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500_Apples
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posted 19 April 2008 02:58 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has anyone else on these boards been following this spectacular show?

Season 4 is thus far a lot better than season 3. There are awesome space battles, intricate and sophisticated love polygons, political flair ups, open mysteries; what's there not to like?

The third episode of season 4 (5th once you include the two episodes from Razor) was really good. I was sad what happened to Callie and how frigid she appeared at the end. Tory is turning into a robobitch. Tyrol and Tigh... really confusing. The strongest points were the internal fractures within Cylon civilization; The Cavils seeking to wipe out the 2s, 6s and 8s (except for Sharon Boomer), as well as the Centurions now having free will, and the surprise where Natalie had to say "Please". There are three units now, with Natalie/Sharon/Leoben's appearing the weakest, though that could change. One wonders whether or not D'anna will come back.

I wonder what Starbuck will find.

There is the problem of too many characters on the show unfortunately. I think that's why they killed Callie. Athena/Helo have not been explored much this season, neither has Admiral Adama, and we have not seen Hot Dog.

I can't wait for next week!


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Hey! No fraken spoilers. I am still downloading episode 3.
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posted 19 April 2008 04:59 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scott, post what you think after all right?
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I thought that seasons 1 and 2 were awesome, but unfortunately I quickly got turned off early on in season 3. Seeing the ads and trailers for season four I am wishing I had not unplugged from the series.
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I like Galactica, but I don't think it's as wonderful as the uber fans say it is. I've been watching some HBO box sets, and compaired to the TV programs created by hom box office, Battlestar is actually quite poorly made.

Does HBO have any plans to make a space themed sci fi show?


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posted 20 April 2008 09:05 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
I like Galactica, but I don't think it's as wonderful as the uber fans say it is. I've been watching some HBO box sets, and compaired to the TV programs created by hom box office, Battlestar is actually quite poorly made.

Does HBO have any plans to make a space themed sci fi show?


How is it "badly made" and which box sets are you talking about?

Personally, I watch it for the story, not for the special effects. There's always better CGI in video games.


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quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:

How is it "badly made" and which box sets are you talking about?

Personally, I watch it for the story, not for the special effects. There's always better CGI in video games.


The scripts and the acting aren't as good as they are in something like "Rome"


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posted 20 April 2008 06:03 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:

I wonder what Starbuck will find.

Apparently that she just wants to frak Anders. I don't blame her.


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posted 20 April 2008 07:31 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

Apparently that she just wants to frak Anders. I don't blame her.


I wish I were as good-looking as Anders!

It seems obvious they'll find Earth in the last episode.

I wonder if we'll see more of the traditional metal buckets from Razor.


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D'Anna will come back. Lucy Lawless signed a contract.

Starbuck will find earth. How could she not? Unless she actually does lead humanity to "their end"

I don't think Callie died because they had too many characters. The shows ALWAYS moving peripheral characters to the front (Seelix is suddenly everywhere. She'll be sleeping with Anders soon). I think they killed her off because it will move Chief's character into some interesting places and, um, it was the most mind-bending couldnt-take-my-eyes-off-it thing I've seen on TV since forever.


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My son recently auditioned for a prequel series to be called "Caprica", referring to a planet which later is destroyed on Battlestar Galactica.

He had to take a vow of secrecy before reading the script, so he wouldn't even tell me what happens to the young man called "Bill Adams" while on Caprica.

I got the impression he may have a military career in his future, however.


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quote:
The scripts and the acting aren't as good as they are in something like "Rome"

First off, I think Battlestar Gallactica is amazing. I just have to say that. There's not many series' I think that can be said about, and I'm not really that into sci-fi generally, so I was actually very very surprised by it. What I appreciate most is how they don't take the characters in too obvious directions, and actually develop some pretty complex relationships. Plus the whole relationship between the humans and the human-looking-cylons is really complex and well done, though Gaius' development in the last episode of season 2 was sort of lame.

Also, it's not a total dude-fest, and they're not all white, which is pretty much a prerequisite for me to take a TV show seriously.

That said, currently I've only finished season 2, and didn't read most of this thread for fear of spoilers.

In some ways I think it's better than an HBO series because of the disparity in expectations. When HBO produces a great show, it's kind of like hearing Toni Morrison just wrote another great book. Surprise! And by 'surprise,' I mean it's not a surprise at all. Don't get me wrong, they're a treat (Deadwood, Rome, Dexter... I can't get enough of them), but HBO has far more resources and the smartest writers in the business at their disposal.

