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Boom Boom
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posted 12 March 2006 09:02 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The end of the Sopranos finally begins

The Soprano's ain't no Brady Bunch.

Don't scroll down if you're taping for later (thanks, Michelle).

[ 04 April 2006: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]


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posted 12 March 2006 09:43 AM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's a show I wish I had been able to follow. I've always loved the work of Gandolfini, he's pretty much been great in every movie he played in.
Never seen an episode of Sopranos, though...

In the first weeks it was mentioned in the tv-guides over here, I thought it was some program about classical music
Never cared to look past the title.

Later when I found out it was about a mafia-family, the season had almost ended.

A former colleague of mine was always pretty enthousiastic about it. I was meaning to check it out sometime, but the only times he mentioned it was when we were working together in the evening. He'd be whining about how he'd have to miss the show, thus letting me know I was missing an opportunity to finally watch the show for the first time...

Let me hear a big "Yeeeah!" for working irregular hours:
Yeeeah!

But I'll keep an eye out for reruns (or a new season )


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posted 12 March 2006 10:09 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I watched most of the first two seasons, but wasn't able to keep up with it. I think I can watch the entire run of this final season. Wonder who gets whacked tonight?
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posted 12 March 2006 10:16 AM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably some wiseguy who couldn't keep his trap shut...

And you know the sayin': "Loose lips, sink wiseguys with cement shoes"

[ETA: Quelle blague ennuyeux... ]

[ 12 March 2006: Message edited by: Clog-boy ]


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posted 12 March 2006 10:23 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never watched before, but I might tonight.

Does someone get whacked on every episode?


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posted 12 March 2006 10:28 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno. Has Tony turned warm and fuzzy?
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posted 12 March 2006 10:33 AM      Profile for alisea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We're terrible at watching shows as they air -- I hate commercials, and life is generally chaotic.

So we've watched all the seasons of the Sopranos, on DVD, as they've come out. I just stay away from spoilers :-). That's also how we've watched Lost and Six Feet Under.

Our local independent video store has the box sets for $12 for a week, $15 for two. I'm happy to pay a dollar or two a day to skip the ads :-)

No, people don't get whacked every episode, but the threat is always there


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posted 12 March 2006 10:35 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In yesterday's paper, it said that dinner at a particular restaurant was always a sign someone was going to get whacked.

I can't figure that out. If you knew that, then why would you ever go to those dinners?


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posted 12 March 2006 10:39 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe that was known to Tony, but not the others, skdadl. Just guessin', is all. Besides, anyone who knew there would be a whacking probably goes prepared with their own 'piece'.
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posted 12 March 2006 10:40 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh. Would you ever go to a meeting with Tony without packing heat?
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posted 12 March 2006 10:43 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Riding my hobby-horse: Romanticizing the mafia drives me nuts. Presenting these thugs and murderers as cool or even interesting. I don't care how talented the writer, director, actors are. My family has very old mafia connections. I know what these 'wise-guys' have done, what it cost to stand up to them. They are ignorant, violent leeches on vulnerable communities. They use force, intimidation and brutality. They are motivated by greed. There is NOTHING cool about them. And I mean gangs of whatever ethnicity.

I could go on but won't. . .


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posted 12 March 2006 10:49 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by alisea:
We're terrible at watching shows as they air -- I hate commercials, and life is generally chaotic.

The Sopranos is presented uncut and commercial free on TMN on ExpressVu.


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posted 12 March 2006 10:52 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by fern hill:
Riding my hobby-horse: Romanticizing the mafia drives me nuts.

Oh, I felt the same way when The Godfather started. But it's fiction, a story, with great acting (incredible acting from Gandofino). I hate war, but I watched most of the movies about WWII and Viet Nam. I don't think the series portrays Tony and the boys as great role models.


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posted 12 March 2006 10:53 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
The Sopranos is presented uncut and commercial free on TMN on ExpressVu.

Then there's Bit Torrent -- good price, fine quality.


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posted 12 March 2006 10:57 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My favourite mob movie so far is still the 1987 version of The Untouchables - for once, Sean Connery got a chance to show what he can do.

And there is a great whacking scene in that movie. I think it is Capone (De Niro) who rises from his place at the head of a luncheon table, all his men seated around, and begins to speak to them all as he walks about behind them ... and then suddenly he produces a baseball bat and brings it down with full force on one unsuspecting schmoe's head.

