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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 03 January 2006 03:24 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was really pulling for the Czech's to beat the 'mericans tonight, but we'll have to leave it to the Russians in the semis.

The Finland-Sweden game reminded me of pre-lockout NHL. I don't think the Finns will be able to lull us to sleep in the same way that they did to the Swedes tonight. We didn't have much problem with them in Game One, but Rask wasn't exactly living up to his billing then. He did tonight, so it should be a good game.

Thoughts? Comments?


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The Finland-Sweden game was absolutely brutal...the Finns are the more beatable team. The Swedes pretty much dominated but could never finish -- no pun intended...

The Americans are going to have a major fight on their hands with the Russians. Malkin is going to be tough to stop...they could hardly stop the Czechs. The extra fatigue won't help either...the Russians are going to be ready and rested.

If Canada can pull off this WJHC, I think it would be among our sweetest victories. We have a goalie drafted in the 3rd round as our starter - we only have one top three pick from 2004 (Cam Barker) or and no top three picks from 2005 on our entire team. Toews has a chance to go in the top 3 next year but he probably will be the only one. It will truly be a team effort that will keep the Championship in Canada.

[ 03 January 2006: Message edited by: Marc ]


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If Canada manages to win this championship, they'll probably win the next. I watched the Finland-Sweden game too, it was almost so boring is was interesting. The Swedes seemed to just hold the puck, shoot, rebound, hold the puck. The Finns have to be the slowest team in history. But Rask! Holy hell, the guy had a 53 save shutout a 53 save shutout. I cannot remember the last time I saw one of those. He absolutely stole the game from the Swedes.

My predictions (I'm all about predictions)
Semi-Finals:
Canada 4, Finland 0
Russia 4, USA 3

Bronze Game:
USA 3, Finland 1

Gold:
Russia 5, Canada 3 (I'm not much of a patriot am I)


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posted 03 January 2006 06:14 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scott, I'd plump for a rematch against the US. I thought we beat them at every aspect, and when gold hinges on a single game, give me an opponent I've already beaten.
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posted 03 January 2006 06:21 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the games I managed to catch this looks like great hockey. These kids have wheels and love to finish their checks.

While the 'new NHL' is a better game than pre lockout sadly the physical side has all but disappeared. The NHL owners and PA should take the time to watch these kids play with hearts and passion.


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posted 03 January 2006 06:31 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wanted someone to start this thread so I could just quickly insert the name Justin Pogge and say -- any relation to babble's own pogge? And does his name mean the same thing?

I just thought it was fun to see the name.


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quote:
I was really pulling for the Czech's to beat the 'mericans tonight, but we'll have to leave it to the Russians in the semis.
I think everyone was pulling for the Czechs especially those who "greeted" Johnson every time he got the puck.

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posted 03 January 2006 10:12 PM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WCG, good call on the score for this game...hopefully you are wrong about the score of the gold medal game...
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posted 03 January 2006 10:24 PM      Profile for huggyns     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada is awesome tonight! They will be playing for the Gold. Defence did a nice job and the player of the game was a defenceman for Canada

They didn't do too well on the power plays but came up with the goals when it was needed.


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posted 04 January 2006 03:13 AM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada vs. Russia in the final.

Classic.


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posted 04 January 2006 03:33 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by huggyns:
Canada is awesome tonight! They will be playing for the Gold.

Actually, I thought we were a little too casual in our approach to the Finns. We seem to have a bad habit of playing down to the level of our opponents in international play. Hopefully, we'll be up for the game against the Russians. If we aren't, they will win.


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There was a considerable amount of anti-Americanism expressed throughout this tournament. Is this simply the result of the late hit by Johnson, or would the sentiment be evident regardless? Do you think the Americans are surprised by the negative reaction to their team? Speculate.
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posted 04 January 2006 03:18 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Is this simply the result of the late hit by Johnson,

Well everytime his unsuspended ass touched the puck he was booed, so that was certainly because of the "late" flying elbow.


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posted 04 January 2006 03:19 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cartman:
There was a considerable amount of anti-Americanism expressed throughout this tournament. Is this simply the result of the late hit by Johnson, or would the sentiment be evident regardless? Do you think the Americans are surprised by the negative reaction to their team? Speculate.

