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Black Dog
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posted 14 March 2003 01:05 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, their music sucks and they advocate murder, but at least they had this to say:

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Dixie Chicks remark irks country fans
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- The Dixie Chicks are drawing harsh words from country music fans for remarks singer Natalie Maines made about President George W. Bush during a recent performance in London.

Maines told the audience earlier this week, "Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas."

Angry phone calls flooded Nashville radio station WKDF-FM on Thursday, some calling for a boycott of the Texas trio's music.

The group released a statement Thursday saying they have been overseas for several weeks and "the anti-American sentiment that has unfolded here is astounding. While we support our troops, there is nothing more frightening than the notion of going to war with Iraq and the prospect of all the innocent lives that will be lost."

In a separate statement Thursday, Maines said, "I feel the president is ignoring the opinion of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world. My comments were made in frustration, and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view."



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posted 14 March 2003 01:09 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AWESOME!
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posted 14 March 2003 01:15 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Natalie the lead singer? I'm already kindly disposed towards her, she's really pretty. This just cinches it.
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posted 14 March 2003 02:34 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BTW.

All the right wing boards are now calling for people to boycott their music.


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Black Dog
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posted 14 March 2003 02:43 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeh! Why, country music ain't about talkin' all that hippie crap! It's about puttin' boots in peoples asses, not smoking marijuana in Muskogkee, and being a proud redneck.

Somebody really needs to drop a M.O.A.B on Music Row, Nashville.


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posted 14 March 2003 02:44 PM      Profile for ben_al     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno, I wouldn't be ashamed that hes a Texan, that he's a moron, that hes an oilman, that hes a religious nut yes, but There must be some good Texans...right?
Personally, I find it funny, but I'm neither a Texan, nor a country fan, I just can't quite understand why a country star would alienate their target audience like that.

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posted 14 March 2003 02:50 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Queen of the Whole Entire World is from Texas

(she kissed me in the parking lot)


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posted 14 March 2003 02:52 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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There must be some good Texans...right?

Steve Earle comes to mind.


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posted 14 March 2003 03:04 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Molly Ivins.
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...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead are from Austin, TX. They put out one of the best albums of 2002, imo.
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posted 14 March 2003 03:23 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Willie Nelson's pretty fucking cool.
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Michael Hardner
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posted 14 March 2003 04:13 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lyndon Johnson, Hank Hill, Coke Stevenson, Anne Richards, Rip Torn, Bobby Labonte, Steve Martin...
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Black Dog
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posted 14 March 2003 04:18 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Townes van Zandt.
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posted 14 March 2003 04:31 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bushler isn't even Texan. That's the funny part. Despite the stupid fake accent, he is Yankee old money WASP through and through.

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President Bush was born on July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Connecticut

From the Whitehouse website. I won't link to it because it is creepy. No mention of his desertion from the military on that site. I recommend whitehouse.org, however.


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Black Dog
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Oh man, those whitehouse.org bumper stickers are comic gold! Gold, I tells ya!
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Personally, I find it funny, but I'm neither a Texan, nor a country fan, I just can't quite understand why a country star would alienate their target audience like that.

No, that's exactly what's so cool about it. Its easy to say stuff like this when it will help your career. When it will likely cost you record sales, that makes all the difference. Good on them! I think I'm becoming a fan of them personally - not so much the music.

PS What's this about them advocating murder???? Is there any basis to this? Their is a big difference between singing about it and advocating it if that's what the deal is.


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Somebody really needs to drop a M.O.A.B on Music Row, Nashville.

[sarcasm]Thats right, because violence is acceptable.[/sarcasm]

The Dixie Chicks have always been one of the very few country artists I actually like. This political contreversy will not make me any more or less likely to support them.

[ 15 March 2003: Message edited by: Gir Draxon ]


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They aren't country. They are 80's pop.

Advocating murder has a long tradition in music:
"'Cause Earl had to die! Na na na na na na na"

and

"First time I shot her,
I shot her in the side
Hard to watch her suffer,
but with the second shot she died

Delia's gone,
one more round,
Delia's gone"

J.C. (pbuh)


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'lance
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posted 15 March 2003 02:11 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Forget it. Ms Maines has backed down.

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The Dixie Chicks' Natalie Maines, who told a London audience earlier this week that she was "ashamed" of President Bush, said Friday she's sorry for her comment.

"As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful," the singer said in a statement. "I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect."


Whatever happened to American republicanism? To the idea that the President was a citizen, as open to criticism as anyone else?

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Maines' contrite statement is in contrast to her comments on Thursday, when she said: "I feel the president is ignoring the opinion of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world. My comments were made in frustration, and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view."

Her band makes dull music. But I could have respected someone who'd said that and left it at that.


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posted 15 March 2003 03:37 PM      Profile for Barry Stagg   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stop the presses: Dixie Chicks replace Streisand and Grace Slick as liberal songbirds. Volunteers all, in a battle for spaces on Entertainment Tonight. Careful about that boycott of American products now.
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'lance
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Looks like the apology was too little, too late for some in Louisiana.

