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Michelle
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posted 27 June 2006 04:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wanted to start this thread because I was interested in reactions to Chris Pronger leaving Edmonton since that was big news yesterday, but then I noticed in the Edmonton Journal this morning that Craig MacTavish might be leaving too, and perhaps others might want to talk about other trades and draft picks. So, what the heck - open thread on the NHL.

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First Chris Pronger. Now Craig MacTavish?

The Edmonton Oilers had an option for one more year with their head coach. However, the organization didn't exercise it, which leaves MacTavish without a contract and essentially a free agent.

Given his track record, especially the still-hard-to-believe playoff push, MacTavish will undoubtedly be fielding a lot of offers by other teams in the next few days. But Oilers president and chief executive officer Patrick LaForge believes MacTavish will remain with the club.


Contract? What contract?


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josh
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posted 27 June 2006 05:35 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pronger has requested a trade, but I don't think he's been moved yet.

[ 27 June 2006: Message edited by: josh ]


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Sven
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posted 27 June 2006 05:39 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't understand why Pronger wants to leave Edmonton (and, presumably, head back to the States). The Oil fans worshiped him. I'd like it if Minny picked him up but I get the sense that he would really like warmer climes than the tundra of either Canada or Minny.

From my vantage point, I'm very excited about Demitra being traded from LA to Minny. If we can now re-sign Gaborik, then I expect the Wild to do reasonably well this year.

I'm a bit surprised by the short-term contracts that are being signed. Is that a function of the cap (i.e., the players don't want to lock themselves into long-term contracts on the expectation that league revenues will be increasing over time)?

In any event, I'm going to be very excited to be back in my seats at the Xcel Energy Center come this fall.


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josh
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posted 27 June 2006 05:43 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reportedly, Pronger's wife is not too happy about the prospect of a multi-year stay in Edmonton.
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posted 27 June 2006 05:53 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
Reportedly, Pronger's wife is not too happy about the prospect of a multi-year stay in Edmonton.

I wonder why they (Pronger and his wife) didn't think about that at the time they were considering signing a five-year contract?


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posted 27 June 2006 09:40 AM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

I wonder why they (Pronger and his wife) didn't think about that at the time they were considering signing a five-year contract?


It takes about a year to realise that Edmonton sucks and you wanna get the hell outta here. Unfortunately circumstance doesn't always make that possible.


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Jooge
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posted 27 June 2006 09:44 AM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I wanted to start this thread because I was interested in reactions to Chris Pronger leaving Edmonton since that was big news yesterday, but then I noticed in the Edmonton Journal this morning that Craig MacTavish might be leaving too, and perhaps others might want to talk about other trades and draft picks. So, what the heck - open thread on the NHL.

Contract? What contract?


Apparently they are committed to resigning McaTavish but didn't want the distraction during the play offs. Interesting though because had the Oilers not made the playoffs there was a lot of speculation he would be gone. For all their success in this year's playoffs, a playoff run does not a good coach make. My personal opinion is that they can do better....


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posted 27 June 2006 04:45 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The salary cap is being bumped up again for next year. It will go up to $44 or $45 Million per team. That will be the second "bump" since the lockout.

I guess the ownership weren't really hurting as much as they said they were. I'm not surprised.


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Sven
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posted 27 June 2006 09:53 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
The salary cap is being bumped up again for next year. It will go up to $44 or $45 Million per team. That will be the second "bump" since the lockout.

I guess the ownership weren't really hurting as much as they said they were. I'm not surprised.


Yeah, but didn't several teams go bankrupt (Ottawa and Buffalo) or ride the cusp of bankruptcy? Some teams made loads of money under the old system but, overall, I don't think the league was financially healthy. The new system is going to help ensure the long-term health of the league, IMO.


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N.Beltov
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posted 27 June 2006 11:27 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A big deal was made, at the time, of the "intransigent" (or whatever perjorative is most suitable) approach of the NHLPA and the "gap" between the owners' "offer" and that of the NHLPA. We've now had, not one but, two increases to the cap that allegedly meant so much at the time for the "preservation" of the league.

The question of there being richer and poorer teams had more to do with the unwillingness of the teams to do any sort of revenue sharing and the like, which had very little to do with the players and everything to do with the determination of the rich teams to stay rich and give the finger to the poorer teams.


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posted 28 June 2006 12:04 AM      Profile for Rambler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
The salary cap is being bumped up again for next year. It will go up to $44 or $45 Million per team. That will be the second "bump" since the lockout.

I guess the ownership weren't really hurting as much as they said they were. I'm not surprised.


The original salary cap was set very conservatively at 39M because the league didn't know how the fans would respond to the "New NHL". It turns out that in Canada at least the fans came back better then ever, and coupled with the dramatic rise in the Canadian Dollar that profits exceeded expectations by a large margin.

I'm pretty sure that the rises in the cap are mostly due to those facts and profits will flatten out considerably meaning slower increases in the cap in the the next 10 years. The 5Mil jump is basically a one off.

Rumor has it that Pronger's wife is indeed not happy, and there has been some talk that Pronger had some encounters with another woman that she may have found out about. Who knows. Hopefully Lowe can hit a homerun on the trade.

