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Hephaestion
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posted 26 August 2005 07:11 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 


Is this going TOO low?

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An ad for the Dolce & Gabbana fall men's line featuring extremely low-riding jeans - nicknamed "pubic pants" by the fashion press - is an attention grabber, even in New York.

"That's the top of the palm tree!" upper West Side actor Josh Lamon, 24, gasped yesterday when he saw the much-too-revealing photo in the September issue of Esquire.

Krista Olofsson, a Fashion Institute of Technology student sporting multiple piercings, thought the ad went too far below the belt.

"That's a little gross," said Olofsson, 18. "I don't want to see someone's private hair falling out of their pants."


Coming soon to schools everywhere, I betcha!

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posted 26 August 2005 07:19 AM      Profile for raccunk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not sure they would be legal. Isn't showing one's pubic hair considered indecent exposure?

Even if it isn't illegal, it is a little gross. I don't think too many people would find the sight of someone's pubic bush hanging out attractive.


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Hephaestion
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posted 26 August 2005 07:46 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by raccunk:

I don't think too many people would find the sight of someone's pubic bush hanging out attractive.



Y'mean sorta like people wouldn't find models who look like undernourished waifs or heroin addicts attractive? Just like those two "crazes" in modelling that they had not that long ago? Like that, y'mean?

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posted 26 August 2005 07:48 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My situation I imagine: Belt buckle. Hair. Getting tangled. Pulling hairs out. Ough.
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Michelle
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posted 26 August 2005 07:50 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The top of the palm tree!! Hahaha!

Seriously though: eww.


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posted 26 August 2005 08:24 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's funny -- I'm sort of used to hair, so it's not the hair that I notice.

What I always notice on men's, ah, somewhat exposed bodies is that interesting configuration on the sides, the fact that they don't have hips like women, or at least they don't have the hourglass swell -- instead, it's like they have this larger cylinder set on top of a more narrow cylinder, or something like that.

I'm describing this badly, but see the very marked diagonal lines on that fellow's lower sides? Those are quite neat. I mean, very different from me, but that's what sparks the curiosity, no?


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Michelle
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posted 26 August 2005 08:30 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, at least it's a style where the guy exposes himself for a change.
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Hephaestion
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posted 26 August 2005 08:34 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:

...see the very marked diagonal lines on that fellow's lower sides? Those are quite neat.



Ummm... yeah. I agree with ya on that one, 'dadl!

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skdadl
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posted 26 August 2005 08:35 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder whether Esquire gives us a back view.

Actually, when I saw your "palm-tree" reference on TAT, I thought that was what you were referring to.


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brebis noire
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posted 26 August 2005 08:47 AM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone else almost always think they're reading 'public' when it's really 'pubic'? I thought this thread was about public pants.
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skdadl
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Or vice-versa. That's one of the typos I always watch for most in social-science texts.
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Doug
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posted 26 August 2005 08:57 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by brebis noire:
Does anyone else almost always think they're reading 'public' when it's really 'pubic'? I thought this thread was about public pants.

And as socialists, advocating public pants might just be going a little too far.

Yeah, those jeans do definitely seem a bit too low - don't think I'd wear them even if I did look like the model in the ad.


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posted 26 August 2005 09:04 AM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
That's one of the typos I always watch for most in social-science texts.

When I was a kid and my mum gave me textbooks to read in lieu of 'the talk', I remember wondering 'why do they call it public hair when no one wants to show it?'
It took me a long time to figure out it was a whole different word, and the mixup has always stuck with me.


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posted 26 August 2005 09:04 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At least it might be a change from belly buttons.
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posted 26 August 2005 09:49 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In other genital-revealing pants news...

Any babblers requiring their necessity be defined can find out more here.


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skdadl
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posted 26 August 2005 09:54 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aren't those adorable?

And they are probably medically sound as well, at least for youngish men intent on keeping their sperm count high. Healthy sperm, we hear, need to be kept as cool as possible.


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posted 26 August 2005 10:01 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl, if I were engaging in a spot of late-night wrestling on the sofa with a chap, and his strides hit the floor to reveal that... well, it'd be a distraction's all I'm sayin'.
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posted 26 August 2005 10:02 AM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I CANNOT see those being comfortable.

