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Walker
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posted 28 June 2006 07:55 PM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So, we are down to Argentina, Brazil, England, Ukraine, Italy, Germany, France and Portugal.

Who's your pick?


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posted 28 June 2006 08:00 PM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
My heart says Portugal, my head says Germany.
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My heart says Ukraine, my head says Germany.

We'll find out on Friday


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posted 28 June 2006 08:09 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Papal Bull:
My heart says Ukraine, my head says Germany.

We'll find out on Friday


Your heart and head could both be right, since Ukraine and Germany are playing in different matches.

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posted 28 June 2006 08:35 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Walker:
So, we are down to Argentina, Brazil, England, Ukraine, Italy, Germany, France and Portugal.

Who's your pick?


Even Sepp Blatter himself is willing to make a prediction of sorts:

quote:
past experience would suggest that the host nation enjoys a certain advantage. In fact, Klose, Frings and the rest of the Germany team seem to be literally carried along on a wave of enthusiasm. This side is typical Germany: motivated and highly competitive. In short, they're on a roll, but they will have to confirm all that on 30 June against an Argentinian team full of class. That's a game the whole world will be watching. It's a World Cup classic, possibly worthy of being the final itself. I'm not far from thinking that whichever country comes out on top in the Olympiastadion on 30 June will have a psychological advantage over their rivals.

A good interview, by the way:
quote:
During my 30 years at FIFA, I've helped the World Cup grow from 16 to 32 teams and, through FIFA, helped finance federations around the whole world. So when I see Ecuadorians or Ukrainians hugging and waving flags, I tell myself our goal has been achieved! And when that's all happening in front of the mythical Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, it's even more beautiful.
For the people of my generation, who remember the war, Europe in ruins, and Germany and Berlin divided by the 'Wall of Shame', watching the world rejoice here is such an incredible symbol. We see enough sadness and violence in the newspapers and on television not to feel joy when people are happy.

Oh yes, my pick.

With four quarter finals, one should go to the underdog. I'll pick:
GER:ARG
ITA:UKR
ENG: POR
BRA:FRA

Then I'll pick:
GER:UKR
ENG:BRA

And finally:
GER:BRA

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For the final, I would like to see England V Italy, for lots of reasons but not least because they are the 2 sides I know best, so it would be of most interest to me. Whereas with say Portugal V Ukraine, I would spend half the game getting to know the players then the other hafl deciding who go to for.

And alas, I must say that my instinct is to go with England to win. Knowing England as a 2 year resident instead of from a distance, I know it would give a great boost to the ordinary people.

Of course, one perhaps should apply that last sentiment to the slums of Brazil, Argentina and Ukraine, but there's no evidence that Brazil's wins in the past have done anything to lift the living standards there.

Anyhoo....


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a German fan posted the following incredible equation , which the NYTimes (very good) WC blog repeats today:

54 x 74 - 1990 = 2006

do the calculation yourself !

fun discussion:
http://worldcup.blogs.nytimes.com/?p=290#comments

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oh yeah, my choices,
no, my predictions (not always the same):

ARG over GER

ENG over POR

shocker:
FRA over BRA

ITA over UKR


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posted 29 June 2006 07:57 AM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Some people just don't get it!
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posted 29 June 2006 08:32 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What's all this "my head says Germany" stuff?

My heart AND head say Germany! Go Germany!

(I think I'm the only house on my street with a German flag in the window. The rest of the street is a sea of Portugal and Brazil. )


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
What's all this "my head says Germany" stuff?

My heart AND head say Germany! Go Germany!

(I think I'm the only house on my street with a German flag in the window. The rest of the street is a sea of Portugal and Brazil. )


My only concern with Germany is that they didn't have a stellar run up to the WC and have not really faced a team of any great consequence yet. The Argentina game will be the true litmus test of how well they are playing.


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quote:
Originally posted by Walker:
[QB]
And alas, I must say that my instinct is to go with England to win. Knowing England as a 2 year resident instead of from a distance, I know it would give a great boost to the ordinary people.
QB]

See when you say things like this I find myself getting past your Australian heritage.


