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Hephaestion
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posted 27 October 2005 11:03 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From: Advocate.com 27 Oct 05

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Actor George Takei, best known as Mr. Sulu on the classic TV series Star Trek, comes out of the closet in the new issue of Frontiers. Or rather, as he tells editor Alexander Cho, "it's not really coming out, which suggests opening a door and stepping through. It's more like a long, long walk through what began as a narrow corridor that starts to widen." In the interview, the 68-year-old actor also discusses his childhood in a Japanese-American internment camp, his 18-year relationship, his siblings' inability to accept his homosexuality, and the upcoming Los Angeles production of Equus in which he stars.


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posted 27 October 2005 11:10 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's great. I like the narrow hallway metaphor.
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posted 27 October 2005 11:21 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who is his partner?
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posted 27 October 2005 11:28 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Mr. Sulu, you may indulge yourself."
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Hephaestion
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posted 27 October 2005 11:35 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mr. Sulu, the gay blade...




(And here I thought it was odd that this episode had stayed in my head all these years...)

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posted 27 October 2005 11:53 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember that episode. And he wrote a sci-fi novel with a hero who fenced; it wasn't bad.
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posted 27 October 2005 11:58 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm... any idea what the name of it was?
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posted 28 October 2005 12:01 AM      Profile for Yst     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems that Mr. Takei has merely referred to his partner of 18 years, Brad Altman, as his "manager", in the past as his cover.

It also seems that trekkies have known this for a while. A couple Usenet posts on this topic both from trekkie and celebrity groups find trekkies expressing surprised that Mr. Takei was ever considered to be *in* the closet in the first place. Heh.


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posted 28 October 2005 12:03 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Never mind... I found it...

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George's talents extend to writing. In 1979, he co-wrote with Robert Asprin a science-fiction novel, Mirror Friend, Mirror Foe.

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posted 28 October 2005 12:06 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Found it: Mirror Friend, Mirror Foe written with Robert Lynn Asprin in 1979. I like the description I found on a list "Ninjas in space."
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posted 28 October 2005 12:08 AM      Profile for Yst     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Never mind... I found it...


Nifty. I read a couple of Robert Aspirins books. Fairly amusing for what they were.


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Hephaestion
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posted 28 October 2005 12:19 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Contrarian--

What sorta book is it? A Star Trek-derivative, or something else? (And even *more* importantly, is it better than Bill Shatner's?! )


*ugh* typos!

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posted 28 October 2005 12:33 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's so long ago I forget how the story went; not a Star Trek book; a hero of Japanese ethnicity; adventure, maybe some humour, I forget; Asprin does mostly humour nowadays. Not outstanding but it didn't suck. Ninjas in space about covers it.

I never read any of Shatner's books, and very few Star Trek books, which I disliked. I have a few of the picture books; paperback size with pictures from the series; sort of like reading a comic book.


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posted 28 October 2005 01:03 AM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did read a whole bunch of the Trek novels as a kid. Hard to say now whether there wasn anything literary in the bunch -- there probably was -- but the only one I've kept is How Much for Just the Planet, by John M. Ford.

Imagine Douglas Adams writing a Star Trek book as a musical comedy / French sex farce / film noir, and you have some idea of what the book is like; it also helps that Ford was apparently pissed off at the Paramount company for the way they treated his first Trek novel, which was written from the perspective of the Klingons. (Reminds me, I should look for that novel.) The plot in a nutshell is that the Federation and the Klingons both simultaneously discover a planet with vast reserves of dilithium (used as starship fuel), but the planet's inhabitants have a plan to scare their would-be colonizers away, a plan that involves much singing, dancing, and quoting of classic films. Wonderful silly fun with an edge.

Anyhow... right on, George Takei!


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posted 28 October 2005 02:20 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm just glad it wasn't Shatner.

He's campy enough straight.

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posted 28 October 2005 02:11 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I prefer THIS George Takei thread. Less trolling. However, on that *other* GT thread, Ichy Smith made a comment that is worth reproducing...

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I think it is great. If only more gay people of influence would come out so that gay children had more to aim for. I think it is important for children to have role models and there are so few role models who have been secure enough that the information wouldn't destroy their careers, that they can afford to come forward. Not every child wants to be Elton John......


Well said, Ichy! Let's hear it for guys like George Takei and Ian McKellen, who have the guts to come out and be role models (and for that matter, gals like Sheryl Swoops, too...) Good on ya, people!

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posted 28 October 2005 02:14 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heph I have the book if you want it.

It was a decent B adventure book about ninjas in space essentially


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posted 28 October 2005 02:59 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Bacchus, but I know a local Trekkie who I just BET will have a copy...
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posted 28 October 2005 06:59 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bad joke warning!

When he came out did he uncloak?

[insert smilie for pained expression]


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I'm certainly in agreement that having gay role models for kids is important. However, in discussion with my spouse, she was critical of Takei for only coming out now. I forget the article I read the news in, but it had a quote that said (and I'm paraphrasing pretty severly here people) "I came out now because America is a more accepting country than when I was younger".

Her point was that if Mr. Sulu had come out in the 70s or 80s, when he was a major entertainment figure, he would have been a hell of a lot more helpful to gay youth. Kind of harsh, but... probably technically accurate.