And attractive? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't spend a lot of time admiring that particular area visually.


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skdadl
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posted 26 August 2005 10:04 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
swirrly, do you mean the jeans or the briefs?
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posted 26 August 2005 10:05 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
swirrlygrrl, can't you read? The ad says they're sexy.

They're... unusual, aren't they?


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posted 26 August 2005 10:09 AM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm, I'd say that the comment could be applied to both, though it was meant about the undies. I've also noticed that triangular configuration on men - its interesting.

And you're right Suzette - how dare I determine for myself what's attractive! Advertising should do our thinking for us!


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posted 26 August 2005 10:32 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
I'm describing this badly, but see the very marked diagonal lines on that fellow's lower sides? Those are quite neat.

Having admired those hollows along the pelvic bones for many years, my BF and I have dubbed them 'scoops.'

As for the belt buckle conundrum, surely a man who would wear these trousers has terriblycarefully trimmed pubic hair, no? (Or what we refer to as a 'topiary.')

[ 26 August 2005: Message edited by: Tape_342 ]


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skdadl
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posted 26 August 2005 10:44 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Topiary? But why? Too chicken to get a bikini wax?

Michelangelo does not seem to have thought that those diagonals were quite as straight or as pronounced as in our model. Or does David just have a little more flesh on him?


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posted 26 August 2005 10:53 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:

Michelangelo does not seem to have thought that those diagonals were quite as straight or as pronounced as in our model. Or does David just have a little more flesh on him?

Well, I've always thought much of David's appeal was his well-fed farmboy quality.


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Doug
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posted 26 August 2005 11:19 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While I do like letting the boys hang free, I think I'll stay with my boxers, thanks. Especially when they cost 18 Euros ($26.44) and upward! If I'm spending that on underwear, it had better have silly pictures on it.
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Hephaestion
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posted 26 August 2005 11:23 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*ahem*

I b'leeeeve the correct term is "corn-fed", is it not, Tape? But yes, David is not slight by any means...

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posted 26 August 2005 11:26 AM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heroin chic just wasn't big in the Rennaisance for some reason.
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posted 26 August 2005 11:29 AM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Too chicken to get a bikini wax?

Yes, that would solve problems, wouldn't it? And we would soon see who has REAL courage & who does not!

OOWWW! Even reading & thinking about it makes me cringe!


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posted 26 August 2005 11:51 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, get a bikini wax, then instead of having hair there, you can have red welts and bumps instead! Sexy!
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posted 26 August 2005 12:16 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Or vice-versa. That's one of the typos I always watch for most in social-science texts.
Who knew what vicarious pleasures editors take when working on academic texts!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by brebis noire:
Does anyone else almost always think they're reading 'public' when it's really 'pubic'? I thought this thread was about public pants.

I was about to go on a rant about the inefficiency of the public sector, and instead advocate private pants. However, given the nature of this thread, I have come to realize that would have been a bad, bad, bad idea.


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quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:

I was about to go on a rant about the inefficiency of the public sector, and instead advocate private pants.


I suppose there would be a problem with a bureaucratic, 'one-size-fits-all' approach to trousers.

[ 26 August 2005: Message edited by: Tape_342 ]


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posted 26 August 2005 01:07 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by deBeauxOs:
Who knew what vicarious pleasures editors take when working on academic texts!!!

It's especially problematic in political science, where you can end up accidentally writing about pubic choice theory, pubic policy, pubic administration, or pubic opinion - and spell check won't save you!


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quote:
posted by Doug: It's especially problematic in political science, where you can end up accidentally writing about pubic choice theory, pubic policy, pubic administration, or pubic opinion - and spell check won't save you!
Remember kids, the difference between PUBIC and PUBLIC is helL.

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posted 27 August 2005 11:43 AM      Profile for RealityStick   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't see a lot of difference between those jeans and a lot of the swimsuits (male and female) that I see on the beach down at English Bay (I do so love Vancouver!).