When a series like Battlestar Gallactica, Arrested Development, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer comes along in spite of all the mediocrity their networks generally produce, the surprise just adds to the enjoyment of the series that much more.


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When a series like Battlestar Gallactica, Arrested Development, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer comes along in spite of all the mediocrity their networks generally produce, the surprise just adds to the enjoyment of the series that much more.


I know, I just think it would be cool if HBO produced a space opera, can you just see it, Ray Stevenson would star as a roguish space pirate, and Kevin Mckidd as the bounty Hunter hired to bring him in. It would be a marvelous!


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quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
My son recently auditioned for a prequel series to be called "Caprica", referring to a planet which later is destroyed on Battlestar Galactica.

He had to take a vow of secrecy before reading the script, so he wouldn't even tell me what happens to the young man called "Bill Adams" while on Caprica.

I got the impression he may have a military career in his future, however.



I am profoundly jealous of your son. I hope he gets the part.

The secret's out, BTW.


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quote:
Originally posted by meades:

First off, I think Battlestar Gallactica is amazing. I just have to say that. There's not many series' I think that can be said about, and I'm not really that into sci-fi generally, so I was actually very very surprised by it. What I appreciate most is how they don't take the characters in too obvious directions, and actually develop some pretty complex relationships. Plus the whole relationship between the humans and the human-looking-cylons is really complex and well done, though Gaius' development in the last episode of season 2 was sort of lame.

Also, it's not a total dude-fest, and they're not all white, which is pretty much a prerequisite for me to take a TV show seriously.

That said, currently I've only finished season 2, and didn't read most of this thread for fear of spoilers.

In some ways I think it's better than an HBO series because of the disparity in expectations. When HBO produces a great show, it's kind of like hearing Toni Morrison just wrote another great book. Surprise! And by 'surprise,' I mean it's not a surprise at all. Don't get me wrong, they're a treat (Deadwood, Rome, Dexter... I can't get enough of them), but HBO has far more resources and the smartest writers in the business at their disposal.

When a series like Battlestar Gallactica, Arrested Development, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer comes along in spite of all the mediocrity their networks generally produce, the surprise just adds to the enjoyment of the series that much more.


That upcoming Caprica series sounds really fascinating.

But on to last night's episode, "Escape Velocity" and there will be spoilers in this post. I thought it was an interesting episode. There's a lot going on. Lee seems to be uniting opposition on the quorum, and I don't know where that's going. Laura Roslyn continues her descent into tyranny. Baltar is dividing the fleet into religious lines, while the attempts at humanity of Tight, Tory and Gayland are beginning to break down. I wonder if Caprica six will figure out that Tigh is a cylon.

Gaius being lifted by the armpits by an invisible force demonstrates head six is somehow "real". Reminds me of Shelley Godfrey from the first season. There is speculation on sci fi forums that the manifestations of Gods are in fact interventions from the ship of lights.

What didn't occur in this episode demonstrates the skill of the writing cast. They almost fully ignored the Demetrius and the cylon civil war. Which is good, as there are a lot of competing story lines right now and you can't progress all of them in an hour.

If you watched the preview, that's what the next episode will be about. There's a bit of story discontinuity as previously we've seen cylon ships blow up almost immediately, and now people will have time to escape.


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quote:
Originally posted by Mercy:

I am profoundly jealous of your son. I hope he gets the part.

The secret's out, BTW.


Having read part of that, I'll make a prediction of who the final cylon is. It's that girl who was killed, she hates humanity because of what happened to her and her mother. Maybe.


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I don't LOVE season 4 but it's still captivating. Aaron Douglas and Callum Keith Rennie continue to demonstrate just how excellent they are as actors. Tricia Helfer, although not getting as much screen time as before, continues to amaze me.

I can't wait to see Mary McDonnell bald.


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I've been very disappointed with the season so far (I've seen up to episode 5). The writing is terrible, the plot has descended into crappy sci-fi clichés,the political subtext has become heavy-handed and the writers clearly have no idea where they are going with this story. That might be a bit harsh, but only because the first two seasons are two of the best seasons of television ever created, sci-fi or not.

Lt. Gaida (sp?) was one of my favourite characters, and he's effectively just an extra now who gets more lines than the others. Chief Tyrol makes no sense. Both Adamas are parodies of their former selves and I've never hated the president more in my life.

Am I really the only fan who thinks this?


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quote:
Am I really the only fan who thinks this?

Yes, you are. It's okay you feel that way, though, it's just a bit odd.


