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Robbin
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posted 22 March 2005 12:55 PM      Profile for Robbin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most of the music I have listened to in the past has come from the UK. Canadian music though seems to on the rule. So, what music do you think is better: Music from the UK or music from Canada?
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posted 22 March 2005 02:37 PM      Profile for icon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can relate. Most of the artists I listen to are also Canadian or British. I may be biased, but I give Canada the edge. Canada is the would's biggest per capita exporter of recording artists, yet our population is only a little over half that of the UK.

I think the Canadian music scene is becoming more and more diverse as well. There is an emerging urban scene in Toronto centred around Queen St. that can rival anything in London, and a thriving francophone music scene and jazz scene in Québec. Plus the different cultural groups in Canada have had a great influence on the character and sound of Canadian music in a unique way (artists like Nelly Furtado come to mind).


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posted 22 March 2005 03:54 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd give the edge to the UK. Not only do they produce better bands (they also produce a whole lotta crap, but that's to be expected), but they also seem more adventerous. A lot of bands that can't break out here can make inroads in the UK. For example, the Stokes and White Stripes took off in North America after breaking through in the UK, while Montreal's the Dears have got a major label deal and significant mainstream press coverage as a result of their foray across the pond.

A band in the UK can play a ton of gigs in front of a ton of people without travelling very far. the music press is also very vibrant over there, while Canada doesn't have much in the way of high-profile national music publications. What Canada has are enclaves, thriving local scenes, but, due in large part to population and geography, no national domestic infrastructure to allow any non-mainstream artist or band to break into the national consciousness.


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posted 22 March 2005 04:13 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A black_dog sighting!
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posted 22 March 2005 05:57 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Japan, mainland Europe, and Canada. Most of the bands I listen to come from those regions. J-pop is a perfect way to punish myself for not doing well in school. Mainland European generally creates the most bad ass metal bands there are (<3 Rhapsody) as well as Industrial bands galore. Then...Canada. The music here, 'specially the punk, is the love of my life. Canada has a great underground for all genres of music...and hell, we even have our own genres that don't get outside our nation.

I just don't care for the new wave of British rock/punk. Booooooooring.


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posted 22 March 2005 06:28 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
British music is alright, but I am partial to German and Scandinavian bands.
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posted 22 March 2005 07:02 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i'm a canadian living in britain. naturally, i listen to australian music.
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posted 22 March 2005 09:05 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking very generally, I find U.K. pop utilizes musical hooks that are too obvious, too... I dunno saccarine? Wish I could point to a current example, but I can't because I really don't expose myself to it often enough to be that intimate with it.

Although, hypocritically, I'm somewhat forgiving of "BTO", and if ever there were champions of obvious musical hooks, these guys be it. But "Blue Collar" will always remain a favorite of mine.

It's a tough call. I think "The Tea Party" is as good as anything in that particular genre from anywhere in the world-- but other than the groups passports, is there anything intrisically Canadian about the music?

Lately, I've been looking more backwards at music than forwards. Yes, I like "The White Stripes" and perhaps a few other current bands, but I'm more on a quest for the original edge to music, so I've been listening to Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, and thier inheritors like Steve Earl and George Thorogood.

Pretty Amerocentric, but underneath this music and the next step in my quest for the original edge is the folk tunes of Appalachia, which in turn originated from the U.K., principally Scotland, if my understanding is correct.


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Robbin
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posted 23 March 2005 02:31 AM      Profile for Robbin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I guess you like Flannelmouth from Finland then or perhaps The Creeps from Sweden who have probably gaven birth to The Hives. The Creeps though ruled with "Down at the NIght Club" once upon a time. Man, I have that on vinyl. In any case, good to hear that you like spinnage from the other Arctic arena. Check out Flannelmouth though. They are will explode soon!
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posted 23 March 2005 02:41 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have some Guy Lombardo and his RC's (Carmen and Liebert are the best singers Canada has ever produced), Mart Kenney and his Western Gentlemen, Don Messer and this.
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posted 23 March 2005 04:18 AM      Profile for danrayd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While several UK bands are a constant in my rotation (the Libertines, Elbow, Radiohead, etc) I gotta say that, for me, even just all the folk involved in the Broken Social "Scene" (BSS, stars, valley of the giants, metric, etc) are more compelling...I tend to get bored with the UK bands waaaaayyyyy faster than most too....
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I don't have a tv, never got into the downloading frenzy, and the only radio i listen to is cbc1, so my main source of new music is whoever comes through town or plays here regularly. I love live shows! Thus, my tastes are almost totally Canadian. It's amazing how much good stuff is coming out of this country.
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Don't forget the rival west coast New Pornographer crowd (Destroyer, AC Newman, Neko Case). Or a band like Hidden Cameras. And for sure Arcade Fire.

But then there is also the wealth in the singersongwriter crowd that doesn't get exported in Canada. The Alt-rock-country sound.