There's an old joke that runs:
(Q) Why is a bikini like a barb-wire fence?
(A) Because it protects the property without obscuring the view.

I guess the same principle applies to the jeans (and, to a slightly lesser extent, the underwear).


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posted 27 August 2005 11:47 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

It's especially problematic in political science, where you can end up accidentally writing about pubic choice theory, pubic policy, pubic administration, or pubic opinion - and spell check won't save you!


True - but a search and replace can help!


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Oh God. Having spent the last five days or so proofreading my dissertation over and over, this thread is making very nervous.
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No worries, kurichina. Seriously - just use the "find and replace" function on your word processor. Type "pubic" into the "find" field, and "public" into the "replace" field, and you should be fine.
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But that might not work - what if her dissertation includes discussion of what is truly public, and what should remain strictly pubic?
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Oh, I'm sure it's OK. I handed it in yesterday. I'm not even sure I used the word public that much. But reading this thread is kind of the word processing equivalent to driving out of town on a vacation and having the "did I lock the door?" thought pop into your head, *just* when it's too late to turn back easily.

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Yes I finally got around to reading this thread today because I thought it said "public" in the TAT as well.

And you know, they would be "public" in a way - very public.

You know, I just can't see this trend catching on. But if it upset the religious right, well, that might be a plus. It would be the next um, 'piece' of evidence that the devil is taking over the world!

Now with those briefs, well, for guys who have worn briefs all their lives, it just wouldn't feel right. You'd keep thinking they were falling out which they can do in briefs sometimes.


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Well, it seems that "pubic pants" aren't the only type of pants causing a stir.

Atlanta considers banning baggy pants

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ATLANTA - Baggy pants that show boxer shorts or thongs would be illegal under a proposed amendment to Atlanta's indecency laws.

The amendment, sponsored by city councilman C.T. Martin, states that sagging pants are an "epidemic" that is becoming a "major concern" around the country.

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The proposed ordinance would also bar women from showing the strap of a thong beneath their pants. They would also be prohibited from wearing jogging bras in public or show a bra strap, said Debbie Seagraves, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia.

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The proposed ordinance states that "the indecent exposure of his or her undergarments" would be unlawful in a public place. It would go in the same portion of the city code that outlaws sex in public and the exposure or fondling of genitals.

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But Seagraves said any legislation that creates a dress code would not survive a court challenge. She said the law could not be enforced in a nondiscriminatory way because it targets something that came out of the black youth culture.

"This is a racial profiling bill that promotes and establishes a framework for an additional type of racial profiling," Seagraves said.

Martin, who is black, said he plans to hold public hearings and vet the proposal through churches, civil rights groups and neighborhood organizations. The proposal will get its first public airing next Tuesday in the City Council's Public Safety Committee.

"The purpose of the paper is to generate some conversation to see if we can find a solution," Martin said. "It will be like all the discussions we've had around the value of the hip-hop culture. We know there are First Amendment issues ... and some will say I'm just trying to put young black men in jail, but it's going to be fines."

Makeda Johnson, an Atlanta mother of a 14-year-old girl, said she is glad Martin introduced the proposal. She does not want to see a law against clothing, but said she thinks teenagers are sending a message with a way of dressing that is based in jailhouse behavior.



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Yes, well, certainly we can't be showing any BOXER SHORTS. What is this world coming to, anyhow, where people's BOXER SHORTS are showing?

Gee, this proposed law wouldn't be targeting any group in particular, would it, do you suppose?


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It is ridiculous that anybody would want to criminalize baggy pants. Those people should just get a frikkin life.
On the subject of seeing people's body hair, I would say that people who have a problem with that are uptight and should get over it.
I have body hair and I don't shave it and I'm very comfortable with body hair on males and females. I used to live with an Italian-Canadian woman and she didn't shave her legs and armpits. Why should she? Why should anybody, except as a matter of personal preference. For me, shaving all over would just take too long, and I feel fine with the way I look.

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I saw a guy traipsing around the other day with his pants below the bottom of his boxers. Would I make that illegal? No. I wouldn’t make that any more illegal than if he wanted to tattoo “Fuck You” across his forehead.
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S'funny. These kids wearing baggy pants to be cool. I, too wear baggy pants to be cool. I get mine from "Value Village", make sure they are 100% cotton, and a few sizes too big.