A true whack if I ever saw one.


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posted 12 March 2006 11:05 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
My favourite mob movie so far is still the 1987 version of The Untouchables

And at the end, DePalma's homage to the 'Odessa Steps' sequence from Eisenstein's Battleship Potemkin doesn't suck either.


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Hey, yeah! Remind me ... it's a train station they're in, isn't it? And all those steps ... is there a baby carriage? It's coming back to me, slowly ...
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posted 12 March 2006 11:15 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Hey, yeah! Remind me ... it's a train station they're in, isn't it? And all those steps ... is there a baby carriage? It's coming back to me, slowly ...

Yeah, just about all it lacks is the old woman getting shot in the eye, and the blood-spattered spectacles.

Oh, and the only soldiers are a couple of sailors who walk past at one point.

ETA: He also uses the 'expectation' of the bloody spectacles for those who recognize the scene by putting specs like those on the mother with the baby carriage. He makes us expect her to get killed thereby. Very well done, IMO.

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posted 12 March 2006 12:02 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by skdadl:
My favourite mob movie so far is still the 1987 version of The Untouchables - for once, Sean Connery got a chance to show what he can do.

Yeah, that was good. Seen it many times.


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posted 12 March 2006 12:33 PM      Profile for NWOntarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Clog-boy:
I've always loved the work of Gandolfini, he's pretty much been great in every movie he played in.

I like Gandolfini as well, but The Last Castle was awful. Robert Redford wasn't that great in it either, so maybe it was just the script.


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posted 12 March 2006 12:39 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
In yesterday's paper, it said that dinner at a particular restaurant was always a sign someone was going to get whacked.

I can't figure that out. If you knew that, then why would you ever go to those dinners?


Well, they eat at Vesuvio a lot so for the mobsters it isn't a forshadowing of death.


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posted 12 March 2006 07:26 PM      Profile for Tehanu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
The Untouchables ... And there is a great whacking scene in that movie. I think it is Capone (De Niro) who rises from his place at the head of a luncheon table, all his men seated around, and begins to speak to them all as he walks about behind them ... and then suddenly he produces a baseball bat and brings it down with full force on one unsuspecting schmoe's head.

A true whack if I ever saw one.


Yeah, and all the while he's making a speech about the importance of teamwork. I've often considered showing that clip when doing a team-building workshop, but alas I think it might send the wrong message.

Fern Hill, I agree with you in principle about romanticizing the mob, and glory knows it's been done to death ... but there's a bad little part of me that enjoys such movies. Just as I've been known to get into other violent movies and TV shows. Up to a point. I guess the unfortunate thing is that the writing and acting talent that goes into the best mob movies would be better employed elsewhere, but I think that about bankers and lawyers, too!


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posted 12 March 2006 07:37 PM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tehanu:

Yeah, and all the while he's making a speech about the importance of teamwork. I've often considered showing that clip when doing a team-building workshop, but alas I think it might send the wrong message.


I bet if you do show it, they'll be eating out of the palm of your hand for the rest of the workshop..!

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The main thing the Sopranos does is emphasis just how empty and shallow the life of a gangster really is. Sure they have tons of money, all the sex they can grab. every drug under the sun available to them and every accessory and convenience a person could desire.

But even while wallowing in the excesses of rampant consumerism and endless pleasure centre stimulus each and every one of the mobsters is still an angry, unsatisfied, petulant, violent animal prone to deadly outbursts at the slightest provocation.

The sort of people it is well advised to avoid whenever possible. The ultimate social outcast who still needs to be seen as 'on top of it'.


Fascinating what we find 'entertaining' isn't it?


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Tony gets shot by his own uncle, accidentally. Neat plot twist. Will Tony die? Stay tuned, I guess.
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Tony showed some humanity last night, he was the only one concerned enough to go over and see his uncle (Uncle Junior, suffering from senile dementia)and make sure he got a meal in him, even if he did get shot for his efforts. Then, again, he showed his other side, in not letting one of the foot soldiers retire at 52, because we've all promised to be there until the end. The poor snook - his father died at 54, he feels he ain't got much time left, wants to retire in Florida with his $2million inheritance, his wife wants to buy a new house in Florida, but Tony says, no, you're in the family for life, even if you're no use to the family. Oh, and by the way, the poor snook gives Tony a share of his inheritance, maybe it was a bribe, maybe it's a family thing? How much, like 10%? Great to see Lorraine Bracco back as his shrink, but what's with the short skirts every time? Oh, and Tony does a whacking himself (Tony's cousin, Tony Blundetto) just to stay in shape. This is TV at its best, even if the main characters are all a bunch of dirty rotten parasitic scum, the very dregs of society, trying no more than to put food on the table for their family, oh, yeah, and I want my cut. Really. Don't make me get out and whack you.

