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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 02 August 2005 02:13 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Orlando Sentinel:
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Assistant State Attorney Jonathan Olson thought his case was solid.

Eyewitnesses had testified they saw the assailant stab the victim on a Mount Dora basketball court.

But instead of convicting the defendant of attempted murder as charged, the jury found him guilty of the lesser count of aggravated battery.

After the trial, jurors told a prosecutor they had wanted more scientific evidence, such as details about the angle and depth of the stab wound -- the kind of evidence seen on TV shows such as CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.

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"They get into a jury room, and they realize they [forensic scientists] can do this and that, but the state never offered that as testimony. They're only supposed to evaluate the evidence," said Randy Means, spokesman for Orange-Osceola State Attorney Lawson Lamar. "It's happening more and more. This is harmful to justice."

Defense lawyers, though, say the crime shows are taking the fall for prosecutors who are not building strong cases.



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Eyewitnesses had testified they saw the assailant stab the victim on a Mount Dora basketball court.

But instead of convicting the defendant of attempted murder as charged, the jury found him guilty of the lesser count of aggravated battery.


For attempt murder, the state has to prove intention to kill.

For aggravated battery, only the intentional infliction of a "serious wound".

If you were on the jury, wouldn't you want to know how deep the wound was? And is that because of some TV show?


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I'm waiting for the new CSI

CSI: Baghdad

Sample dialogue

As investigator is using tweezers to pull the letters 'o', 't', 'a' out of the victims forehead,
"Well, chief, it looks like another car bomb."


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quote:
Originally posted by maestro:
I'm waiting for the new CSI

CSI: Baghdad

Sample dialogue

As investigator is using tweezers to pull the letters 'o', 't', 'a' out of the victims forehead,
"Well, chief, it looks like another car bomb."


It would be hilarious if Air Farce or 22 Minutes did this as a parody on the CSI franchise.


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posted 12 February 2007 04:35 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mom and I always get a kick out of the way the CSI team are going to scenes with their hair all coiffed and (in the case of the women) flowing and loose. Meanwhile, they're constantly telling us that hair is always falling out of people's heads. I wonder how many scenes they've contaminated with their OWN hair and stuff?
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posted 12 February 2007 04:59 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why do a bunch of scientists get to interrogate the suspects? Why does Horatio Kane (the only CSI worth watching) get to personally chase down suspects across Mexico and the United States (and in some cases, Brazil) with no backup? Even though he's just a lab rat?
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posted 12 February 2007 05:06 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only CSI worth watching? Come ON.

My question is, why is David Caruso allowed to call what he does in CSI "acting"? Seems like false advertising to me.


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posted 12 February 2007 12:17 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Horatio Caine is the single greatest television personnage in history. The nuances of his acting have more layers than a Passion Flakie. Some would say that his love for that latino model seemed forced and tacked on, and when she was murdered a few short episodes later, the emotional impact of her violent departure was negligible. But it was only then that I realized the magnitude of Caruso's calculated, controlled, yet infinite fervour. His love outshines the presence of iodine-131, blood spray patterns, and DNA evidence.

The other two series WISH they had that kind of subtle dynamism. Horatio Caine makes me forget I'm watching a meaningless story with excrutiating and artificially "snappy" dialogue that will end in a brutally unsatisfying "denouement" that will give deus ex machina a bad name.


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posted 12 February 2007 12:31 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
Horatio Caine is the single greatest television personnage in history.

Um, no. No, he isn't. No. He's the single most annoying character ever to have graced the small screen. Even more annoying than Pee Wee Herman. That's saying something.

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The nuances of his acting have more layers than a Passion Flakie.

Yuh-huh. Let's see, there's the "I say everything in a monotone because I think it makes me sound cool" layer. Then there's the "I'm overacting by underacting so you get the point REAL GOOD that I'm a cool dude" layer. Then there's the "I'm going to hold this significant look longer than the end of a soap opera scene" layer. I'm sure there are many more.

Sorry, Catchfire, dude, you're awesome, but I REALLY dislike Horatio Crane.


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I like the original CSI and CSI New York. Although there is a blond lady in CSI New York that has a weird way of talking too.
David Caruso bugs me too like the guy in Criminal Intent. One day one of his hands will fall off as he is always waving them around. I never watch that show, twice was too much.