They are for work. I like the freedom of movement and the air circulation. However, I tend not to let them ride down on me.

Somewhat the opposite.

Today, it being so humid, I had to hitch up the legs of my pants to climb the stairs to the platform where I load the wash line.

If that don't make you feel old, nutin' will.


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Forget exposed boxer shorts. I remember in the 1970s and 80s men and boys wearing Adidas short shorts. We boys had Adidas shoes, Adidas shirts, and Adidas gym bags.

All day I dream about Socretes.

"Who wears short shorts?"


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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
I saw a guy traipsing around the other day with his pants below the bottom of his boxers.

I guess he didn't know that skinny jeans are back in style.


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The amendment, sponsored by city councilman C.T. Martin, states that sagging pants are an "epidemic" that is becoming a "major concern" around the country.

The level of discourse is stupefying. With all that's going on around him in this August of 2007 - with all the real, cheney-bu$h-'Made in The USA' problems confronting this planet - the scourge of visible undies is what C.T. Martin chooses to proclaim "epidemic".

He wants young people to "to think about their future", but only, apparently, as it relates to fashion and foundation garments. Hide your bra straps girls. We don't want anyone accidentally subverted.


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quote:
Originally posted by torontoprofessor:
I guess he didn't know that skinny jeans are back in style.

Oh lordy. Here come the 80's! I've been noticing the big chunky 80's belts worn over long shirts lately on buses and the streetcar.

I finally get used to straight or flared legs on jeans and they feel completely normal, and now they're going out of style. I remember back in the 90's when the flared legs first started coming back and I swore to God, the flag and my mother's soul that I would never wear them. And now that I'm used to them, skinny jeans are back.


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To hell with fashion. Just wear whatever you like.
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Heh. I do wonder, though, how the What Not To Wear hosts will cope. For how many years now? Five? Ten? They've been nagging their victims about not getting skinny jeans, especially if they're a bit chunky around the middle or through the thighs. No, only straight legs or slight flares will do. Because skinny jeans aren't flattering. They're too tight!

But now, that cut is going out of style. What will happen now? Will their heads explode? Will they stick to their assertion that the style looks ugly even if it's the most "in" thing?

Stay tuned!


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But now, that cut is going out of style. What will happen now? Will their heads explode?

The fashion leaders' heads would explode if they were even fractionally logical in their decisions. But, alas, we'll see no exploding heads.


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Well, I like the low rise jeans and I hope they don't go out of style or that they stop making them. I am short waisted and the low rise jeans are the most comfortable for me.
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I wear dead people's pants and very colourful tattoos instead of skivvies. The only people who care about trends or fashion are the sheep who glom onto someone else's style in a desperate effort to try to be someone they're not.

Do what you want to do and be who you are...So do-be do-be dooo.

Very few people can squeeze into the "popular fashions" and look good. I think that the self-styled fashionistas conjure up the wierdest duds they can just to find out how many sheep will be stupid enough to prance aboot in them. Low rise jeans are a good example. Lowrise jeans don't look too swell when everything surrounding them are highrise.


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Very few people can squeeze into the "popular fashions" and look good. I think that the self-styled fashionistas conjure up the wierdest duds they can just to find out how many sheep will be stupid enough to prance aboot in them. Low rise jeans are a good example. Lowrise jeans don't look too swell when everything surrounding them are highrise.

Like I said, low rise jeans work the best for me. Lucky me that they are in fashion. Lucky you that you can wear dead people's clothes. Actually you are very similar to the self-styled fashionistas, they conjure up the weirdest duds and you conjure up the deadest duds and you both expect people to prance around and follow you.


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Aww, I didn't think jester meant any harm with his comment. I take his point - if one thing looks good on you, don't worry about it if it goes out of style, keep wearing it! I see his point.

Anyhow, I don't think "skinny jeans" ever did look good on me (not being skinny and all) so I'll probably stick with what I wear now.