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posted 13 March 2006 07:18 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Sopranos has one of the best TV devices I've ever seen - a mobster making regular use of a shrink. A mobster goes to a shrink. How mind-boggling is that??? I remember my brain exploding when that was introduced. And Tony makes passes at his therapist, obviously wants sex with her (sex with your therapist - my brain hurts) but she rejects him every time.

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posted 13 March 2006 07:48 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I understand now why shrinks have a couch in their office.
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posted 13 March 2006 07:52 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sex with your therapist.
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Hey, you might want to put "spoiler alert" for people who might have taped the show for later.
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Hey, you might want to put "spoiler alert" for people who might have taped the show for later.

Acck! Never thought of that. Will do.


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quote:
Romanticizing the mafia drives me nuts. Presenting these thugs and murderers as cool or even interesting.

I feel the same way about cop shows.


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Poor Janice. Most of her major stuff happens off-stage now. At the beginning of the fifth season, we find out she married Bobby. Now, at the beginning of the sixth season, we find out she had a kid.

Now that Tony's been shot (don't expect him to pass on just yet) and has hit the scales at 285, maybe a slimmer Tony is in our future?


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That was a great scene of Tony at the scales, removing items of clothing to bring his weight down - I do that all the time. Drives the nurse at the clinic absolutely bonkers (I get the nurse to do my weight on highly accurate clinic scales). She ran out of the room when I start removing my pants.
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posted by Boom Boom: ... removing items of clothing ... I do that all the time. Drives the nurse at the clinic absolutely bonkers ... She ran out of the room when I start removing my pants.
Shouldn't this post have an adult content warning?

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Not being a TV watcher, I thought this was about Toady Blair, and Dubya and the Harpie stopping off in London on their way home from Afghanistan.
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Speaking of which, Henry Champ, the CBC's man in Washington, says Dubya got a hard-on when he heard about Harpoon's speech in Afganistan today (not his exact words, but close).
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Just watched the current episode. It's an incredibly well done series about a really awful subject - the Mob. But the Mob's sense of family, entitlement, intimidation, control, violence, and their reach - it's all there. Scary to imagine that some of this fictionalized account probably does exist in reality. Lazy shiftless bums use fear and force to profit off the work of others.
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I once had to give a deliver a lecture for English class. I used "the Mob" to refer to mafia, but my English teacher interfered. She asked me: "What do you mean with mob? A multitude of people? That doesn't make sense in your lecture?!"
So I tried to convince her that "the Mob" was something like a slang name for mafia. She wouldn't believe me!
I got pretty pissed off, and maintained my position that the Mob was a correct and common name for the mafia.
She insisted I used the word mafia. Instead, I refused, so she started to threaten to send me out the classroom.
I paused for a moment, turned and started walking straight towards the door. She asked: "What are you going to do?"
I said: "If you're gonna insist on me using a word, simply because the word isn't in your limited vocabulary, I'll be the wiser man and take leave myself" I was like 15 years old...

I've never given in to her! She'd harass me the rest of the year, trying to convert me to use mafia instead of Mob.
But I stuck with the Mob! Once you're in the Mob, ya never get out!

Btw, when I was doing my time in the hallway that day, another door burst open and some other kid got thrown out by a blazing teacher. Turned out he had taken this girl's schoolbag (with books and all in it) and thrown it out the window, 2 stories down. She had actually said to him: "I dare you to throw my bag out the window!" Guess he wasn't much into bluffin'!

Ahhh, kids.... They do the darnest things!


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I was disappointed that Tony woke up from his coma, because the storyline involving the mistaken identity and the other guy was just getting interesting - you know, the guy Tony was mistaken for, the guy who sold and installed the air conditioning to the Buddhist monks.
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