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My heart says England. Go ya buggas! Score some bloody goals, or don't botha goin 'ome!
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quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
My heart says England. Go ya buggas! Score some bloody goals, or don't botha goin 'ome!

That was beautiful. Sends shivers down my spine and made me feel all home sick.

I feel like breaking into a chorus of Ing-ger-land, Ing-ger-land, Ing-ger-land....Ing-ger-land, Ing-ger-land, Ing-ger-la-hund.....

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Arggg. I'm not really rooting for any one team, though I admit to a fondness for the defensive play of the Italians, the dazzle of the Brazilians, and so on. A victory by one of the teams never to have won the title (Portugal or Ukraine) would be exciting, I suppose. But the World Cup is a festival of soccer.

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What does any of this have to do with soccer? Not a heck of a lot, I suppose, but it was one small example among thousands of why I encourage everyone (even non-soccerites) to attend at least one World Cup in their lives, just for the experience of it all.

The oft-mocked slogan of this World Cup is "A Time to Make Friends," but it carries an essential truth. What I'll remember just as much as any of the games are my dinner with the Spaniards in St. Pauli, the lunch I shared with a throng of U.S. soccer fans in Gelsenkirchen, the eight kilt-clad Scotsmen who each bought me a drink one night eight years ago at a tavern in France. (At least I think I remember that night.)


Grant Wahl on the World Cup

They're all winners in my book, even if only seven of them (in alphabetical order: Argentina, Brazil, England, France, (one or another) Germany, Italy and Uruguay) have won the title. I figure out who I'm cheering for during the course of the games. Sometimes, I surprise myself.


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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
Your heart and head could both be right, since Ukraine and Germany are playing in different matches.

Well...generally for the World Cup to be won by two nations that will face each other in the semi-finals if they both advance you kind of have to make a choice on that front.

You know, what with Germany and Ukraine playing each other in the finals being impossible

Question:

Someone put Italy beating Ukraine as a shocker. Why would you say that? I would say that it is quite the other way around. I really want to see Ukraine go on to the semi-finals...I mean, come on...That'd be amazing for our first time appearance in the cup.

[ 29 June 2006: Message edited by: Papal Bull ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Papal Bull:

Question:

Someone put Italy beating Ukraine as a shocker. Why would you say that? I would say that it is quite the other way around. I really want to see Ukraine go on to the semi-finals...I mean, come on...That'd be amazing for our first time appearance in the cup.

[ 29 June 2006: Message edited by: Papal Bull ]


I think the poster was indicating France over Brazil would be the shocker and not Italy over Ukraine.


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I just have to express my ABSOLUTE horror at the fact that France beat Spain, especially when Spain had the ball most of the time.My dad said that the French did nothing really, and that they only won because Spain wasn't playing as they should. Allot of faking injuries as well by the French..
Happily though France is going to play Brazil, which means they're going to get they're a**es kicked.
My head wants England to wind, but my gut tells me that Brazil probably will.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jooge:

See when you say things like this I find myself getting past your Australian heritage.


What do you mean by that, Jooge?

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Pride, we have much to discuss:
I would have loved to see Spain win, but living in France and having experienced the 1998 triumph, I am not sad they are still in

Can they upset Brazil?
you scoff, but France is the international side Brazil most fears, and with reason

re England:
I hate jinxes, so with Spain gone, I say go England and/or Argentina! , as it would mean the most to these 2 sides to win the thing


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While we're imagining ourselves in the Olympic Stadium waiting for the big game to start, a little irrelevant political context:

The neighbourhood MP is Petra Merkel, Social Democrat MP since 2002.

Nextdoor is Mechthild Rawert. She was newly elected last year as a Social Democrat MP. Also running in that seat (but elected from the Berlin list): Renate Künast. She has been a Green Party MP since 2002.

Next to them is Hans-Christian Ströbele, Germany's sole directly-elected Green MP, member of the Bundestag from 1985 to 1987 and since 1998.

Next to him is Dr. Gesine Lötzsch. She's a Left Party MP, member of the Bundestag since 2002.

Next to her is Petra Pau, Left Party MP, member of the Bundestag since 1998.

And running just west of the stadium (but elected from the Berlin list): Kai Wegner, age 33, newly elected for the CDU, Berlin's youngest MP.