I was horrified when the low riders came in - I always liked the high-waisted stuff. But my taste has changed (funny how fashion marketing for years will do that, huh?) and now when I occasionally see someone in a really high-waisted pair of pants or jeans, I think, jebus, that's wild.

Being a bigger gal, however, I find that too "low rider" is pretty uncomfortable. I always feel like I'm totally spilling out of them.


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Do low rise pants show butt cleavage? Is butt cleavage considered fashionable, elegant, and sophisticated? Does this rule apply to both men and women?
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The fashion industry has to come up with something new or recycle the old crap from the 70s, 80s, and 90s so that people will be forced to buy something new.

For my nom de plume, let's just all go nekkid!


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Is butt cleavage considered fashionable, elegant, and sophisticated?

Ew! NO butt cleavage.

Here's a story, I was at a baby shower and one woman who came was wearing a very low cut blouse and was showing quite a bit of breast cleavage. A little boy there of about 3 was staring at her and staring at her. Finally he asks "how come your bum is so close to your face?"


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Ha! That's great!

So I was looking around at some store web sites to see whether the fashions are really changing "in real life" and what the new ones are, and oh man, check out the "Fashion Studio" at Reitman's.

These two guys are cringeworthy! But I have to admit, I laughed at their awesome cringeworthiness. It must have taken them forever to put this together, since these guys say different things and do different actions for each style!


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They remind me of Hanz and Franz from SNL
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Hanz and Franz do fashion! Except, I think their accents are supposed to be Parisian, not German.

I have to admit, I laughed at their dancing.


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I can understand wanting an ordinance against people showing their underwear, but I was surprised to hear they want to ban bra straps and jogging bras. I'm not sure what goes on there, maybe they added those in to try and seem like they're being even-handed. Getting rid of jogging bras would probably spark a court challenge, considering men can walk around with no shirt (and thank god for that). They have a Bill of Rights too. I've heard tons of people complaining about showing butt cracks and thongs, I've only ever heard one person say wearing sports bras in public (a female friend, 21, university student) is innapropriate.

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We need more people like Skinny Dipper!
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Look, everyone!! I've found the perfect pants for our very own (babble) Fidel!! Scroll down to bottom of page to see the flag pants!!!

I like to see him wear those and just try to fire off a post in support of Fidel or Stalin!!


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Those are fugly pants!
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Hate to break it to you, but skinny jeans have been in style for the past year and a half (in Ottawa) which means peeps in Mtl have been wearing them for longer and probably those in TO as well. Skinny jeans are good for....skinny people. The rest of us will keep on wearing wide legs and flared jeans and just pretend that this new style doesn't exist. The folks on what not to wear may suggest that a slim person wear the jeans - they won't be putting them on everyone who goes on the show though.
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Skinny jeans are good for....skinny people.

I've seen a few skinny people with those skinny jeans and I've almost yelled "for crissakes eat something!" They look too skinny, it's gross.


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quote:
Originally posted by 1234567:

Like I said, low rise jeans work the best for me. Lucky me that they are in fashion. Lucky you that you can wear dead people's clothes. Actually you are very similar to the self-styled fashionistas, they conjure up the weirdest duds and you conjure up the deadest duds and you both expect people to prance around and follow you.


Value Village. Very well made durable clothing some even new. Why they have sales where one pays 5 loonies for everything one can cram in a sack. I don't shop,I wear what Ms.J finds.

I get a kick out of the pretentious types that shop there but deny it stating that they could never wear other folk's clothes.

Sure I'm weird but on the outside I look fairly normal. My point is that the fashion industry promotes insecurity as a marketing tool.

If one wears what they wear because it fits and they like it, fine but many people wear clothes that make them look ridiculous because everyone else does it also.

First you want to marry me and now you accuse me of weird prancing. Interesting


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OH, ALRIGHT THEN! Maybe I was a bit knee jerky, but it was late and I had to stay and listen to bad music because my ride wouldn't leave and no buses and cabs too expensive so I got home late and grumpy.

In reality, I'm kinda dumb about fashion. My kids often use to ask me "are you going out in that?" So now they dress me. I don't mind, I hate shopping for clothes any where, and that includes shopping at "La Village (Value Village)"(said with a french accent) as my kids call it. Now shoes, I will shop for. Marry me.