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quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
I've been very disappointed with the season so far (I've seen up to episode 5). The writing is terrible, the plot has descended into crappy sci-fi clichés,the political subtext has become heavy-handed and the writers clearly have no idea where they are going with this story. That might be a bit harsh, but only because the first two seasons are two of the best seasons of television ever created, sci-fi or not.

Lt. Gaida (sp?) was one of my favourite characters, and he's effectively just an extra now who gets more lines than the others. Chief Tyrol makes no sense. Both Adamas are parodies of their former selves and I've never hated the president more in my life.

Am I really the only fan who thinks this?


I'm not enjoying it as much as the other seasons, though it's still good and still better then most other stuff on tv. I'm waiting though to pass some sort of final judgment because I'm also not sure if I'm suffering from some sort of over expectation syndrome. There's been so much hype over this season as well as having to wait a year for it that for me at least it may have pushed the expectation to an artificial level, so no matter what happens it will always dissapoint. I also think that the main overarching plot-line has change so much since the last seasons, because of key events, thats it is a disorienting. It's not comfortable and yes it seems a little scattered.
I've probably spent to much time analyzing this but I think that the scattering and the disorienting and the change in characters is all done on purpose. In terms of character development there is really nothing illogical or 'out of character' in the way that they are acting or responding to events. In a way it seems that certain character traits that have been apparent throughout the three seasons are reaching their climax. Many of the characters are acting out the most negative of their traits and we're seeing the negative win out over the positive in their personal struggles pretty much across the board.
Basically the pressure is getting to everyone and things are slowly but surely completely falling apart to the point where things are becoming unrecognizable.

I've read a few interviews with the writers and a couple of the actors who have seemed to allude to this happening. That the season is a bumpy ride and not like we've seen before. That's one of the reasons that I'm waiting to see how things progress and to see how the whole of it fits together.
It could all just be the thing going to crap and crappy writing or it could be just one long descent into the bumpy chaos done on purpose, a set-up for the climax of the whole story as things start coming together again. That wouldn't be out of character for the creators, who I've read have said that the show is better viewed as watching one very long movie that takes place over four seasons. If that is the actual intent I do hope that they manage to pull it off.


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One thing I don't understand is the transformation in Baltar's character. He has changed completely. The man has become a saint. Where is the narcissistic bastard we've come to know and love?

[ 08 May 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
One thing I don't understand is the transformation in Baltar's character. He has changed completely. The man has become a saint. Where is the narcissistic bastard we've come to know and love?

[ 08 May 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


I actually see whats happening to Baltar differently and that he's acting the way he is now because of his narcissism. I don't think he is a saint but is acting the part because of all of the people who think that he is some sort of savior. He's convinced himself that he's something special, that he has some higher purpose because of his ego not despite it. In his mind his being 'special' is the reason he's actually survived all of the shyte he's pulled and he's basically functioning in a self perpetuating fantasy. To me this is taking his whole being a bastard and an ass to a new level entirely as he's basically become a cult leader and leading people along in his own fantasy.


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Catchfire,

I think one of the efforts of the storyline and character development thus far is to kill off secondary characters such as Gunny and Callie, and probably more in future episodes. They do have A LOT of characters, and having fewer to deal with will make the second half of season four much easier to progress.

You don't find the Cylon civil war interesting?


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I find the cylon civil war remotely interesting (they seem to be tapping into the current interest in "killology" and Why We Kill) but its realization was fairly mediocre. And the dialogue! It's so bad now!

Re: Callie--it seemed to me that they brought her back just to kill her, which doesn't make much sense plot-wise. They didn't need to kill her off to streamline the cast because she was already safely relegated to the margins. But in order to squeeze some drama out, they parachuted her back in and rushed through this segment where she was depressed and on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I liked how Chief felt compelled to say that he "settled" for Callie when he wanted Boomer, but because of the war, he had to compromise--it felt very human to feel that kind of bitterness, but much of the rest of his reaction (why was Adama drinking in the bar with Tyrol? He's the frakkin' Admiral) was hyperbolic and melodramatic.

And how can Tyrol shake Baltar's hand? He was a labour organizer and a head insurgent on New Caprica against his regime. "I wish I had known Callie better?" Gag me.

Speaking of gagging, the scenes where Adama reads to Rosylin during her treatment are awful, as are most exchanges between them. It's just so frustrating since these two characters were so interesting at the beginning of the series.

Again, I guess as sci-fi shows go it's still alright, but it used to be on par with The Wire and The Sopranos. Season 3 slipped away from that a bit, but season 4 is certainly not.