Great neighbourhood.

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1-1 Germany-Argentina,
now at 91st minute, of their extra 30-minute final time

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posted 30 June 2006 11:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Woo hoo!!!
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The Germans are through after the Argentinians tried to sit on their 1-0 lead. Italy is thrashing the Ukranians, up 3-0 and looking for more. It should be a good match between the Germans and the Italians next Tuesday.

Corydon Street, which is a virtual Italian neighbourhood in Winnipeg, will be pandemonium.


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And did those feet in ancient time,
walk upon Gelsenkirchen green:
And was the holy boot of Reynaldo,
On Germanys pleasant pastures seen!

Portugal is through. England has never won a penalty shootout in World Cup history. Their record is unblemished by a win. Poor buggahs!


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So, which countries that are in the World Cup semi-final had extreme right wing governments during the 20th century? All 4

Needless to say.

Italy v. Germany?
Germany

Portugal v. Brazil?
Brazil

Who is going win the Cup itself? Who knows? No one! I'm just hoping that 2002 is turned around for the other side


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So, I'm going to guess by the partying in the street outside my house that Portugal won against England today? Actually, I know for sure that's what happened because I just checked the standings now. But I knew anyhow, because the honking and partying started a couple of hours ago.
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France v. Portugal?

Wouldn't have seen that coming!


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Oh dear, no joy for England. Of course, I will send my condolences to family and friends in England. And now the Francophone blood in moi has me cheering for France. The Marseillaise anthem plays on while England mourns another loss at the world cup.

We'll be singing
When we're winning
We'll be singing
I get knocked down
But I gerrup again
You're never going to keep Ingerland down

Vive la France!

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With 11 men on the field to England's 10, Portugal couldn't score for 58 minutes. Prediction: they lose to France in the semi-final.

And if Germany can defeat Argentina, they should beat Italy, although they'll know they've been in a fight.

Final: Germany and France. Europe's two largest countries and two strongest teams. Nothing wrong with that. Should be a classic. Remarkably, they've never met in a final before. Indeed, the last time they played each other at all in a World Cup match was in 1986 (Germany won 2:0)

In fact, although Germany (or West Germany) have been in 7 previous finals starting in 1954, France has been in only one, in 1998. But they won it 3:0, with Zinedine Zidane scoring two of France's three goals. Eight years later, Zidane's still there. So is goalkeeper Fabien Barthez, defender Lilian Thuram, and midfielder Patrick Vieira. And a 20-year-old substitute who, despite ending the tournament as his side’s top scorer with three goals to his name, sat on the sidelines of the entire 1998 final, Thierry Henry, is most certainly present today, one of the finest strikers on the planet. Also, young David Trezeguet similarly sat out the 1998 final and is still here.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jooge:

See when you say things like this I find myself getting past your Australian heritage.


Yeah, what do you mean? Sorry, I hate asking people to explain their witty remarks- happens to me all the time.

Well, now Brazil is out, and England is out (how friggin predictable- England, when are you going to get some proverbial balls??), who's left to go for?

Reluctantly, it will have to be


PORTUGAL. The new underdogs (relatively speaking of course)

BTW, I am soooo pissed off by the pathetic mainstream media in Australia. There is nary a mention of the World Cup now that the Socceroos are out. What a bunch of bandwagon hoppers.
I am wondering whether the commercials will bid for the rights for the next Cup, now that we have come of age. Of course, it would be sweet justice if one of them paid squillions for it, and the Socceroos didn't even end up qualifying.

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Pffft! Who needs mainstream media when SBS is covering the sport in its usual excellent style?

You're right, though; it wasn't interest in the sport so much as that nationalistic mania that grips the country when a chance of winning international sport in is the air.

ETA: The SBS site ran a poll last week on video refereeing. The choices were:

- ABSOLUTELY

- YEAH, BUT IN A LIMITED CAPACITY

- STILL NOT CONVINCED

- OVER MY DEAD BODY

- EDDIE MCGUIRE

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Brazil played like crap except for a few minutes. They deserved to lose. At first I thought their strategy was to "wear the old guys down" and then go on the attack later. Alas, their strategy was to muddle and puddle around the field like a bunch of clueless twits.