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Thanks 1234567!

Just for you, I was going to post a photo of the nude park at the English Garden in Munich. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to get the photo posted. Besides, it was late October when I snapped the photo. There wasn't anything to see.


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Here's my predictions for fashion for the summer of 2008:

In 2007 for women, short shorts are in but exposed mid-riffs are out. Skorts are in (a skirt surrounding shorts). Next year, fashion will stay the same except young women and teenaged girls will go for the mini-skirts. These will still be unacceptable for the office, however, skirts ending at the knee will be OK for the office. Women's swimwear for 2008 will feature less boy-leg cuts, more curves, and the bikini will be in fashion. However, the thong won't be in.

For the hombres, plaid will be out for business-casual. For athletic wear, shorts that end just above the knees will be in. Tank tops will evenutally be out. Men's swimwear will be sleaker. Swim shorts will end above the knees. Swim pants that go to the ankles will be out. The Michael Jordan baggy shorts look will be out. The David Beckham/Daniel Craig look will start to be in--sleeker. Square leg racing swimwear will start to be in. The high-cut "Speedos" won't be in unless you got the bod or just came from Bratislava, Slovakia.

We'll see how my predictions will turn out.


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The high-cut "Speedos" won't be in unless you got the bod or just came from Bratislava, Slovakia.

Oh please God, don't let Speedos come back into fashion, please, please, please. I promise to give up chocolate, please, please, please!


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I think speedos should come back in style. If we women have to suffer unbearably skimpy and impossible styles, so should men! So there!
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We're not the ones who would suffer. Trust me.
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I saw this guy on the beach, he had on a speedo thong. He had a hairy bum. It was disgusting.
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"That's him!"
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Good God Jester, where did you find that?


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jester wins. I'm not worthy.
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That's not a motorbike I just heard....
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Borat looks like he grab a plastic supermarket bag, cut two holes in the bottom for his legs and stretched it over his shoulders.

And what the hell is that thing attached to horn in the other photo?

Finally, just to let you know, the "speedo" is obligatoire at most public French pools. I ain't making this crap up. The French say it is for sanitary and health reasons.

Here's Daniel Craig from James Bond and his fashion critic to the right:


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Oh my. My, my, my. I like that bathing suit.

Purely judging the cut and style, of course. Ahem.


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I like the speedo. It's very common in Europe. To me it seems the funny stuff is men swimming in giant shorts.
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Yes, that is a very nice swimsuit.
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Good God Jester, where did you find that?

Gee, and on a dirt bike. Who would have guessed?

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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
I like the speedo. It's very common in Europe. To me it seems the funny stuff is men swimming in giant shorts.

Yeah, I don't really get that either, the huge shorts thing. I see that all the time now when my son goes for swimming lessons - boys in bathing suits that look like shortened cargo pants, some of them which go slightly below the knee, even!

Isn't it weird how people accept huge shorts (and sometimes t-shirts) on guys as normal, but women's swimwear with similar coverage (like those weird "modest" bathing suits you posted, Stargazer) are seen is totally strange? There's this pressure for women to conform to maximum exposure (at least on the legs, if not the belly), but for guys, there is none of that pressure - in fact, the exact opposite. They're pressured NOT to show off as much as women are expected to show off with their bathing suits.

A speedo is positively modest in comparison to the bikini bottoms and thongs a lot of women wear.


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Originally posted by oldgoat:

Good God Jester, where did you find that?


Alternative energy site


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The problem with the speedo thing is that 99% of men don't look like the model above but more like this guy:


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What I like about European beaches is that people can wear different styles of swimwear. This is true for both men and women.

At French public pools and aquatic parks, there is one benefit with the racing suit: you can go down the water slides a lot faster.

Women, if you want to see your man in a tight suit, the tiny "speedo" may not be the best choice at first. Go with the Daniel Craig look. It's sleek, but it is not too revealing. The rule of how long your hem line should be is based on how big the pot-belly is. If the stomach is flat, any "speedo" is acceptable. If the belly gets bigger, the leg cuff should go down far enough so that a man wearing the suit should see the cuff below the belly. A 25 cm length is acceptable. It will expand when you wear it. One other rule is to make sure the leg cuffs are tight. I don't think anyone wants to see the package poking through the leg cuffs.