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The argument between Adama and Roslin in his quarters was amazing. Those two actors hit it out of the park regularly, especially when they're on set with just each other. I think it's sweet to show the affection they have for each other and how they don't make it explicit - some of which I wonder is because they can't as the two leaders of the fleet actually have a love affair.
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I want Lampkin to come back.
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Who's Lampkin?

Last night's episode was amazing! I really liked all the plot devices they got to use on the base ship, it revealed a lot more about the characters... and then we actually understood what the hybrid said for once, at least partially.


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Lampkin was Baltar's lawyer.
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Where is dee?
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Where is dee?

We saw her a bit when lee adama told her she gets to keep the house, at the start of his political career.

Since she's a minor character this season they're probably going to kill her off, just like I expect Felix Gaeta to die when he gets back to Galactica.


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quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
One thing I don't understand is the transformation in Baltar's character. He has changed completely. The man has become a saint. Where is the narcissistic bastard we've come to know and love?

[ 08 May 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


He's still there. Being the head of your own religion (or a borrowed one) is the pinnacle of narcissism, especially since he doesn't believe a word he says. I expect a Jim Bakeresque undoing of Baltar's position before the end of the season.


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Battlestar is like the inverse of Star Trek. All the characters are insane, with Starbuck toping the list. Most of the characters are also unlikeable in certain ways.

However, the change of tone from the mystical to the militaristic (with Celtic strains and all) is pretty jarring as is the complete lack of socio-cultural realism.


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Why So Sweaty on Demetrius?

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Most of the others in the fleet are understandably skeptical of her claims -- they're frankly suspicious of her very existence (and let's not even mention the condition of her Viper), since in their experience she clearly died, and only Cylons can return from the dead. In typical Starbuck fashion, she responds to their skepticism by beating up two marines, injuring other marines with a concussion grenade and taking the president hostage.

In response to this criminal activity, Adm. William Adama (who has got to be the most lenient hard-ass since John Wayne in The Shootist) rewards his little girl with the keys to a ship of her own, and an indulgent daddy's hope that she will follow her dream to wherever it leads. OK, seriously, he knows that Starbuck has a shot at finding Earth, and by now he's desperate enough to try anything.

He gives her the Demetrius, a filthy sewage-processing ship, and a hand-picked crew of 15. Their mission is to follow Starbuck's intuition until they find Earth. When they've recorded Earth's position, they are to rendezvous with the fleet in two months' time with the information. If they do not make the rendezvous, Adama will have no choice but to consider Demetrius destroyed, and the fleet will be forced to move on without them.

Obviously, such a mission offers many ways to frak up. The crew could fail to find Earth. They could miss their rendezvous and be stranded alone in space, condemned to die when their supplies run out (though as a sewage-reprocessing plant, they probably won't run out of food any time soon). They could find Earth yet miss their rendezvous, saving themselves but condemning nearly 40,000 souls to wander aimlessly through space. No wonder everyone on the Demetrius is coated with a sheen of sweat.


The Science of Battlestar Galactica


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I fell really far behind in Galactica. So I'm currently rewatching all of the first season (1 more episode) and the rest before catching up with this one. I think it should take about a week for me to get back on top.

It really is a good, good show. I just managed to get my dad to watch it, after much skepticism. I likened it to the last season of DS9 and then he got on board.


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I am confused.
Was there only one Cylon ship that rebelled, or were there many?

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posted 02 June 2008 03:39 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
I am confused.
Was there only one Cylon ship that rebelled, or were there many?

There were many, but we know of a single damaged cylon ship.

We know that three ships commanded by the rebels were attacked by seven+ of cavil's ships, by surprise. It's unclear if they have one ship left out there (the damaged one) or some more hiding elsewhere.

*****

The most recent episode was very interesting and I can't wait for Friday. We know the cylon ship jumped with roslin, anders and helo last week, and so they've split up the continuation into two episodes. Last friday was what the human fleet was doing, this friday will be what happened to the cylon ship and the hub.

Man I can't wait, can that broken ship and a bunch of fighters destroy that gargantuan hub? We know there was a battle as when Galactica's pilots were looking around the wreckage they found some dead pilots floating around.

Apparently the end of the first half of season 4 has been advertised as being "Earth-shattering" which implies they're going to find Earth.

The second half of season 4 will continue sometime around December, along with the Caprica series which also sounds interesting.

There are also rumours up to 3 Battlestar Galactica TV movies might be in the works, along the lines of Razor.

*****

Oh and if Colonel Tigh got Caprica 6 pregnant, I guess that means cylons can breed among themselves; at least if it's a final five with a significant seven.

Oh, and apparently fans of the show have been noticing the Orion nebula from the windows of galactica. If they see the same stellar configurations we do, it means they're close to Earth.

