pageant community."


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what I was trying to say is that we are more reluctant to criticize gender inequality when it occurs in a religious context, than when it occurs in other contexts. -Inkameep

At least in the case of Islam, tis is FALSE.

quote:
As I understand it, you agree with my assessment and you support it: "I believe that the issue should be left to be dealt with within the community." But you probably would not agree if someone suggested that the demeaning of women was an issue to be dealt with internally by the "beauty pageant community."

Your analogy is out of whack. The beauty pageant community is all pro-beauty pageantry. You cannot say that the Muslim community supports denying women their human rights. Or can you ?


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quote:
Originally posted by sidra:
At least in the case of Islam, this is FALSE.
I don't understand what you're saying. What exactly is it that's false?

Are you saying that we are not more reluctant to criticize gender inequality when it occurs in a Muslim context than in, say, a Catholic context?


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No M., he (Inmakeep) is not comparing criticism of religions, like gender equality in Catholicism v. in Islam, but comparing criticism of inequality in religion versus other contexts (such as, say, labour force). I would say that people would find it much easier to point to gender inequality in Islam than in NASA's workforce.

No surprise. Gender ine/quality in Islam is much more talked about in the media than gender in/equality in Canada's allocation of funds for potential Olympians. (My daughter used to be in Canada's National Waterpolo Team).

ETA: I am not talking about Babblers, but the public in general.

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I understood inkameep to be talking about babblers, not the public in general.
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Great episode. Babar was pretty funny and presented the whole fact that paranoia is all across the spectrum, even if they are good people at heart.
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I think the weakest character on the show is the redneck radio guy. He's obviously a parody of someone.
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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I think the weakest character on the show is the redneck radio guy. He's obviously a parody of someone.

He is sort of the introduction to each episode. His screwing around sets the episode's tenor.

Really, it is a well constructed show. If there is only one run of it, we have but 5 more episodes of pure bliss


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quote:
Originally posted by Papal Bull:
He is sort of the introduction to each episode. His screwing around sets the episode's tenor.

I didn't think of that!

quote:
Really, it is a well constructed show. If there is only one run of it, we have but 5 more episodes of pure bliss

Eight more episodes have been ordered with rumors of a second season in hand.


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posted 07 February 2007 08:37 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Tonight's episode was probably the weakest so far, but it had its moments. I loved Babar being identified as a Taliban during "Halal-Owe'en" and loving it!
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posted 08 February 2007 07:25 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Nobody else caught the show last night?
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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I loved Babar being identified as a Taliban during "Halal-Owe'en" and loving it!

Yes, that was the funniest moment.

The whole concept of Halal'oween was brilliant.

When Rayyan was arguing with Amaar about the female swimming guards she wanted, and told him "whatever side of the door you're on, I'm on the other side" I immediately thought "lie." They're obviously destined for each other, and a few minutes later she was staring into his eyes.


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Gee, I thought the funniest part was when the Muslim woman bloodied the man's nose for trying to render assistance when she fell and injured her knee.

I'm still chuckling over that one.


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Originally posted by M. Spector:
Gee, I thought the funniest part was when the Muslim woman bloodied the man's nose for trying to render assistance when she fell and injured her knee.

That actually threw me for a bit of a loop - I didn't know whether to laugh, or not.


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posted 08 February 2007 12:17 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Curses!

Where be the torrent for me?!

/pirate talk


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Tonight's episode was probably the weakest so far, but it had its moments. I loved Babar being identified as a Taliban during "Halal-Owe'en" and loving it!

No. That episode was still better than the pilot I think.

"I finally feel at home in this Godless western society! *eats cheeto*"


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quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:

No. That episode was still better than the pilot I think.

"I finally feel at home in this Godless western society! *eats cheeto*"


Well, I don't count the pilot, because all it does is set the scene and introduce the characters. It was still good, for a pilot.

BTW, I love your quote from last night's show - I had forgotten it - "I finally feel at home in this Godless western society!"


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"Islam for Dummies"

"Have you tried beating her - it worked for the Taliban"

"The Crusades are over" "Try telling that to the Americans"

"Religion would be so much easier without the followers"

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I missed the first 10 minutes of tonight's episode, but overall did not really like it. weak jokes, boring dialogue.

Can someone explain why the mayor's assistant (forget her name), was trying to pray so much and why this interfered with her sleep. Was she praying more than five times a day?


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If you missed the first ten minutes, you may as well have changed the channel, because it flows from the beginning.
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quote:
Originally posted by Papal Bull:
Curses!

Where be the torrent for me?!

/pirate talk


Sorry, I haven't had time to post links.

Episodes 3 and 4 are both up on p2p. Any babblers who want invites to demonoid.com (one of the best trackers), please pm me.

The unstoppable Pirate Bay is also a good place to look. (Check our their profile in this month's Vanity Fair).