Here's the big scary part: it's not the package; it has to do with sexual identity. Straight men don't like to be thought of as gay. They can be liberal and accepting of gay men as friends but they don't want to be called "gay" themselves. I think it is in the "man-code."

Any straight man can wear a racing suit. Otherwise, all the men in Europe would have been considered gay. That's not true. If you are straight and ready for the sleek suit, go with black or blue with a simple pattern on the side.

Should an overweight man wear a tight suit? Heck, that man is overweight anyway. It's not going to make a difference if he wears a racing suit or not. Again go with the Daniel Craig look. Basically, any woman who says she does not want to see a fat man in a "speedo" really means that she does not want to see that fat man period. That's her problem, not the man's.

Not to rate men, but if women only want to see 10s in tight suits, they better accept men who are 9s, 8s, 7s, 6s, and so on.

The best thing about the racing-suit (high cut or square legged) is that it is functional. It serves its purpose at the pool or beach. I wouldn't suggest you walk into the Eaton Centre in Toronto with a pair on unless you plan on playing in the fountain display.

Finally, here's a commercial you can watch about "togs." "Togs" is Australian for "speedos." (Rated PG)

I'm ready for the new season of Ugly Betty.


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Here's the big scary part: it's not the package; it has to do with sexual identity. Straight men don't like to be thought of as gay. They can be liberal and accepting of gay men as friends but they don't want to be called "gay" themselves. I think it is in the "man-code."

Oh...that must be why I got the funny looks while wearing a pink Value Village shirt at the rodeo dance.

It doesn't explain all the free drinks from the ladies though. Ms. J says I'm a natural-born chick-magnet but I think its because I merengue to the texas two step and don't clodhop all over the ladies' feet.


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Straight men don't like to be thought of as gay.

Really? It wouldn't bother me. I would think "finally someone has noticed my flair for fashion."

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posted 26 August 2007 05:08 PM      Profile for Skinny Dipper   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am starting to guess that we are getting off topic, but if a friend tells a grade-seven boy that he is ugly, stupid, fat, or an idiot; it may hurt inside, but that boy will do what he can to shrug off the insults. If you tell him that he is gay or a pejorative of that word, that is the insult of all insults. That's like being called worthless. Every insult is combined into a three letter word. Instead of a "man-code", for boys there is a boy-code that has unwritten rules of being strong and masculine. It's great if a man can wear a pink shirt, but very few do unless it is in fashion or if that man is full of confidence. For boys, when they hit grade-seven, conformaty is the rule. Within any school, they will generally have the same hairstyle, dress the same, listen to the same type of music, and play the same sports. There may be an exception for a boy who wears a turban or other religious apparel, but everything else about him is the same as other boys. If one looks across North America, boys and men have similar casual looks. Shorts with hemlines that go below the knees, short socks, loose t-shirts with no collar and not tucked inside of shorts. I don't see males straying far from this look. When boys get into high-school, they join a larger population that may have slightly different tastes. That's when diversity starts to flourish with experimenting in different fashions and tastes of music. It increases throughout high school and university/college until the now young men hit the job market. A new round of conformaty starts again. There are different dress-codes for different workplaces. Gene Simmons may look great on some reality show on television. Just don't go into the office looking like him.

Back to boys and the "gay" word. I would suggest that boys read Stitches by Glen Huser. It is a story about a boy who is different from other boys. This is recommended for grade-seven and up. This book is not a favourite among boys. They have a hard time relating to the main character. Yet, the book is very powerful in dealing with masculine identities. For younger students in grades 4-6, the National Film Board's video My Brand New Life - Ballet Dancer/Hockey Player shows two boys changing places for a few days. It's a good piece that deals with boys and masculinity. It sometimes airs on public television.

Back to pubic pants:

I'd buy a pair of pubic pants but I don't know where my pubic hair ends and my pot-belly hair begins.


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