I didn't watch England-Portugal as I fully expected England to lose. They have been a bunch of prima donnas and I simply do not udnerstand why England were so ready to believe this "team" had a chance.

Anything can happen in the next round, but if the results conform to recent quality of play, I would expect Germany and France to go through. Next most likely combination is Germany and Portugal. Personally, I am hoping Portugal and Italy get knocked out so we can have some peace and quiet and normal streetcar service again!


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Well I am new to this World Cup soccer thing, and I must say I was looking forward to an Italy-Brazil showdown. The last time those two teams met for the big trophy, it was an entertaining match. I remember the Italian's seemed challenged, skill-wise and for legs on the field in blistering 90 degree weather, really for the first time in the tournament. Every time the Brazilian's got the ball, the fans would start beating those African drums faster and faster as they ran down the field. It was a match between the titans of soccer and what a game it was.
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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
I am hoping Portugal and Italy get knocked out so we can have some peace and quiet and normal streetcar service again!

I will be the sole person to shut down that normality. Even if it is literally...JUST ME...but I'll do it!


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I say, what's wrong with a little celebration every four years ?. There's far too few of them when you thing about it. The world cup of soccer should be the first of many global holidays declared with national celebrations everywhere.
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quote:
Originally posted by Suzette:
What do you mean by that, Jooge?

and

quote:
Originally posted by Walker:
Yeah, what do you mean? Sorry, I hate asking people to explain their witty remarks- happens to me all the time.

Thanks Walker. I thought I was being a hoot.

As an aide memoir I have summarised England's key rivalries:

Cricket & Rugby - Australia (something just not right about having the inmates beat the warders.

Football (soccer) - Germany (and Argentina to a lesser degree since the 'Hand of God' incident from 1986. This one goes back a long way! Nuff said.

Everything else - USA


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quote:
Originally posted by Pride for Red Dolores:
My dad said that the French did nothing really, and that they only won because Spain wasn't playing as they should.

....and they inconveniently scored three goals as well. Damn those French bastards!


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quote:
Originally posted by Suzette:
You're right, though; it wasn't interest in the sport so much as that nationalistic mania that grips the country when a chance of winning international sport in is the air.
[ 01 July 2006: Message edited by: Suzette ]

I was disgusted by reports about the Aus/Greece friendly and the Aus/Italy game. The shock jocks were rabid about the fact that some Australians could actually barracking for the other team. Reminded me of the GWBush 'you're either with us or against us' dichotomy.
Towhit, you can't call yourself Australian and still hold feelings for another country. At least that was one thing about multiculturalism that we had over the USians: we didn't insist that people have the Australian flag tattooed on their arses when they migrated here.

Of course now...

Oh yeah, this was about World cup wasn't it. Have you seen the fuss that's going on in England?? I missed the game but I can imagine the knives were out for them.


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Parreira, who won the World Cup in 1994 with a much less talented squad, admitted "something" was lacking from the team on Saturday. They played, "without a tactical plan, without moves, without standards, without attack, without colour, without heat, without zeal. Without grace, without life, without happiness, without personality, without identity," wrote Fernando Calazans. "Without the Brazilian way of playing at all."

Parreira takes flak for Brazil loss

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In the aftermath of a punishing defeat, no man should be called to account for his impromptu remarks. But when Frank Lampard said on Saturday night that England had "deserved" to win the match in which defeat had just eliminated them from the World Cup, he was inadvertently exposing the problem at the heart of the team's consistent inability to scale the highest peaks.

David Beckham had used the same word earlier in the campaign. England would get to the World Cup final, the captain said, because they "deserved" to be there. Since no deeper analysis was forthcoming, his listeners were left to infer that the evidence in support of his contention might have included any or all of the following: England's historic role as the game's mother country; the vast popularity of the Premiership at home and abroad; the inflated pay and celebrity status of its players; and the attention lavished on the public appearances of their wives and girlfriends.