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"The Crusades are over" "Tell that to the Americans"

That was Amaar's line when Baber was being a bit militant, and Baber's rebuttal. Best line of the night.

P.S. The whole thing about the new convert, and the five-prayers-a-day marathon of Sarah the WASM (White Anglo-Saxon Muslim), made this a great episode.

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I'm just getting last week's episode and my room mate have had militant control of the television for this evening. I'll have to wiat for 5 to come up on torrent networks.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
That was Amaar's line when Baber was being a bit militant, and Baber's rebuttal. Best line of the night.


I also liked it when the Mayor said "I'm a Christian, but I don't let it affect me". I thought that was hilarious. So true for so many of those of us who belong to a church, nowadays.


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That episode has me torn. From the sheer comedy aspect of it, it was great.* But the plot was just odd. Is can't really be THAT hard for someone (or anyone) to pray 5 times a day? The whole "good Muslem/bad Muslem" thing that EVERY character referenced almost made me cringe.

*1) Babar with a potleaf medalion?!
*2) The irony that Babar was right: He DID fall into the hands of the Christians.
*3) "I'm a Christian, but I don't let it affect me"
*4) Usual character traits shining through nicely.
*5) Bathmat prayermat.

[ 17 February 2007: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]

[ 17 February 2007: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]


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Uh... I ask the 5 prayers a day question as someone who perhaps prays once every 2 days on his bed. I don't see how it affects someone that much though.
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Tonight's episode could be the best yet - look for the batty Archdeacon.
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They may flesh out the rector's character a bit tonight. Interesting that this show is on Ash Wednesday.
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Archdeacon Colin Mochrie should be hilarious tonight.
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The one-liners were fast and furious tonight, but the Archdeacon acting like a Mob enforcer ("we want our cut") turned me off a bit. Otherwise an excellent show.
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Thanks for the reminder earlier, Boom Boom. I often forget about this show. I thought it was really funny tonight. And I didn't mind the Archdeacon's monetary demand. I think that happens in many denominations. I thought the minister had some great lines.
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After tonight, how many episodes are left? I wonder if there's a poll from Muslims in Canada showing how they feel about this show?
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After tonight, how many episodes are left? I wonder if there's a poll from Muslims in Canada showing how they feel about this show? -Boom Boom

I have yet to read or hear from one single Muslim who -if not liked- the show, at least found a positive thing to say about it such as "it humanizes Muslims", "it put them in the mosaical tapestry of Canadin culture" etc.. That is except Tarek Fatah and his Muslim Canadian Congress folks.

But that is Tarek Fatah being Tarek Fatah, doing the right media's bid.

"The little masquerade on the prairie", wrote, he.

http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/2007/02/12/3596198-sun.html


The following is a letter to the editor from another Muslim in response to Tarek Fatah's article.

quote:
It's a sitcom

Re "Little masquerade on the prairie" (Feb. 12): Writers Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan are missing the point. Nobody has said the CBC's Little Mosque On The Prairie, was produced to accurately portray Canada's Muslim communities. Repe at after me, Tarek: It's a sitcom. A situational comedy. Totally different from a news report, or a documentary. It's about fictional Muslim characters, in a fictional town, with fictional story lines. So why shouldn't it have Muslim buffoons, funny rednecks, savvy yuppies and wives going on sex strikes? We don't expect to see complex politics of the Italian community on Everybody Loves Raymond. Corner Gas says nothing about the plight of the Canadian farmer, or the marginalization of our Native communities. Then why this scrutiny for a farcical look at a bunch of small town Muslims whose lives revolve around their new mosque (which, incidentally, is quite true for many Muslims across Canada)? Why should we expect a sitcom to talk about Saudi or Iranian influences on our mosques? If that's what you want, Tarek, I suggest you watch a documentary, or read a newspaper (and I don't mean the comics section). To me, the fact that Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan expect any accuracy from a comedy show, and spend their time writing poorly thought-out articles about it, is laughable.

Yasir Khan
Producer
CBC News: The Hour



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Tonight's episode was interesting, but I'll reserve futher comment until everyone has a chance to see it, later tonight.
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Originally posted by sidra:

- snip -

To me, the fact that Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan expect any accuracy from a comedy show, and spend their time writing poorly thought-out articles about it, is laughable.

Yasir Khan
Producer
CBC News: The Hour


Excellent!


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Anglican same-sex marriage and Muslim polygamy in one show. I'm glad it was handled gently and humourously.
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I hear the Primates are planning a screening for Lambeth.
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So, did you see the two fellas Baber and what is his name finally discovering their comraderie in bigoty and strike a friendship ?

The guy who was protesting with Baber, I forgot his name.


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Yes, sidra. The radio announcer guy was over the top. And the placards: "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".
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I still haven't had the chance to check it out. That will be my March resolution.

On that note, this thread is getting long, so I'm going to have to close it.


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