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JayPotts
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posted 13 August 2007 06:42 AM      Profile for JayPotts   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tipping

The title of this article states that 20% in the new 15%. Also that for certain services like waiting tables tipping is mandatory because they rely on tips to meet a basic standard of living. Moreover the author suggests that if you can't afford to tip then don't do activities that put you in a situation where tipping is an issue.

Now I am not a cheap person and I 99.9% of the time tip at restaurants (back in my youth I was a bus boy), but I always thought it was my choice to tip or not to tip.

What do you guys think?


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500_Apples
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posted 13 August 2007 06:49 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I give 20% when I think it's a great waiter or waitress. A good one gets 15% from me. And a bad one gets 10% or less. All figures based on pre-tax prices. Places like Tim Hortons or Laura Secord which have a tip jar I'll give around 5%. A great waiter is one who who knows the menu well, serves the right meal to the right person, et cetera. A terrible waiter is one who brings my food cold, or who never checks my glass of water.

It's a social norm to tip, an expectation. Similarly, send a thank-you letter when you receive a present, or help a woman having difficulty taking her baby carriage up an escalator.


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posted 13 August 2007 07:39 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These servers live off their tips so pony up 20% and don't be cheap. If you have bad service, you'd better accompany your lack of tip or short tip with a talk to the shift manager.
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500_Apples
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posted 13 August 2007 07:45 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
These servers live off their tips so pony up 20% and don't be cheap. If you have bad service, you'd better accompany your lack of tip or short tip with a talk to the shift manager.

By that logic give 50%, and don't be cheap.

Also, a small tip is a discreet way of saying, that sucked, try harder. I've worked as a waiter, I know. Talking to the manager is overkill.


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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 13 August 2007 08:13 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A short tip doesn't always give that message. Europeans are as a rule not used to tipping when they come over. Older people are used to tipping at the old standards (5-7%).
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Caissa
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posted 13 August 2007 08:20 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about employers pay decent wages so employees don't need to rely on tips for a decent standard of living.
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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 13 August 2007 08:23 AM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder who tips best. Liberals, Conservatives, so-called greens or Members of The Party?
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 13 August 2007 08:33 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tip 20% of the total bill for excellent service - but I don't see it very often - a couple of times a year, maybe?

Depending upon the level of mediocrity, I tip 10 to 15% most of the time. For truly awful or rude service, nothing - perhaps once a year?

I'd only ever speak to a manager if I wasn't able to write it off to a bad night on the servers behalf - only if I really thought they were so bad for the establishment that they should lose their job. I can only recall doing this once, and it involved a waitress who had short-changed us repeatedly at a local watering hole.


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clersal
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posted 13 August 2007 09:08 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tip 15% + most of the time or 15% if the service is iffy....rarely happens.
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Sharon
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posted 13 August 2007 10:08 AM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are occasionally real tipping dilemmas. A couple of years ago, we were in a restaurant that I really like -- good food, good ambiance.

Our server that day was young, inexperienced and clearly, had had very little -- if any -- training.

Our son, then nine or ten years old, and a pretty sophisticated restaurant-goer, was reading the menu and discussing food choices -- as we were -- but the server consistently talked about him in the third person and always looked at me... "What will he have to drink?"

Each time, I would refer her question to him. "Would you tell our server what you're going to have, honey?"

But she did it a couple more times until I said to her -- nicely and politely -- "Could you ask him that question please?" It seemed like a foreign concept to her.

She also came bearing our main courses before we had finished our appetizers -- and tried to clear them while we still had shrimp and mussels on our plates! We told her we weren't ready so she cleared a spot on the table and plunked our main courses down and left them there while we finished the appetizers.

When we were ready, we stacked our appetizer plates and served ourselves our cooling dinners.

Now this was clearly atrocious service and yet I found I couldn't really hold her responsible. Whoever hired her should have taught her how to do her job.

I didn't feel like withholding a tip and I think this would have been a perfect time to have a non-judgemental chat with the manager. We didn't however, and I've always kind of regretted that.


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500_Apples
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posted 13 August 2007 10:22 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sharon:
There are occasionally real tipping dilemmas. A couple of years ago, we were in a restaurant that I really like -- good food, good ambiance.

Our server that day was young, inexperienced and clearly, had had very little -- if any -- training.

Our son, then nine or ten years old, and a pretty sophisticated restaurant-goer, was reading the menu and discussing food choices -- as we were -- but the server consistently talked about him in the third person and always looked at me... "What will he have to drink?"

Each time, I would refer her question to him. "Would you tell our server what you're going to have, honey?"

But she did it a couple more times until I said to her -- nicely and politely -- "Could you ask him that question please?" It seemed like a foreign concept to her.