When Sven-Goran Eriksson also spoke about the team "deserving" to reach the final, he tried to suggest that it was because of the quality of their football. Strictly on the basis of their successive performances against Hungary, Jamaica, Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago, Sweden and Ecuador, however, it would have taken a battalion of the world's finest legal advocates to make a case for the justice of their arrival in the final rounds of the biggest international football tournament of all.

[...]

Where, on Saturday, was the Englishman prepared to take control of the game as Zinédine Zidane would do in France's defeat of Brazil later that night? The only candidate was Owen Hargreaves, who both converted his penalty - the one Englishman to do so - and secured the man- of-the-match award with 120 minutes of non-stop tackling, intercepting, running and passing. Alone among his colleagues, he displayed a dynamism that seemed to come from within. What also makes him unique among the squad, of course, is that he has never lived in England. The two things may not be unconnected.


England get their just desserts

Today's Guardian podcast called Sven Goran Eriksson's departure "the end of an error".

quote:
It will go down as the year they had two World Cups — one illuminated by disciples of the Beautiful Game, the other played by England. When Sven-Göran Eriksson and his long-ball sect were eliminated on penalties by Portugal last night, it ended the embarrassment it has been to be an Englishman in Germany this past month.

[...]

The uncouth behaviour of some of the camp followers has been a minor consideration. The real philistines have been on the pitch, although some dignity was salvaged in a battling display by England’s 10 men in Gelsenkirchen.

[...]

Eriksson deserves to be pilloried for reversing the laws of arithmetic and somehow having England’s whole add up to less than the sum of its parts.


End of the embarrassment

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By the way Owen Hargreaves is Canadian if anyone cares. It's too bad when we finally produce a good soccer player who goes to play for another country.
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yeah, it's because the canadian team cut him from its under-18 squad. he was picked up immediately.

by the way, i'm with people saying it'll be france-germany for the final.

go france!!


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The Canadian National Team never cut Owen Hargreaves at any level. On the contrary, they did everything they could to keep him dedicated to Canadian Soccer. In fact, they got him to promise at a young age that he would always play for Canada despite his multi-nationality (He could also have played for Wales and Ireland). But, when the chance came to play for England, he grabbed it, as well he should.
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While it would be nice to see our best play for Canada, the reality is that Canada's future in soccer is to make quixotic attempts at qualifying for the World Cup.

If I were him, offered the option of being almost assured of playing in every World Cup, I would take it.

The sad thing is that there are possibly better players in Canada who will never get to the World stage, not having a mother country.


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If he was on the team it's likely Canada would have made the cup, though of course not gone too far.

It's canada's choice though. We produce a lot of very good athletes in this country. But we don't tend to stream the most talented ones into Soccer. We prioritize hockey, and some olympic sports. Steve Nash for example was a great soccer player apparently, but chose basketball.


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quote:
Originally posted by Jooge:

....and they inconveniently scored three goals as well. Damn those French bastards!


You can never trust those dark swarthy Mediterranean types who'd steal your wallet. Because when they're not doing that, they're scoring goals at the World Cup! hawhawhaaaaw


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Let's watch the ironic racism, yes? I know it's just a joke, but it's the type of thing I get complaints about, so...
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Well, if Australia can do it (with several other sports taking the lion's share of attention, public funds, sporting grounds, marginalisation of the sport only for 'ethnics' etc, etc) then Canada can do it too.

See you in South Africa 2010!


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good piece debunking all the Big Picture "trends" speculation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/gabriele_marcotti/07/03/myths.facts/ index.html

FRANKFURT, Germany -- Every time the World Cup rolls around, we look for the "Big Trend."

We lapse into the most facile kind of deductive reasoning and conclude that 64 games every four summers provide some kind of accurate assessment of the state of the game.

Usually these these theories come from people who don't follow the sport week in, week out, but rather drop in every so often to make bold, sweeping statements.

Four years ago, with Turkey and South Korea in the semifinals (and the likes of the U.S. and Senegal doing well), it was all about how soccer had become truly globalized, how the old powers -- Europe and South America -- were on the wane.

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What are the odds on Germany making it to the final?

Well, starting in 1954, to and including 2002 there have been 13 World Cup Finals. Germany has appeared in seven of the 13.

Jürgen Klinsmann's boys have quite a record to uphold. I'm not betting against them.


