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audra trower williams
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posted 17 April 2001 05:46 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
D00ds! It's all about the alTERnaTInG caps and alphanumeric spellings (I am no one's "s1st0r", you know?). Am I a jerk that I find this so annoying?
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penelope
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posted 17 April 2001 05:51 PM      Profile for penelope   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
you're just not 'l33t, audra.

Maybe it's kind of inevitable, esp. considering how many of us pedestrians are using the internet now, for those who do consider themselves elite to engage in language and code to differentiate themselves and make themselves somewhat unintelligible to outsiders.

too bad they end up looking illiterate.


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carrot
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posted 17 April 2001 07:29 PM      Profile for carrot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am always surprised and disappointed when people who I know and enjoy in real life contact me on ICQ and talk hackerspeak.
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posted 17 April 2001 08:01 PM      Profile for chrisw   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm annoyed when people use language for anything other than communicating directly with others. This includes technical dialects. And those assholes at Futureshop.
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posted 17 April 2001 08:04 PM      Profile for babbler 8     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chances are those guys at Futureshop don't even know what they are saying.
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posted 18 April 2001 05:25 AM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, it's guaranteed most futureshop guys know nothing of which they speak. At least, the ones I ever talked with were obviously oblivious.

Hackerspeak is awful. I sometimes write "thru" instead of "through" when chatting with a person, but that's a shortcut, not showing off. And I can always spare the tenth of a second to write "to" instead of "2," which is one of the most annoying forms of communication. This includes "l8er" instead of later, "u" instead of you, and so on.


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posted 18 April 2001 08:06 AM      Profile for chrisw   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The biggest problem is that that's how Prince writes.
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posted 18 April 2001 09:07 AM      Profile for Jesse Hirsh   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
don't make the mistake of blaming hackers. they are a very broad and diverse genre. children of all sorts play with language. one should be tolerant of such games, yet intolerant of same games when they incorporate sexism, racism, homophobia, etc...
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denise
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posted 18 April 2001 10:02 AM      Profile for denise   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't usually associate that stuff with Hackerspeak. I associate it with teen girls on irc.
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posted 18 April 2001 10:16 AM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
there's two different kinds. The l8r kind, and the s1st0r kind. s1st0r is more hacker than juvenile.

This website has a hackerspeak translator to show you what I mean:

Hi how are you today?

becomes

H1 h0\/\/ @r3 y0u +0d4y?

Argh.


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Cosmorific
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posted 18 April 2001 01:27 PM      Profile for Cosmorific        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think this is exactly what Gayle is talking about, but it annoys the living snot out of me when people try to make an angry rant look less angry by inserting "LOL" after every. freaking. sentence.
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posted 18 April 2001 08:14 PM      Profile for rouser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
haven't a single beef over shortcuts but find it fascinating how hackwriters spend so much energy ineptly coding and flaunting their bland repartée for an audience that could'nt care less. It does however save me a great deal of time, it being so quick to identify, thus instantly avoidable. I learned early on that they NEVER had anything worthy to contribute.
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Wayne MacPhail
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posted 19 April 2001 05:56 AM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi gang:

I have to say I've always been perplexed by how folks who respond to email seem so easily amused. I can't say I've ever read anything that left me ROTFL. Maybe SFAACBM (Smiling Faintly At A Clever Bon Mot) or CTMQ (Chuckling To Myself Quietly). But I've never LSHCORENFOMN (Laughed So Hard Chunks Of Recently Eaten Noodles Flew Out My Nose) or anything like that. You?

Wayne


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audra trower williams
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posted 20 April 2001 08:57 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was highly highly funny, Wayne, and I agree whole heartedly.
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Slick Willy
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posted 20 April 2001 12:20 PM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi there.
I don't understand why people would get upset over something this trivial. For me, it is the message that is important, and not so much they way someone is trying to get that message across. Though I am new here, I have been online for a little over ten years. I have seen countless discussions on many topics. Sometimes those who have the hardest time getting their point across make more sense than the most well read journalists.
imo.

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Gary
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posted 22 April 2001 04:13 PM      Profile for Gary   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to agree with Slick Willy. As long as you can understand the point being made, does how it is made make any difference?

rouser - To assume that someone typing in "Hacker?" has nothing valid to offer is similar to assuming that someone who speaks with an unfamiliar accent has nothing valid to offer.

Is LOL somehow less effective than :D ? I think Smilies are the most annoying thing ever invented for boards but if you want to use them feel free.

We need to get beyond how it looks to what it means.

L8r 2 all of u.


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Wayne MacPhail
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posted 22 April 2001 06:08 PM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi gang:

Call me an old fart (you'd be right) but I don't care if you're writing an essay, a letter, a dirty limmerick or an email - Strunk and White still makes sense. Surely net saavy folk can type the word "later" as fast as the numerologism L8R. Personally, I can never hit the right number key by touch.

I used to do a lot of hiring in the new media field. If anyone sent me a covering letter peppered with web-speak they wouldn't get an interview. Now, I must say, that never happened, so some decorum must still reign.

I agree the smileys on this board are more cute than useful, for me anyway. (When you use your smileys, do you click the red one last? Do you pick them very slowly, or grab one very fast? Chose the purple one that just passed wind, now tell me when I ask. When you use your smileys, do you pick the red one last?)

But, I think the judicious use of emoticons in email can make up for, just a little, the lack of voice inflection. Well, the smiley/ sad ones can, anyway. Not sure about the "I'm a wavy-haired girl with glasses and a top hat and I'm winking and belching and I'm dizzy and am sporting a bowtie, hugs" ones.