[ 02 June 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]


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posted 02 June 2008 04:24 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Romo Lampkin is awesome and I'm so glad that they brought him back for an episode. I hope for many more.
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posted 03 June 2008 06:00 AM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like the last episode but:

- Romo's inclusion seemed sort of forced. The ONLY person in the fleet who can help find a new President is him? And, knowing the character, you'd think he'd argue that Zarek should be sworn in.

- For that matter, you'd think Lee would argue that Zarek should be sworn in. For that matter, you'd think ZAREK would argue that Zarek should be sworn in. It's kind of bizarre that everyone just allows Adama to over-rule democracy and declare that he won't listen to the person who, by all rights, has attained the Presidency.

- So, after Adama learns that Tigh has gone completely nuts and has impregnated a Cylon, he decides to leave him in charge of the fleet and, um, the future of humanity?

- The whole ending where "Romo goes nuts" seemed utterly forced and not true to the character they'd established. I understand that one of the favorite conceits of the show is having Lee confront someone with a gun and say, "If that's the way it's going to be just shoot me now" but it just felt silly to have Romo go suddenly apeshit.

Overall, I feel like this season is increasingly forced. It's like they decided to end the show and are now scrambling to put all of the pieces in place so they can get the ending they want. It feels rushed and sometimes forced, to me.

Still the best show on telly tho.


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posted 11 June 2008 04:26 PM      Profile for scott   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And now the books are starting to come out:

Cylons in America: Critical Studies in Battlestar Galactica

quote:
Good television isn't just piffle anymore. It's complicating our ideas of race, gender, and genocide, and it's doing this on purpose. With the release of Cylons in America: Critical Studies in Battlestar Galactica, Tiffany Potter and C.W. Marshall have firmly established the acclaimed science fiction series on academic ground. The two University of British Columbia professors are the first to compile a critical analysis of the series, but just barely. In July, Josef Stein and Tristan Tamplin will enlighten us with Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy, and two more BSG-themed books are set to follow.

...

Marshall: "Yes, the insurgency is an example of this. The series is clearly operating in a post 9-11 world, the idea that the terrorists are among us, that anyone could be a bad guy. For two seasons, it was the remnants of humanity surviving against terrorists, and then beautifully, in the final episode of season two, they skip a year later, and suddenly the humans are being mapped not onto America, but onto the occupied Iraq. Suddenly the people we care about are clearly representing Muslims, Iraqis, people who we've been told 'aren't like us.'"

Potter: "Right, they have not allowed the presumptive 'us' to remain consistent. In the case of the suicide bombing during the insurgency, we identify with the character, we know why he is angry, and then he straps a bomb to his chest and blows up other characters we identify with. We are horrified, but in a way, we kind of get it. In a way that I don't think any of us ever got suicide bombing. What that show did was give us a moment where the suicide bomber was the presumptive 'us.' No other show has dared do this."



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posted 13 June 2008 06:59 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What the hell was that.
Oh look at the time. That's an hour, better end it here. Bah!

I have to get up early tomorrow for our Farmers Market. I might as well have just frakin went to bed.

[ 13 June 2008: Message edited by: Bookish Agrarian ]


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posted 14 June 2008 09:14 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was certainly an interesting ending. Sort of like finding out that all you got for Christmas was socks.
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posted 14 June 2008 09:27 AM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 15 June 2008 11:59 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Brut. Al.
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posted 16 June 2008 08:06 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Ha!


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posted 18 June 2008 04:59 PM      Profile for HAMMERKC     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:

The scripts and the acting aren't as good as they are in something like "Rome"


i've seen Rome and it is no way even close to the importance and well written scripts of Battlestar. I've seen all of Rome and Battlestar is better. Rome wasn't as intellegent. It was historical fiction with the only creative part being the relationship of Titus and Lucius.
Battlestar has better special effects and half the budget of HBO. And it has better reviews than Rome EX: TIME-best show on television.


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posted 18 June 2008 05:09 PM      Profile for Sombrero Jack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Battlestar is a very well-made program. Even so, The Wire unleashes Cylon-style destruction upon Battlestar in terms of quality.
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posted 21 June 2008 05:27 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is that really all there is!?
There must be more!
Didn't they plan for 20 episodes this season?

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posted 21 June 2008 06:18 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
The second half of season 4 will continue sometime around December, along with the Caprica series which also sounds interesting.

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posted 22 June 2008 09:20 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watch the latest episode on YouTube

Watch the Battlestar Galactica Recap.

[ 07 July 2008: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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