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A chess match between the Italians and Germans. After 90 and injury time. ... still nill-nill.

The two teams defend brilliantly. Attacks are smothered at birth. And the keepers are two of the best in the world. It is a shame that either of these teams will lose.

Soon, there will be euphoria and dejection.

The Italians have hit the post twice in rapid succession. They do much better with attacks than with their corner kicks.

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Brilliant goal in the last minute of extra-time wins for Italy.

And now another for Italy.

2 - 0 Italy.

Let the party begin.


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It was a worthy goal by Grossa in a dazzling passing play. Del Piero finished it with the second goal for Italy. Hooray for Italy and for beautiful soccer.
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Beautiful soccer? You mean a bunch of men crying when particles of air near them? The Italians whined and moaned and did not deserve that win. A kitten could've been standing outside the stadium and the Italian team still would've attempted to take a dive and grief the refs into something.

I'm not sure who I want to win now I guess France. Italy is scorned for beating Ukraine. I don't think I'd mind Portugal.

Another 4 years and Ukraine will be back to dominate.

PS U-20 tix go on sale on the 15th.


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Mi scusi, the match was not decided by fooling the referee.
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Do you want a diving board to make whining easier?

Looks like you'll need it to swallow the pill that the Italian team cried more than a bunch of newborns. Oh, I'm sorry. Newborns usually have a reason to complain and roll on their backs.


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I don't know about you, but I watched the game in an Italian restaurant in Munich. I can tell you that there was sincere disappointment when Germany lost.
Of course, that's not surprising. The lone Italian fan was, of course, ecstatic. Until a young, (probably high) German patron punched him. The German was dragged away and we watched Italy score its second goal.
What Germany lost was not just a soccer match, but something they have been missing for decades (I think we can talk now of generations). What they lost was an opportunity to feel proud again. As most people are probably aware, the generations of Germans who inherited the legacy of their parents' war feel complexed about their national identity. As a colleague put it to me, "When was the last time you saw a German who said he was proud to be German, or who put up a German flag?" Of course, she had studied in the US, where nationalism has reached a peak not seen since - well, not seen for decades, let's leave it at that.
Recently, Deutsche Welle (www.dwelle.de) ran a story about the German national anthem, which most of us know as Deutschland über Alles. The gist of the piece was that Germans once again felt proud to sing their national anthem aloud (rather than merely hum along). The historical context of the anthem, which predates the darker eras of German history, makes for interesting reading.
Unfortunately, Germany's dream of a glorious sporting win vanished tonight. (Aside: Germany out-played the Italians for the first 2/3 of the game.) Would a win tonight have been the catalyst of a renewed nationalism, menacing Europe and eventually the world? Surely not. However, win or lose, the mere contemplation of a national victory might be enough to help the younger generations of Germans shake off the yolk of shame and regain the confidence to identify with their nation in a constructive fashion.

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Since I am not the one whining, obviously I'm not the one having trouble swallowing the result of that game. How could I? It was decided by two sweet Italian goals.
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No, I never argued the out come of the game.

However, that doesn't change the fact that Italian players have spines as sturdy as squids'.


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Well, well, well, it's Italy.

2 things:

1. I'm conflicted about their progession to the final, not so much because of this win (I mean, 2-0 is a clear win, diving or not diving), but because we could have been a contender if only. But in the end, THAT fateful goal, or THAT fateful penalty is not going to be recorded in the history books. Only the winners are noted.

2. I have noticed that, across the World Cup, the most used word has been 'deserved' or variations therein.
Eg.

    We deserved to win
    They didn't deserve to win
    We deserved to be in the final
    etc

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I'm a hardass at sports. When you get knocked down and you're not injured you get back up. No complaints. Teams that go hardcore with the diving really, really bother me. There were a few instances today that really caused me to boil over.

I'm also really biased, because Italy beat Ukraine. PB = loves Ukraine. So this is mostly just revenge dislike.


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quote:
Originally posted by Papal Bull:
I'm a hardass at sports. When you get knocked down and you're not injured you get back up. No complaints. Teams that go hardcore with the diving really, really bother me. There were a few instances today that really caused me to boil over.