The only response to that I could think of would be to say that it would have destroyed his career (likely true) and he was justified in staying in the closet. Of course, some people might argue that not helping gay youth to protect your career is selfish, but hey, it WAS the 80s...

(edited to make it a little more readable)

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quote:
Originally posted by crigaux:
I'm certainly in agreement that having gay role models for kids is important. However, in discussion with my spouse, she was critical of Takei for only coming out now. I forget the article I read the news in, but it had a quote that said (and I'm paraphrasing pretty severly here people) "I came out now because America is a more accepting country than when I was younger".

So long as they didn't engage in overtly homophobic behavior (especially political behavior) while in the closet, I'm inclined to cut those gay people 'of a certain age' alot of slack.

The alternative is that they stay closeted right to the grave-- or beyond-- and, truly, who does that serve? Better late than never.

I'm sure there are 18-year-olds today who would criticize me for not coming out at work until I was in my 30s (c. 1995). To that, all I can say is, "Well, sorry to offend. Should I go back in?"

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Takei will be a spokesman for HRC.
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posted 30 March 2006 09:16 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Too bad HRC are such toadying, obsequious sell-outs. Whatsa matter? Was HRC's favorite pet straight boy not doing the job for them?


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He will also guest-star (along with Whitney Spears and Wanda Sykes) on Will and Grace tonight.

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BUY, BUY BABY
JACKTALK GETS A NEW LOOK- BRITNEY SPEARS AND WANDA SYKES GUEST STAR- After a large corporation takes over OutTV, Jack's (Sean Hayes) talk show "JackTalk" is completely revamped. An immediate change comes when the new conservative owners hire Amber-Louise (guest star Britney Spears) as "JackTalk's" new co-host. While Jack is deciding whether or not he'll stand up to his new bosses, Karen (Megan Mullally) goes baby shopping. After seeing Grace (Debra Messing) so happy about her pregnancy, Karen decides she wants a baby of her own and offers to pay a make-up lady, Cricket (guest star Wanda Sykes), to carry one for her.


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posted 30 March 2006 08:27 PM      Profile for The Evil Twin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just out of curiousity...has there ever been a gay character (minor or major) on any of the various Treks? It seems odd that the relatively tolerant progressive future universe (at least the Federation) portrayed in Trek has NOT ONE GLBT character, at least not one I can recall.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Evil Twin:
Just out of curiousity...has there ever been a gay character (minor or major) on any of the various Treks? It seems odd that the relatively tolerant progressive future universe (at least the Federation) portrayed in Trek has NOT ONE GLBT character, at least not one I can recall.

A Gay Trek Timeline.

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1987 Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry promises gay characters.
...
1991 The Advocate reports that ST:TNG will feature gay characters.... However, nowehere in the fifth-to-seventh seasons of ST:TNG were any gay characters ever shown, perhaps due to Roddenberry's death on October 26, 1991. Ernie Over, an openly gay man who was Roddenberry's personal assistant at Paramount, and who was quoted in The Advocate, was dismissed shortly after Roddenberry's death. Rick Berman takes control of the Star Trek franchise.
...
3/16/1992 Star Trek: The Next Generation / 5th season episode "The Outcast".... Commander Riker (Jonathan Frakes) falls in love with a member of an androgynous race (the J'naii), then is horrified to find that their species forbids gender-specific relationships.... All the androgynous characters were played by females, a decision Frakes disagreed with; he felt his love interest should have been played by a male.
...
1997 Seven of Nine rumored to be a lesbian on Star Trek: Voyager.... Voyager executive producer Jeri Taylor stated this was not going to happen, and that "for various reasons there has been opposition" to a gay or lesbian character on the series.
...
2000 Ex-Star Trek producer says "people in charge" don't want gay characters.

Bottom line: The record for the ST novels and comics is a bit better, but no, no GLBTs on TV.


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posted 31 March 2006 09:58 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Crippled_Newsie:

Bottom line: The record for the ST novels and comics is a bit better, but no, no GLBTs on TV.



Sex with aliens and androids? Yeah, that's cool. But sex with two pee-pees? Oooo! Mustn't have that!

"To boldly follow where everyone has already gone..." Doesn't have the same ring, somehow.

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There is the famous quote from James Kirk on the rumours he and Spock were lovers:

"I was never aware of this lovers rumor although I have been told that Spock encountered it several times. Apparently he had always dismissed it with his characteristic lifting of his right eyebrow which usually connoted some combination of surprise, disbelief, and/or annoyance. As for myself, although I have no moral or other objections to physical love in any of its many earthly, alien and mixed forms, I have always found my best gratification in that creature woman. Also, I would dislike being thought of as so foolish that I would select a love partner who came into sexual heat only once every seven years."

(Editor's note in the novelization of Star Trek The Motion Picture, credited to Gene Roddenberry.)

Readers of tabloids will note that there is no actual denial of homosexual activity on Kirk's part, nor even of such a relationship between Kirk and Spock.


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I always figured Tasha Yar was a dyke...and only used Data as a dildo......
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The Roddenberry Machine appears to have missed an opportunity for third android in the Data / Lor series, the raunchy sex toy "Dick", currently finishing an exhausting tour of the planet Reisa. A favourite episode involves Dick getting stuck in orgy mode while in the company of Lwaxana Troy, with riotous consequences. Guest appearance by "Flesh Gordon".
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