I'm pretty sure that the only other NHL team currently without a head coach is Boston, so it looks like a lock that MacT will be back for another contract in Edmonton.

Calgary aquired Tanguay for Leopold which kind of scares this edmonton fan. The ony thing holding the Flames back last year was their laughable inability to put pucks in the net.


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Sven
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posted 28 June 2006 07:44 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, according to TSN, Mark Cuban and Dan Marino are interested in buying the Pens. Any thoughts? Good, bad or indifferent if Cuban is an owner?
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500_Apples
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posted 28 June 2006 11:38 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
People canm moan and whine about cuban's heavy hand all they want, but the fact is he's an owner who cares about the team - he took the dallas mavs from being a joke to being a team for the ages.
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Jooge
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posted 28 June 2006 02:30 PM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
A big deal was made, at the time, of the "intransigent" (or whatever perjorative is most suitable) approach of the NHLPA and the "gap" between the owners' "offer" and that of the NHLPA. We've now had, not one but, two increases to the cap that allegedly meant so much at the time for the "preservation" of the league.

The question of there being richer and poorer teams had more to do with the unwillingness of the teams to do any sort of revenue sharing and the like, which had very little to do with the players and everything to do with the determination of the rich teams to stay rich and give the finger to the poorer teams.


As they have played only one year under the new system I was under the impression that there had been only one increase (i.e. the latest of $39M to $44M). The salary cap is set at a specific percentage of league revenue. The teams took in higher than expected revenues so the cap went up. If they take in less this coming year then the cap will go down.

There was intransigence on both sides. The players seemed unwilling to accept that hockey is not in the same league as MLB, NBA or the NFL. The owners on the other hand wouldn't prepared to acknowldege that their inability to work as a group and curtail sky rocketing salaries was just feeding player demands. When it comes down to it the owners always had the ability to say no. Unfortunately a small but signifcant number of them refused to do so, focussing on the success of their own teams rather than on the overall health of the league. Frankly they deserved each other.


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posted 28 June 2006 03:18 PM      Profile for saskganesh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
Is that a function of the cap (i.e., the players don't want to lock themselves into long-term contracts on the expectation that league revenues will be increasing over time)?


they lowered the UFA age to 29, so players will become unrestricted free agents earlier. that may explain the short term nature of some deals. with the Cap in place, roster movement will happen out of necessity, which will have a league-wide dominoe effect.

for key players, and players perceived to be key, they are getting longer term deals.

lots of free agents out there. there is going to be a lot of movement between now and next week.


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posted 30 June 2006 12:03 AM      Profile for mason89        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[Potential libelous statement removed by moderator] and his wife is making him leave Edmonton. Well that's what I hear anyway.

[ 30 June 2006: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Michelle
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posted 30 June 2006 04:16 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Um, no, I don't think so. Subject your own web site to libel threats, not ours. I'm editing that out of your post.
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posted 02 July 2006 02:00 PM      Profile for mason89        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't worry. You can just read it in the newspapers when it becomes "public".
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Michelle
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posted 02 July 2006 02:42 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's fine with me. Then you can talk about it to your heart's content.
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posted 02 July 2006 02:54 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
That's fine with me. Then you can talk about it to your heart's content.

Good move, Michelle. I saw that the Oilers' fan message board was plagued with rumors about Pronger and they were threatened with a lawsuit from one of the parties subject to the rumors. So, their policy is: No speculation is permitted about why Pronger is leaving...on threat of immediately being banned from the board!


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posted 03 July 2006 06:02 PM      Profile for RANGER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Saw it on the board this morning: Pronger traded to the Ducks for Lupl and a few prospects.
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posted 03 July 2006 09:15 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RANGER:
Saw it on the board this morning: Pronger traded to the Ducks for Lupl and a few prospects.

The Oil lost their heart with the Pronger trade to the Ducks. Roli will have to be twice as good last year as he was in the playoffs this year for that team to do much next year. Too bad to see Prongs go...to the Ducks, of all teams.


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posted 03 July 2006 10:12 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd say it's a good trade for the Oilers, they got so much out of it.
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posted 08 July 2006 06:52 AM      Profile for killerfish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oil fan from nyc here...can someone tell me why players are bolting edmonton? is it just the location, is there something wrong in the organization?
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posted 08 July 2006 08:50 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by killerfish:
oil fan from nyc here...can someone tell me why players are bolting edmonton? is it just the location, is there something wrong in the organization?

Could be the location, sure. We should have divy'd North America along a north-south longitudinal border line. Either Florida or California could have been a Canadian province. That works for me. I think there are about a million? or so Canadian's in California now as it is. There are quite a few Quebecers in California and Florida. I was in N. Calfornia for about six months myself, and I didn't really wanna come home. As fascist as they may have become down there, there are parts of the U.S. that are absolutely beautiful places to be. Have money will travel.


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posted 11 July 2006 04:36 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are the free agency market trades pretty much done? Any big (or bigger) names out there still trying to ink a deal with a new team?
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