Walt Kyle, the American coach, was whining about that after the US/Czech quarter final. I do think that it was about a lot more than Johnson. It was also about a lot more than hockey.


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posted 04 January 2006 03:22 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha! 2 for 2 while getting the score exactly right in once game. Based on the performance of Russia last night, I'm going to revise my predictions.

Gold Medal Game:
Canada 4, Russia 3
Russian defence isn't all that good I noticed

Bronze Medal Game:
USA 3, Finland 1
Result will be dependant on whether the US is mad or depressed.

I was so impressed watching Malkin play for Russia, except for the stupid double-minor he took. He got head hunted by Johnson at the end of the game and took a big hit. 20 seconds later, he bodychecks Johnson with his own big hit. The guy is his own enforcer!


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posted 04 January 2006 03:25 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
But Rask! Holy hell, the guy had a 53 save shutout a 53 save shutout. I cannot remember the last time I saw one of those. He absolutely stole the game from the Swedes.

[bragging thread drift]My son played a game like that, the year we won the Silver Stick. He would make the first save, then slide across the goal to make the second save, then make some more saves lying on his back using his goal stick like a tennis racket.

Then he switched sports and became a tennis pro. What a loss to hockey. [/bragging thread drift]


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posted 04 January 2006 05:55 PM      Profile for Fartful Codger     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
But Rask! Holy hell, the guy had a 53 save shutout a 53 save shutout. I cannot remember the last time I saw one of those. He absolutely stole the game from the Swedes.

Meh, as they say. Rask is good at stopping the original shot, but he gives up too many rebounds. More than anything, that 53-save shutout is an indication of the Swedes' lack of finishing.

(Goaltenders are hardest on their own kind! )


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posted 04 January 2006 06:15 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
any relation to babble's own pogge?

you mean they are different people?

at least i finally know how to pronounce pogge.


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posted 04 January 2006 06:19 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It rhymes with soggy. Don't know how Justin pronounces it.
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posted 04 January 2006 10:44 PM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The TSN announcers have pronounced it like "yogi"...not sure if that is the correct pronunciation though.
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posted 06 January 2006 01:20 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada 4
Russia 0

Goooollllldddd!!!


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posted 06 January 2006 01:50 AM      Profile for INCHARRAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good on the boys from Canada. They earned their gold medals honestly. I couldn't help but notice there were a lot of players on team Canada fron B.C. Saskatchewan and Alberta. I guess that should satisfy those conservatives rednecks out west who think they are left out of Canada.
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Canada 5
Russia 0

The Russians are suggesting that the goal they lost out on would have changed the whole game. It would have inspired them and forced Canada to play a different game. Ya right, after all the success they had playing the game their way one goal is going to unravel it all for team Canada. You'd think that in the face of adversity they would have been truly inspired to win, instead they just dished out cheap shots.

Mind you I did feel bad for them, just a little. But I'd like to think that if it had been us dealt that blow we'd have responded like the Canadian Women's Olympic team, they took ever insult to the game that night instride and stuck it to their opponents anyway.

Can't wait to see Pogge in a Leaf jersey. Well, okay I can wait a little while cause I dig the Eagle.


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posted 06 January 2006 02:07 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scout:
Canada 5
Russia 0

Scout's score is the correct one. We scored a late one that I'd forgotten about.


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quote:
Scout's score is the correct one. We scored a late one that I'd forgotten about.

I was going give you the gears over that.


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*aherm*

The final score was really 5-1.

*ducks*

After watching the games, I wonder why Canada wasn't the favourite going in? They outworked every team they were up against, won most of the battles along the boards, and had the skating, passing and shooting to punish the opposing team on any turnover. They were a great team.

You'll note that the bronze went to Finland, not the USA. Not that I'm one to rub salt in a wound or anything.


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quote:
Originally posted by Briguy:

You'll note that the bronze went to Finland, not the USA. Not that I'm one to rub salt in a wound or anything.

Well, you may not be, but I am.

Woohoo, go Finland!


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Of course it is a tainted victory because no one vetoed the selection of Steve Downie to the team given his past indiscretions.

Oh I remember. He is from Ontario, and therefore we forgive him.


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What indiscretions?
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The Steve Downie story.

What a monster.


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quote:
Originally posted by Briguy:
After watching the games, I wonder why Canada wasn't the favourite going in? They outworked every team they were up against, won most of the battles along the boards, and had the skating, passing and shooting to punish the opposing team on any turnover. They were a great team.


