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Arch Stanton
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posted 19 April 2002 04:57 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This channel bugs me.

Most of their movies are of things that never happened ("Kelly's Heroes" fer cryinoutloud) and they repeat bad TV programmes that are set somehow in the past, such as that Vietnam War show and the Al Capone show.

And either kick Ann Medina off the movie programme or get her to have surgery on her
adnoids!


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posted 19 April 2002 06:22 AM      Profile for Chris Guenard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems to me, if we took History Television's portrayel of history as real, the only things that happened in the entire history of history, would be World War II and Vietnam.

What about pirates? and cave people? they were part of history too.


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posted 28 April 2002 08:18 PM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ok, so that channel shows a lot of stuff about Vietnam and WWII, but lighten up! Maybe some of their shows just aren't your forte, so then don't watch them- but a lot of their information is fairly valid. Vietnam and WWII both have veterans, and are wars that were caught on film, so producers had a lot of stuff to work on. If you're sick of modern wars, then watch their ancient history stuff on Tuesdays- or click up a channel and watch Space.
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posted 29 April 2002 10:40 AM      Profile for rob.leblanc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought it was pretty cool when they showed all the episodes of "I Claudius" and I enjoy some of the movies that they show. Other than that, if I don't want to watch any war shows, I just flip the channel over and look for something I would be inerested in.
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posted 02 May 2002 02:29 AM      Profile for Chris Guenard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And "Sharpe" starring bad-ass, Sean Bean.

Sharpe is one of my favourite shows, and I didn't mean to harp on history television. I was just trying to be funny.


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posted 02 May 2002 04:06 AM      Profile for markhoffchaney     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
History Bites, is there a worse Canadian show? Well yeah Red Green, but there is none so charming.
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posted 03 May 2002 05:47 PM      Profile for from the mouths of babes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know several kids that wouldn't have ever given a damn about History at ALL who got interested in the past from seeing an episode of that show.

Maybe YOU think that it's bad humour, but if it gets todays kids interested in something other then Maury or Montel, and seeing what kind of scope there was in the past, then I should think it would be encouraged...


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posted 03 May 2002 05:50 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I LOVE HISTORY BITES!!!!

There will be a kill-bot knocking on your door at any moment...


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posted 03 May 2002 06:14 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Word is that one of the top guys in charge of programmin is a real WWII nut... I've been told it's much easier to pitch him war history stuff than anything else.

Hope that's not entirely true, I've got a nice little historical doc developed that I'd like them to pick up....

On the up side, they've played our Tommy Douglas documentary.


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posted 03 May 2002 06:19 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Word is that one of the top guys in charge of programmin is a real WWII nut...

My uncle's nickname for this channel was the "Adolf-and-Eva channel."

I hope, Zoot, that if your documentary is repeated you'll tell is when it's to be on?


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posted 03 May 2002 06:43 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, the Documentary Channel just picked it up -- it should be broadcast again this fall.

Thanks for asking!


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posted 03 May 2002 09:59 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
History Bites is great! It's just about the only thing on the History channel that's actually worth watching.
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posted 03 May 2002 10:49 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
is there a worse Canadian show? Well yeah Red Green,

GRRR! Ya wanna step outside?

Edited to add: Hey, my 500th post, I'm halfway there. Whoo Hoo!

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: oldgoat ]


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posted 03 May 2002 11:27 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It's just about the only thing on the History channel that's actually worth watching.

I've been finding Sharpe a good guilty pleasure. Shameless heroic -- or should that be Heroic -- melodrama.


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posted 06 May 2002 02:39 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't admit to having watched Sharpe for more than 45-second installments. The show seems to me like Hercules or Xena the Warrior Dame, except with different costumes.
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posted 06 May 2002 12:48 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So it would seem from brief viewings, and there's considerable tear-jerking and what not. Plots are generally predictable. But if you watch awhile, there's more going on.

A case in point: prior to the British attacking a Spanish town held by the French, we're treated to several shots of officers and sergeants declaiming warnings that any man who engages in looting, rape etc. will be summarily hanged.

The British eventually break into the town, and the men promptly go on a spree -- looting, raping etc. Their officers have no control over them, and we see no justice being meted out. Later, when it's clear they have the victory, Wellington says almost casually to his second-in-command, "Hang three men, and any man still in the town at midnight." Military justice is just for show, but no-one comments on this. It's just taken for granted.

Or again: in a later episode, one of Sharpe's men is hanged for stealing a chicken in an abandoned town, while hundreds of brutal, venal deserters, who'd avoided fighting the French in favour of lining their pockets with loot, get off scot-free because Wellington needs them to invade France. Expediency is the watchword.