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posted 12 February 2007 01:03 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Yuh-huh. Let's see, there's the "I say everything in a monotone because I think it makes me sound cool" layer. Then there's the "I'm overacting by underacting so you get the point REAL GOOD that I'm a cool dude" layer. Then there's the "I'm going to hold this significant look longer than the end of a soap opera scene" layer. I'm sure there are many more.

You forgot the "I'm taking off my sunglasses right now because the thing I just said TOTALLY KICKED ASS" layer. (This is not to be confused with the curiously similar, but emphaically different (to the trained eye) "I'm putting on my sunglasses because what I just said WAS TOTALLY AWESOME.")

"Delko, we're going to Brazil."


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posted 12 February 2007 01:09 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha! Just so!
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Indeedy. The only thing I hate worse is when the Caruso character gets to show how "sensitive" he is with the photogenic female victim, victim's spouse or daughter, etc.

And those incredibly stupid flashbacks used in all of the CSI shows:

...investigators talking about crime...
...CUT TO JARRING 1-SECOND CLIP FROM CRIME ACTUALLY HAPPENING...
...trying to undertand a piece of evidence...
...CUT TO JARRING CRIME CLIP INVOLVING THAT PIECE OF EVIDENCE...
...witness speaks about what she saw...
...CUT TO JARRING 1-SECOND CLIP OF THE HORRIFYING THING SHE SAW...
...now back to CSI dude looking cool in the shades...

Puh-lease. I can't believe that this crap is among the most popular TV in the world.

[Disclaimer: I would never watch any part of these shows ever if it were up to me... sadly somebody else in the house watches while I'm on the computer doing something much more worthwhile, like trashing CSI on a message board. ]

[ 12 February 2007: Message edited by: Albireo ]


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posted 12 February 2007 07:00 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:

"Delko, we're going to Brazil."


OMG that was so incredibly bad I couldn't even watch the entire clip. The intermittent "YAAAY" chime thing was as bad as the acting...and the script... and the sunglasses...


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I like the original CSI, mostly because of William Petersen's acting. Marg Helgenberger isn't bad either.

I hate CSI: Miami, mostly because I can't stand Horatio Crane. I watched one epiosde and then gave up.

CSI: New York isn't as bad as CSI: Miami, but I don't like it as much as the original CSI. I watched CSI: New York for about half a season before I gave up.

All told though, I think the original CSI went past it's best before date this season.

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The thing I can't understand is, with the way the CSI offices are so overdramatically lit(lighted?)how can anybody see the evidence through all the glare?

Maybe THAT's the real reason Caine keeps taking his sunglasses off and putting them back on.


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Too funny. I didn't get to watch that clip until this morning and it's a scream. (For some reason, my work connection doesn't seem to be able to download YouTube videos properly.) But actually, you got the sunglasses thing wrong. What he's ACTUALLY doing is putting on his sunglasses (or taking them off) because what he's ABOUT to say is totally GOING TO kick ass. He always does it midsentence, right before the "kicker". Man, that's a funny clip.

Albireo, I am a total CSI addict. Well, I don't rearrange my schedule for it or anything, but I have been known to spend an evening here and there doing nothing but watching CSI reruns. But I avoid CSI Miami because it sucks so badly. Unless, of course, I'm in the mood to roll my eyes continuously.

The other character on CSI:Miami that I can't stand is the coroner. She's SO annoying, the way she talks to the dead bodies. "Oh honey, what did they do to you?" "Poor baby, look at you." [Strokes victim's head] GAH!

[ 13 February 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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I'll be honest. I keep telling people about that clip, but I've never made it all the way through. I mean, it's like seven minutes! I can't stand that much CSI, even if it is television's gift to humanity, David Caruso--the only NY dick who knew how to keep Lieutenant-Detective Sipowitz in line.

What I ESPECIALLY hate about the expansion CSIs is the totally weird facial structures of all the non-star actors. I know Hollywood is mostly manufactured flesh anyway, but these guys seem to have alien bone features. Does anyone remember the grotesque Angelina Jolie clone from the first seasons of CSI: NY that they had to replace with a "homey" midwest girl because her lips were just too weird-looking to sustain?