The Canadians were a great team but they were not made up of great players...there really were no superstars. However, they came together...they played solid defense and had good goaltending plus worked really, really hard. This effort really made up for any talent deficiencies that they had...

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Not to pick a fight with Marc, but I think that a lot of the players who [a]are[/b] superstars on their own teams -- I'm thinking of Bolland, Blunden and O'Marra as examples, since I'm most familiar with the OHL* -- were willing to play a third or fourth line checking role (and even the first and second lines were smothering on the D). If they had all been prima donnas and resisted playing that role, we wouldn't have had the success that we have.

* Speaking of which, I just came home from watching the Kitchener Rangers beat the OHL leading Peterborough Petes 4-0. Since Xmas, the've passed Guelph in the standings and soundly beaten the other three teams that have more points that they do (London, Peterborough and Barrie). They are now in the CHL Top Ten for the first time this year. I'm telling you, this is a team to watch!


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OK...it's on Scott!

Yes there are individuals that are the stand-out players on their CHL/NCAA team...but there are no players that were considered to be a Sidney Crosby, Dion Phaneuf, Roberto Luongo, Marc-Andre Fleury, etc. There were some great players of course [many of the players expected to be the best struggled the most (ie Benoit Pouliot, Guillaume Latendresse, Jonathan Toews}] ...but on a pure skill level they were being compared to the 1990 team rather than the 2005 version as well as many of the teams in the 90's during their streak of gold medals.


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It was interesting to notice that the players themselves commented on their lack of superstars in interviews, crediting their success to desire and hard work. But I have to agree with Gretzki on this one, when he said that desire and hard work weren't enough in themselves, the team had plenty of talent as well. No superstars maybe, but plenty of stars.
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quote:
Originally posted by faith:
What indiscretions?

Akim Aliu Hazing Incident

quote:
Akim had his teeth punched out by a junior hockey teammate in a fight, was ordered to take anger management courses, then was expected to play with the rest of his Windsor Spitfires teammates who had tried, unsuccessfully, to cram him naked into a bus washroom with other rookies in a hazing incident in early September.

The teammate was Steve Downie.

I don't think Steve Downie shouldn't have been on the team, I am just noting the hypocrisy of others (re: Todd Bertuzzi).


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I suspect Pogo that if we were to hear of every single incident that happened on and off the ice, particularly with male hockey, Canadians might be leaving the sport in droves.
While the fight between hockey players is regrettable, sad even, do you not think that these young players are influenced by what they see in the 'real' league play, the NHL? This is exactly why I think acts like the one Bertuzzi participated in should be treated seriously. I also don't think these two incidents compare. I believe that Bertuzzi was told to go out and target the player he punched from behind by the coaching staff. I suspected this before but after watching the strategy of the Canucks on boxing day, that is starting a fight when they couldn't score against Calgary, I fully believe that my suspicions of using deliberate violence as a playing strategy are confirmed. I believe that it was left up to Bertuzzi as to how he handled it but he definitely had a plan when he stepped on the ice to target an individual player.
It is this use of deliberate violence rather than skill that is so troublesome in modern day hockey. Everyone understands passionate emotions getting the better of players immersed in the heat of play, and physical play that can erupt into violence, but the cynical deliberate use of violence for intimidation is a turn off.
Young men are prone to violence, sport should be teaching them to channel that energy into sportsmanlike effort instead it cynically uses the violence that is there to rake in the dough. Fans that are too lazy to really gain enough knowledge of the sport to appreciate a beautiful defensive forecheck or a steal, that can't see poetry in a Gilbert Perrault like race up the ice must be sated with a display of violence.

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Steve Downey was suspended and removed from the team because of it and it was subject of a number of investigations. The vicous cross check against a teammate during practice the day after the attempted hazing was clearly premeditated.
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Steve Downie was suspened 5 games for the OHL last Wednesday for mugging Belleville Bulls captain Andrew Gibbons. Dick Todd, Peterbourgh Petes coach, tried to rationalize it saying that Gibbons goaded Downie and then turtled. From talking to people at the game Downie crosschecked Gibbons down and then jumped him.

I really had trouble cheering for Canada with Downie on the team and this went further to confirm it. Some hero.


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Downey hits again
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