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Stockholm
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posted 25 May 2004 11:16 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Needless to say Paul Martin has been a big disappointment to the great unwashed. For years, the journalists had led us to believe that you had to wear sunglasses in the presence of the great MARTIN in case if the intense brightness of his ideas and personality and capability might be so intense as to be blinding!

So far, I find him quite lackluster and worst of all. I watch him speak - esp. when he attacks the Conservatives for having the same policies as he has - and i get the feeling that he doesn't believe what he is saying! He stutters and gets this shifty look in his yees and you just know that he is reading a script he doesn't really believe in. Kinda reminds of Ernie Eves during the Ontario campaign talking about his belief in families values while screwing his concubine at home.


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beverly
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posted 25 May 2004 11:20 AM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I find Martin to be a very poor orator.
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paxamillion
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posted 25 May 2004 11:36 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks, Stockholm. I was trying to think of who Martin's commercials reminded me of. It's Ernie Eves.

The guy just doesn't have credibility with me. The polls say I'm not alone.


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beverly
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posted 25 May 2004 11:45 AM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I also still think he has really wierd eyebrows.
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Sean in Ottawa
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posted 25 May 2004 12:08 PM      Profile for Sean in Ottawa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't like Martin. However, he does not sound like Evening Eves -- the only thing they have in common is roughly their age.

Oh, and he was a former finanace minister offering to repair the damage caused by his own budgets.

Oh and they both have a hard time making up their minds on anything.

Of course if Martin loses the election that would be another.

On second thought, they actually may have more similarities than they appear to have.


Seriously,
I have to say I am a bit disturbed at some of the ageism that is coming out these days. Martin is not that old and we should not criticize people based on their ages. Let's be fresh and new but not go after someone who is only 65 and pretend that at this age you have nothing else to offer.


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Maxx
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posted 25 May 2004 12:09 PM      Profile for Maxx     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by kuba:
I find Martin to be a very poor orator.

Hey, that didn't stop Jean Chretien, and he was much much worse (as an orator).

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Maxx
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posted 25 May 2004 12:14 PM      Profile for Maxx     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

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beverly
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posted 25 May 2004 12:23 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Martin stutters also like he doesn't know what he's suppose to be saying. Chretian said some pretty stupid things,but Martin sounds clueless.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 27 May 2004 05:03 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the paulmartintime.ca quotes page

quote:
"No one in Canadian politics has a fake smile that looks nearly as fake as Paul Martin's fake smile. Even at the best of times, when Martin is refreshed and revitalized, his fake smile leads one to assume that Martin's foot is being stepped on by an antelope."

Paul Martin's speechwriter, Scott Feschuk, writing in the National Post on September 16, 2003.


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"His public comments are often as amorphous as they are sweeping. Some recent remarks on the Kyoto climate control treaty were so ambiguous that his aides had to clarify that he was indeed in favor of the agreement... What he actually does believe has become a matter of conjecture."

New York Times reporter Clifford Krauss, describing Paul Martin



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thwap
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posted 27 May 2004 05:25 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post
'Waiting For Martin' is a pretty good indictment of Martin's phoniness.
His desperate, stammering platitudes and his mystification at Canadians' failure to be awestruck at same, show that he's out of his depth.
Maybe he had everything handed to him, and now he doesn't know what to do.

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Jesse Hoffman
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posted 27 May 2004 09:14 AM      Profile for Jesse Hoffman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I hate it when Martin pretends to get all fired up when he's talking as if he actually believes in and cares about what is saying. The insincerity is glaring though. I can't stand watching him talk.
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Michelle
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posted 27 May 2004 09:23 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Actually, I disagree that Chretien was a bad orator. He was damned charismatic, and if you watched him during question period, he was the past master at absolutely cutting retorts and debating. He's really quite brilliant at public speaking.

It's true that he doesn't speak English extremely well (and from what I have heard he doesn't speak French all that great either, but I wouldn't know about that) and that his accent is thick. But you don't have to have excellent grammar to be a really good and interesting orator. One of the most engaging, hammiest people I know has a thick, Persian accent and often gets the grammar slightly wrong. But people sit up and listen when he speaks.

It's charisma, and Chretien has it in spades.


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Tackaberry
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posted 27 May 2004 09:23 AM      Profile for Tackaberry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was thinking Martin looks like crap. Hope he doesnt get any rest before the debate. I'd do everything I can to keep him very busy the couple of days before.
Live camera, 2 hours, and those lights will be rough for him.

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rasmus
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posted 27 May 2004 09:37 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
He'll have a pancake of makeup on at the debate. Hopefully the lights will be hot.

Well I feel I called it quite early, and I don't mind saying so. Martin is a paper tiger!

One of the papers quoted him yesterday as saying "Stephen Harper is a moderate... oh, ah, oh... I mean the contrary." Watch out Stephen Harper, Paul Martin is coming after you!


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Albireo
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posted 27 May 2004 01:37 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here:
quote:
Paul Martin's tongue got in the way last week when he mistakenly called Stephen Harper a "moderate." Attending his own nomination meeting in the Montreal riding of LaSalle-Emard Thursday, Martin was attempting to explain just how extremely right wing Harper is in comparison to former Ontario premier Mike Harris. "In comparison to Mike Harris, Stephen Harper is a moderate," Martin told 1,000 Liberals who packed the room. He then went on to refer to Harper as "Stephen Harris." "Ah, ah, oh, ahhhh . . . No! It's the contrary," he said, when he realized what he had said.

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Rufus Polson
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posted 27 May 2004 03:23 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Martin is a paper tiger!

You mean, he's a tiger who delivers the newspaper? Politics is so confusing.

I do find that Martin looks wooden as all get out most of the time, and often uncomfortable. There's something about the way his mouth turns down that makes him look nervous and/or depressed even when he's probably actually fairly comfortable. Deer in the headlights.

His material so far has sucked too, but I'm not sure we can blame him. I doubt he writes much of it. Certainly it has little to do with any policies he ever has enacted or ever will enact.


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not a terrorist
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posted 27 May 2004 04:02 PM      Profile for not a terrorist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Liberal's slogan this time round is the same as Martin's former shipping company, CSL:

quote:
Moving forward!

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