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posted 06 May 2002 04:55 PM      Profile for Tribute To Our Times   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you start watching sharpe. Really watching it. You'll find yourself incredibly immersed in the characters. I hate obediah. I hate him so much. It's the first show in a long time (I only started watching it this year) that stirs up that kind of emotion in me. Sharpe is the man.
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posted 06 May 2002 04:57 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a few buddies who're REALLY into that show. They're both awed by the Machiavellian intrigue. One works for a union, and the other's a stockbroker. Coincidence?
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You're (collectively) right that History channel tends to show programs about wars. Personally I tune in mainly for Tour of Duty (a guilty pleasure), but also for the Tuesday night programming when they show docs on archaeological topics, and repeats of the ______Quest programs from Frantic Films (vastly superior to their PBS wannabees--Canadians stick it out through the winter!).

That being said, these specialty channels change over time. When The Learning Channel (TLC) first came out it was great, then they became the "natural disaster and alien invasion" channel for a bit, then they were the "paramedics and conspiracy theory" channel, now they've got Junkyard Wars. It changes over time. Heck, if you write in and bitch, they might change their emphasis. Maybe I'll go do that right now.


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quote:
I can't admit to having watched Sharpe for more than 45-second installments. The show seems to me like Hercules or Xena the Warrior Dame, except with different costumes.

Update: after watching the latest two episodes, I've officially given up on Sharpe. On close examination, it's so formulaic and melodramatic that not only can you suss out the entire plot within the first ten minutes -- which is not necessarily a problem -- there aren't even, any longer, any interesting details in how it's worked out.

And they take refuge in every dramatic cliche known to film and TV since the earliest days. The only reason the ever-changing but ever-present damsel-in-distress hasn't yet been tied to a railroad track is that 1813's a trifle early for railroads. But the villain the other night, among other attributes, actually had the kind of mustaches he could have twirled, if he were so inclined.

Hercules and Xena were actually far superior, because they were done with some humour and wit -- playing with the cliches, but with a wink. Besides, they didn't hit us over the heads with tedious lessons about the superiority of the plain-talk, brass-tacks, working-class British soldier to just about any other sort of human being going.

[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Consider this:

Sean Bean is the only man who is able to pull off a mullet, and still be tough as a coffin nail. Enjoy it, not because of the mellowdrama, but because Sean Bean is the man, and Sharpe is too.


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posted 13 May 2002 11:31 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If the drama in Sharpe is mellow, what are the characteristics of drama that is melo?

Aren't there dozens of programs out there that they could show instead of that Al Capone show twice-nightly and the Paint it Black Vietnam show all the time?


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Sorry about my misuse of words. I'd like to see more shows about pirates.
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Wohoo! I love pirates!! Me too! Me too!

I think I need to invest in t.v. tho...


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No, no, not pirates! You want documentaries about labour struggles in the 1930s and the Riel Rebellion/Resistance!!! You do!! Write to History Television and tell them so! Help me out, here!!!!
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posted 14 May 2002 11:34 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Sean Bean is the only man who is able to pull off a mullet, and still be tough as a coffin nail.

Tough he may be -- or his character -- but I really don't think that qualifies as a mullet.


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No, no, not pirates! You want documentaries about labour struggles in the 1930s and the Riel Rebellion/Resistance!!! You do!! Write to History Television and tell them so! Help me out, here!!!!

Ok, Ok, (but pirates would be nice too)

Can I have it all?


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OK Zoot.

Regina Riots. On to Ottawa. "Murdered by the RCMP."

I'm there.

Need a hand writing the scripts???


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I don't get that channel.
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quote:
"Murdered by the RCMP."

Just got word on Monday morning that I have been awarded grant funding for a doc on that very story... Halfway to full financing! History Television giving me a broadcast license would take me another good chunk of the way. I'm pretty pumped, we've already interviewed the last surviving striker. He's 95.

quote:
Need a hand writing the scripts???

I do most of my own writing, but one never knows... Do you write scripts?

I'd love to do a 1930s series encompassing such events as On to Ottawa and the Regina Riot. Did some reading on the Regina Riot when researching the Estevan Riot, and then took a walk in downtown Regina. I've lived here most of my life, and walking down the streets and thinking "My god, they shot somebody RIGHT HERE" was such a bizarre experience. We grew up thinking it was such a quiet little place.

Edited to add: Did you know there's a book coming out on the Estevan Massacre this summer? I'm quite anxious to read it.

[ May 16, 2002: Message edited by: Zoot Capri ]


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