She also came bearing our main courses before we had finished our appetizers -- and tried to clear them while we still had shrimp and mussels on our plates! We told her we weren't ready so she cleared a spot on the table and plunked our main courses down and left them there while we finished the appetizers.

When we were ready, we stacked our appetizer plates and served ourselves our cooling dinners.

Now this was clearly atrocious service and yet I found I couldn't really hold her responsible. Whoever hired her should have taught her how to do her job.

I didn't feel like withholding a tip and I think this would have been a perfect time to have a non-judgemental chat with the manager. We didn't however, and I've always kind of regretted that.


I can see why they wound bring the food when the chef was done preparing it rather than when the people are finished eating. A lot of customers might prefer their food right temperature than after the appetizers. That's more a problem with the chef for not timing it right, unless you're slow eaters. Typically, the time in between should be around five to ten minutes.


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posted 13 August 2007 10:35 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tip 20 percent - almost always. Even when the service isn't that good. Yesterday I tipped the woman at Subway 2 dollars for making me a mini sub. I tip cabbies, coffee shop counter people - hell almost everyone that has a job in the food service industry. People forget that many times the workers are actually working for less than minimum wage because they are working under the table so take home pay would be awful if it weren't for the tips.

I've been both a bartender and a waitress for about 5 years and thankfully my customers were mostly great tippers. Without that money I never would have been able to pay for school books or daycare.

Re: Conservatives/Liberals/etc. as tippers. I don't think this has a political affiliation bias. I think most people tip because they appreciate the service.

Oh and some of the best tippers I have ever had have been bikers.


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Sven
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posted 13 August 2007 10:40 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I get horrible service, I reduce the tip (from small to ziltch). In those instances, I can't be bothered to tell the manager. If I get shitty service I feel under no obligation to help the establishment see their problem.

But, three or four times per year I will ask to see the manager...to tell the manager about the outstanding service I have received (will do that with exceptional telephone customer service reps, too). That is feedback I'm happy to give.

Tipping is a great way to reward excellent (or even good) service and reduced (or withheld) tipping is a great was to tell a server that his or her service effort sucked.


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JayPotts
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posted 13 August 2007 10:40 AM      Profile for JayPotts   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
How about employers pay decent wages so employees don't need to rely on tips for a decent standard of living.

Amen to this. In the article is states that this is what they do in Europe.


Also what about the other service ppl. People that cut your hair, hotel maids, bellhops, taxi drivers (don't like tipping them and I don't know why), house maids etc what's your opinion on tipping them?


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Sven
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posted 13 August 2007 10:47 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JayPotts:
Also what about the other service ppl. People that cut your hair, hotel maids, bellhops, taxi drivers (don't like tipping them and I don't know why), house maids etc what's your opinion on tipping them?

Depends. I generally tip cabbies, bellhops, my hair stylist (about 50% for her), and pizza delivery people. For other service folks, it depends. If a couple of guys have to move something incredibly heavy into our house and it takes a lot of effort to figure out how to get it in and if they do it without damaging the piece (or the walls), I'm likely going to give them a tip.


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Stargazer
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posted 13 August 2007 10:50 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hair stylists - yes. Movers - yes. Maids and so on - yes. Cabbies - for sure unless they are on a cell phone, then not a chance. Sometimes I tip people are they look surprised to receive a tip. Like the Subway lady yesterday. She said she rarely receives tips. My mom is a crappy tipper and a huge complainer. I often have to sneak back in and give extra money for the service provider's pain and suffering.
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Polly Brandybuck
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posted 13 August 2007 06:36 PM      Profile for Polly Brandybuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had to look up "bellhop"...apparently I don't stay at the nicer establishments.

I tend to tip in whole dollar amounts rather than percentages. Too hard to figure out. So if the bill is an uneven amount I round up to where I think it's fair and just leave that. I hope it's enough, it usually seems that way.


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Bacchus
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posted 13 August 2007 06:41 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It used to be easier when the GST was 7% in Ontario. You just add the GST and PST together and thats 15% at least.

I tip my barber 25% every time because I round up.


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Fidel
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posted 13 August 2007 08:17 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
How about employers pay decent wages so employees don't need to rely on tips for a decent standard of living.

Ah, another troublemaker. Where in the WORLD would they be paying higher federally and territorially mandated minimum wages, or lower end living wages in general than in Canada ?.


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posted 14 August 2007 09:47 PM      Profile for glacier76     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Re: Conservatives/Liberals/etc. as tippers. I don't think this has a political affiliation bias. I think most people tip because they appreciate the service.

I've heard people who come from church are the worst restaurant customers.

quote:
People that cut your hair, hotel maids, bellhops, taxi drivers (don't like tipping them and I don't know why), house maids etc what's your opinion on tipping them?

I tip all the above. Especially taxi drivers! They probably put up with a lot!


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