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March 17, 2003 | BOSSIER CITY, La. (AP)

The Dixie Chicks may have a little more trouble getting a friendly audience in this part of Dixie.

Using a 33,000-pound tractor to obliterate compact disks and other items, a few hundred protesters, referring to themselves as backers of President Bush and Barksdale Air Force Base, lashed back at lead singer Natalie Maines.



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Are all these people who destroyed their CDs going to go and buy new ones now that Maines has retracted her comments? That should push their sales up.
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posted 17 March 2003 04:15 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nne of this makes them the new Beatles.
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Jingles
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We should offer her asylum in Canada, on the condition that she stop making crappy music.

A sad state of affairs when speaking your mind is met with a 33,000 pound tractor. You criticize the Emperor at your peril. Divine Right of Kings.

And this is just the beginning. Think what'll happen at the Oscars. Will the anti-war celebs be threatened into shutting up and give a good Sieg Heil, or will they risk speaking out?


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Yes, offer asylum quickly.

I thought the song about Earl was a catchy, fun tune. Thier current offering of an old Stevie Nicks tune is a bit of a dirge.

But hey, they gots a banjo, banjoes is a durned happy instrument to listen to once and a while.

Those uncomfortable with a women offing an abusive man have of course been writting Johnny Cash and George Thorogood about "Cocaine Blues" lo these many years.....


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If I'm not mistaken, Cocaine Blues was originally a Hank Williams Sr tune, which fits in nicely with many of his drug/whiskey/violence songs.
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That wouldn't surprise me in the least, and there's certainly no shortage, as I think has been discussed before, of pop/country/blues songs that are mysogynistic to the core. Yet one song gets written the other way......


I was watching "Ed the Sock" rip last year's crop of stupid videos, and he remarked during one how odd it is that musicians seem to get away with confusing stalking and abusive behavior as "romance".

But dang, I really wanted to talk about banjoes. Steve Martin used to do a routine illustrating that you couldn't sing a serious song with a banjo, that they all ended up sounding happy-- then illustrated with some manic banjo strumming to the words "Death and destruction, murder and mayhem...."


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posted 18 March 2003 12:07 PM      Profile for seeshell     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like the Dixie Chicks and I like the fact that they said what they said. Simmer down about the banjo. Its too bad their "fans" are so fickle and narrow minded, and its too bad that they were likely forced to apolgize.
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posted 18 March 2003 12:15 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh well. For a little while they were a shitty, bland country-pop band with a little courage. Now they're just a shitty, bland country-pop band.
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Right on target, b_d. I've taken the liberty of immortalizing it temporarily in The Quote Hall of Fame.
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But dang, I really wanted to talk about banjoes. Steve Martin used to do a routine illustrating that you couldn't sing a serious song with a banjo, that they all ended up sounding happy-- then illustrated with some manic banjo strumming to the words "Death and destruction, murder and mayhem...."

Ah, if there's two things I know and love, it's Steve Martin and the banjo (5-string, please - none of this tenor crap for me). The comedy bit goes on to talk about how Nixon could have gotten off the hook if he had played the banjo. Brilliant. And applicable today.

Maybe Furious George wouldn't be so hard on Saddam if he took up the banjo. "I have no weapons...of mass destruction...strumm strumm".

Oo oo - or maybe we could resolve this whole thing with a head-to-head duelling banjoes between GWB and SH! God, that's brilliant! Yes! Yes! I've just figured out how to eradicate war forever.

Nobel Peace prize, here I come!


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"I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect."

say what, dixie chick? respect is earned, not automatic.

i didn't know steve martin was from texas, what an educative thread.


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Not only is he from Texas, he's from Waco, Texas.
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posted 18 March 2003 04:28 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Nobel Peace prize, here I come!

Right on. "Banjos for Peace" is a great idea, but do you really wanna be associated with the same group that gave a Peace prize to Kissinger?


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Good point. I'll take global donations of the best wines and pies in that case. And a new solid-gold banjo. Anything to recognise my genius, really.
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I wanted to add Stevie Ray Vaughn to the list of great Texans (and one sadly missed by me).
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Texas also gave us Guy Clark and Jimmie Dale Gilmore against whose work the best of country/folk can be compared and, more often than not, found wanting.
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Michelle Shocked is my favourite Texas musician.
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I love Michelle Shocked.
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posted 19 March 2003 12:29 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Texas also gave us Guy Clark and Jimmie Dale Gilmore against whose work the best of country/folk can be compared and, more often than not, found wanting.

The Flatlanders!


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Dixie Chicks No. 1 on the Billboard Country Albums
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The Dixie Chicks have responded to their critics...by posing nude.

http://tinyurl.com/a8qb


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The Flatlanders!

Case in point, BD, Jimmie Dale Gilmore is one of them !


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Well I guess that makes some sort of point.... I just hope Ashcroft, Bush and Rummy don't decide to counter the criticism in the same way....

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


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