Over and out,
Smiling, balding Wayne


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audra trower williams
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posted 22 April 2001 08:31 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the thing with hackerspeak is that it seems to be intended NOT to be clear.

Unlike that sentence, which was unintended not to be clear.

It just seems like one of those "if you're not down with the lingo, then too bad for you" things.


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Slick Willy
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posted 23 April 2001 10:05 PM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"It just seems like one of those "if you're not down with the lingo, then too bad for you" things."

Maybe it is a bit more like slang. Or more paticularly like a dialect of short hand. People from all over seem prone to use slang in their everyday speech paterns and the more we use text over the Internet to chat, the more it creeps in to conversation. Sort of like calling someone "Dude".


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Chrissy
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posted 24 April 2001 12:04 AM      Profile for Chrissy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was okay with the smiley faces until they started blinking at me. And I don't know about the insanely grinning turquoise one... he's a bit scary.
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audra trower williams
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posted 24 April 2001 10:08 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you use IE, Chrissy, and highlight him with the cursor, he looks like a skull wearing a sombrero. True!
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Chrissy
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posted 24 April 2001 07:25 PM      Profile for Chrissy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Hmm. I don't know what IE is, but if you just highlight him, he looks to me like an enraged cat.

[ April 24, 2001: Message edited by: Chrissy ]


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audra trower williams
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posted 25 April 2001 10:50 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IE is Internet Explorer, Chrissy And I still say he looks like a skull wearing a sombrero.
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posted 07 May 2001 06:16 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, hackerspeak. Aka leetspeak.

I've been around for a decade in this kind of scene (used to dial BBSes back when there were such things), and I was a bad boy in my youth, so I got to learn of how the Dark Side worked.

One of the expressions that still sticks in my mind even today is "/<-rad". Meant /<00l-rad, and was usually reserved for things that were actually awesome. It's since been replaced by the word "leet".

As in "Ph34r, that's leet!" or something. I think it's just funny, and you need to be immersed in the "culture" to really have an instinctive understanding for when someone's legit or just trying to show off.


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posted 24 May 2001 01:43 PM      Profile for antiochuberchrist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm... Well, I've been BBSing off and on since the days of the 300baud modem (back in the mid eighties), and I've always tried to avoid hack speak for a couple of reasons.

1st: Basically, when I say something, I want to be understood. Things like cul8r have been around forever, and they've bugged the crap out of me forever. On some of the old FidoNet BBSes, (a bright shiny nickle for anyone who remembers those days), the messages were being spun out across the world before there was a World Wide WEb, and it drove me buggy trying to fiugure out all the local dialects of hacker speak.

Now, with the WWW being so popular, I sometimes find myself in a chat with people from 8 or 9 different countries, with varying degrees of proficiency in english. Start throwing in the local phreakspeak and very quickly, no one understands anyone.

But, it CAN be fun when you start running that stuff through the online translators available on some chats. I once had a Spanish man inform me that "my dog was wet, speaks latin tinted green"????? To this day, I have no what the heck he was driving at.


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Oh my gawd, that is what my grandkid is doing and someone thought he was clever. I thought he was just lazy. Hackerspeak, does that lead to ruining my computer? Kidding it annoys the hell out of me too. I hate abbreviations as I never know what the hell they stand for. One of my relatives does this a lot. Also not knowing makes me feel dumb.
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posted 25 May 2001 02:52 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What the heck is IMHO?
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DrConway
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posted 25 May 2001 03:03 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In My Humble Opinion.
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Dawna Matrix
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posted 27 May 2001 05:10 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. Lots of humble folk here...
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posted 28 May 2001 01:05 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OMFG! " " Highlighted really DOES look like a skull wearing a sombrero!
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The Mistress Kali
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posted 28 May 2001 04:03 PM      Profile for The Mistress Kali   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Hackerspeak was designed for its looks not its readability. It was supposed to look different and associate you with the elite of the elite. If anyone has tried true hacking you will soon see that these guys "know something we don't" Plus they get us cool stuff for free =)
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posted 29 May 2001 03:51 PM      Profile for beachcomber   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mistress Kali .. I think so, too. Hackerspeak appeals to a certain group among that subculture, namely the younger ones. They're into defining their own scene and genre and do it with stupid symbols and alpha-numeric typing. And if you think THAT stuff is bad, you oughtta check out some of the ASCII art these dudes put on the files they rip. Weird shit that makes no sense but is basically a "geek's logo" sort of thing. And the rules and protocols in the warez scene are actually quite amazing. It's all very complex from what my hacker buddies tell me.

I don't much mind the BB folks who use abbreviations like

    ROFLMAO (rolling on floor laughing my ass off) or
    ROFL (roll on floor laughing) or
    LOL (laugh out loud) or
    IMHO (in my humble experience) or
    BTW (by the way).
I can't stand the letter/number combos cuz I just don't think that way. And I also get foolishly enraged at people who don't use them right, ie: LOLOL (laugh out loud out loud?! What the F- is that?!)

[ May 29, 2001: Message edited by: beachcomber ]


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 29 May 2001 03:58 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Oh no! The kiddies have their own way of communicating that we old fogies don't understand!" I think I've heard this song before.

Hmm. Upon reflection, I've been getting overly sarcastic lately. Perhaps I should chill out a bit.

[ May 29, 2001: Message edited by: mediaboy ]


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