There is a lot of wealth and depth to Canadian music. Just wish it didn't completely shut down for the winter months .


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posted 23 March 2005 01:03 PM      Profile for mijawara   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kudos from SPIN magazine aside, Canadian indie music is obviously hitting something of a peak right now. Which leads me to wonder what the hell is going on here:

http://www3.junoawards.ca/05_2005_nominees.php

I know it's lame to whine about establishment award shows failing to recognize where the real talent is, but come on: Arcade Fire, A.C. Newman and Stars consigned to the "Alternative" category while Avril gets a songwriting nod and Simple Plan is nominated for album of the year? And for godsakes, what has Great Big Sea done for anyone lately.


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posted 23 March 2005 01:25 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
U.K. Hands Down!

So you think you can tell, heaven from hell...


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posted 23 March 2005 01:43 PM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I usually don't pay any attention to a groups nationality. Heck, I just found out that Green Day aren't Canadian! Their music is, to me, so Canadian. I just never imagined that they would be anything but Canadian.
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posted 23 March 2005 06:00 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Name me one good British punk band.

I raise your Salmonblaster if you do!


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posted 23 March 2005 06:27 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I just found out that Green Day aren't Canadian!

growing up, i thought carlsberg was a canadian beer.


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kuri
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posted 23 March 2005 06:29 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Papal_Bull:
J-pop is a perfect way to punish myself for not doing well in school.

Me singing karaoke to j-pop is a perfect way to punish those around me for whatever reason is needed.


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quote:
Name me one good British punk band.

Too easy.

[ 23 March 2005: Message edited by: scooter ]


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posted 23 March 2005 07:33 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I was hoping you'd say that. (And hoping you wouldn't say the sex pistols!)

[ 23 March 2005: Message edited by: Amy ]


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posted 23 March 2005 08:01 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There, I just raised you Salmonblaster.
Salmonblaster wins.

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No way!!! The Clash would win just about any competition ever, when it comes to punk music anyway.
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posted 23 March 2005 08:10 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm 55, and have never heard The Clash. Hmmmm, have to rectify that. What's their best LP? London Calling?
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posted 23 March 2005 08:13 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
London Calling is their best. Hands down.

But they are crappy punk in my eyes.


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posted 23 March 2005 08:19 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Papal Bull's Garage Band.

Without a doubt it would blow the doors off any whiney British "git" music...


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posted 23 March 2005 08:32 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only real 'loud' music I listen to now are old LP's by _Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels/Detroit_; and _George Thorogood and the Destroyers_. I might go back and listen to some vintage Stones and Who when the mood hits.
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quote:
Originally posted by mijawara:
Kudos from SPIN magazine aside, Canadian indie music is obviously hitting something of a peak right now. Which leads me to wonder what the hell is going on here:

http://www3.junoawards.ca/05_2005_nominees.php

I know it's lame to whine about establishment award shows failing to recognize where the real talent is, but come on: Arcade Fire, A.C. Newman and Stars consigned to the "Alternative" category while Avril gets a songwriting nod and Simple Plan is nominated for album of the year? And for godsakes, what has Great Big Sea done for anyone lately.


I didn't watch the whole Brits awards (or even very much at all!) but I don't imagine there award show has very much going for it (except I do remember a nomination for The Streets, though his latest I have heard wasn't as good as Pirates).

Whatever, the UK has near twice the population and what that allows it to do is produce an emense amount of boy band pop (let me remind people I do believe the reality band craze really took off out of the UK!) and other tripe best left for the laymen public .

Seriously though: I believe the UK is eating up our exports a lot more then we eat up theirs. What thye have sent over is Muse, Franz Ferdinand, and a couple of other notables. Sure they have a very good festival circuit and large music press but when their musical exports are all filed under one genre... it smells of a poor diversity of music.

Notice I am not talking about years past, but the present.

Canada is on a music exporting high which I will attribute to the break through of the BSS (and spin offs, as well as Toronto scene other notables Hidden Cameras and Death from Above "1979") and now from Arcade Fire and some of the other Montreal bands (though sadly there has been the demise of the lovable Unicorns - I believe the Wolf Parade is making it bigger). But also must remember bands like Hot Hot Heat, Constantines, and the Weakerthans which have all seen pretty good amounts of international press. And not to forget some of the electronic stuff: Cariabou (aka Manitoba), Junior Boys, and a couple of others.

No I think the Canadian Music production is way up there compared to other regions (and not solely with a per capita handicap). Not even mentioning Rufus Wainwright, Sarah Harmer, Kathleen Edwards, Hawksley Workman, Hayden, Emm Gryner, and Sarah Slean which is just a whole other dynamic .


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posted 24 March 2005 01:21 AM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Woah, wait a second. I thought that Salmonblaster was a band from like 94ish... are they really your band, PB?
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