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
The other character on CSI:Miami that I can't stand is the coroner. She's SO annoying, the way she talks to the dead bodies. "Oh honey, what did they do to you?" "Poor baby, look at you." [Strokes victim's head] GAH!
Oh, yes, I forgot about her... is that the blond one with the ususual southern accent and the voice like a 10-year-old girl? Couldn't they have found a (female) actor who looks and sounds like a doctor/scientist/investigator with some depth and intelligence? What the hell next? The Marie Curie story starring Paris Hilton?

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No, she's the ballistics expert, I think. I don't like her all that much either, but I do like the fact that they DO kind of go against "type" and make the blonde bombshell with the high voice the smartest and toughest cookie there.

No, this is the coroner:

Catchfire, I haven't made it through the whole clip either.

[ 13 February 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Not CSI New york but again CSI Miami! She talks like a Robot. I don't know how to make the picture any larger, sorry.

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I personally love the original CSI but lately CSI Miami has grown on me. Though it is not due to David Caruso. I liken Caruso's acting range to that of Chuck Norris on Walker Texas Ranger.

Also his character is too virtuous the man does nothing wrong. Just once I would like to see him drop candy wrapper on the ground or something.


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I saw a rerun recently that I called "Horatio Goes to NY". He and Gary Sinise(sp?), the alpha cop of CSI:NY seemed to be competing for "Coolest Dude With the Lowest Monotonist Voice" award. I didn't notice whose gun was bigger when they finally took down the bvad guy...

Also, I once saw a CSI:Miami in which Horatio didn't take off his sunglasses ONCE! Maybe this was the early years, before he learned to use them for huge dramatic effect.

I love the ballistics babe, and sadly, I love the coroner too. I'm working on a paper: Black Women as Coroners in Dramatic Cop Shows. First Law and Order:SVU, now CSI:Miami. Trend or Tokenism? Coming soon to an under-attended academic panel near you!


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Just watched CSI New York. Gary Sinise is definitely not as bad as David Caruso. He doesn't wear sunglasses.
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Speaking of David Caruso and his sunglasses:

Youtube -- CSI: Miami -- Endless Caruso One Liners


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I think that's the same one Catchfire posted above. Too funny. How is it that I never noticed the sunglasses before this? I've seen a few episodes and his manner makes me crazy-in-a-bad-way, but I guess I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was that was bugging me!

BTW, I like the coroner other than her habit of crooning at the corpses.


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"They get into a jury room, and they realize they [forensic scientists] can do this and that, but the state never offered that as testimony. They're only supposed to evaluate the evidence," said Randy Means, spokesman for Orange-Osceola State Attorney Lawson Lamar. "It's happening more and more. This is harmful to justice."

How is it harmful to justice to have a jury that demands more evidence before making that conviction? In fact, I think it's beneficial to justice.


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Forensic Evidence Shows Signs of Feeble Struggle

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A report released by the Polk County Coroner's Office Tuesday concluded that local resident Brian Christopher, 24, died a "sniveling coward of a man" after a feeble struggle to protect himself against the killer in his bedroom this weekend.

"The angle of the cuts on the victim's forearms and palms suggests he was shielding his face and lunging at the attacker with ineffectual, essentially girl-like movements," read an excerpt from the report. "Abrasions on the victim's knees indicate intense pleading, and the urine stains found on his pajamas were so obviously his own, DNA tests were unnecessary."

Fibers found under Christopher's fingernails, forensic investigators said, showed that immediately after the attack, a dazed and bloody Christopher most likely crawled to a corner of a room where his old blankie was, clutched it close to his body, and died in a pool of his own tears.



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I was all ready to be absolutely outraged - and then I noticed it was The Onion.
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Another amusing thing I noticed about the CSI's is that they always go into houses where there has been a crime and NEVER turn on the lights but use flashlights!
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I KNOW! What's up with that? Heck, they don't even have bright light in their labs.
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I watched CSI, the William Peterson one tonight.
It was fun as they were spoofing their show.

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I did too.

Usually during ratings month (May) the networks do stuff like crossover episodes of two different programs, where they swap some of their cast members. This year CBS decided instead to swap writers. The two programs were CSI and Two and a Half Men.

On Monday, the latter program had a CSI-like episode, complete with a dead body, zoom-in animated anatomical explorations, and cheesy flashbacks, presumably written by the CSI people. Tonight the CSI episode was written by the comedy writers of Two and a Half Men. There was even a brief cameo appearance by the three major cast members of that show, and the title was mentioned a couple of times in the script.


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That sounds fabulous! I wish I'd seen that!
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