Heh, can't say I disagree. Actually, as I was watching the game this morning a thought occurred to me- do teams like the Italians have a specialist 'diving' coach? Do players get tuition in how to dive effectively, in order to maximise their chances at getting free kicks?
Now there's a Google investiagtion for you.


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Double post.

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Winnipeg's Corydon Avenue was blocked off by the police today. Italians, and temporary friends of Italy, in the neighbourhood were celebrating today's victory. Flags everywhere. If there is an Italian - Portuguese final the entire city may come to a standstill.

Sidebar: The police would not tell me if there was a permit. But they, sure as shit, did not put up barricades and assist the participants when it came to the Critical Mass bike ride less than a week ago. Not sour grapes, just an observation of an apparent double standard: drunken debauchery is OK but principled protest is frowned upon.


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That's about the size of it, N.B. Anything that redirects focus off of them is tolerated. Just don't whip out a squeegee on some street corner and try to earn some cutter, kids.
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Once again, as a public service for those who want to visualize themselves at the Munich stadium for the France-Portugal game, a little political context.

The conservative state of Bavaria elects 45 local MPs: 44 CSU, and one solitary social democrat who, miraculously, is from the stadium's riding, Munich-North: Axel Berg, a 47-year-old lawyer, MP since 1998, and active in numerous citizens' initiatives, in particular in the peace and anti-nuclear power movement, Munich AIDS assistance; founding chair of the Friends of the Munich Metropol Theatre; In 1998 - 2002 SPD chair of the Commission of Inquiry on “Renewable Energy under conditions of globalization and liberalisation”; in 2002 - 2005 SPD Caucus deputy spokesperson on energy.

Also from Munich are list MPs Kornelia Möller (Left Party, whose local office is in Munich, and who has also adopted the riding of Landshut just north of Munich), 36-year-old post-doctoral student in biology Dr. Anton Hofreiter (Green Party), Green Party justice critic and defence lawyer Jerzy Montag, Otto Schily (former Green, now SPD) who was Minister of the Interior until last fall, Angelika Graf (SPD), from nearby Ulm my favourite Ekin Deligöz, 35-year-old Green Party MP of Turkish origin who came to Germany at age 8, first elected to Parliament when she was 27, and from nearby Augsburg 30-year-old FDP (liberal) youth spokesperson Miriam Gruß.
Did someone question whether the German system favours diversity?

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I'm really looking forward to tonight's match, which I'm going to watch with friends in a little French bar 'Le Cigale' in Dresden's Neustadt. After watching France's astonishing return to form in the match against Brazil I'm rooting for them all the way. Allez les Bleus! It was a beautiful match to watch, more to it than last night's game which did not disappoint, but it was all about tension and not much poetry in it.

I don't see Portugal winning the final; they fought an English side a man down for most of a match and couldn't capitalize on it and only got their win from the evil penalty shoot-out. It goes to France, handily I should say.

You could hear a pin drop in the streets here last night, utterly deserted; just the dull roar of animated voices from their clutches around the tv screens. But really, Germany should be proud, they did rather better than they were expected to and played some very fine football.

Don't know what I'll do when this is over. Get back to a normal life I suppose.


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France 1 up. Zidane penalty on 31mins.
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France 1 - 0 Portugal at the half.

Pretty scrappy game. Portugal have certainly pressed the game more in the first half.

Onto the second half!


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Last night when I left work, the score was 0-0. Halfway home, when the Italian cars were flying through Little Italy (which I had to pass through on the bus to get to my place) honking up a storm, I figured out who won.

I guess if the match right now doesn't go into overtime, I'll know before leaving work. If not, then I'll find out when I see whether my neighbourhood is quiet or a street party when I get home.


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France join Italy in the World Cup Final beating Portugal 1-0.

Michelle, your trip home should not be delayed by any street parties.


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So here are my predictions:

Italy 2 - 1 France (aet)

Germany 1 - 0 Portugal


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I live in a small town in eastern France,

which tonight felt like Times Square at New Year's Eve .....


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Italy 1 France 1

It goes on to extra time.

Extra time grinds on.

Goes to kicks.

France beats Italy 3-2.

Germany 1 Portugal 0


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I can't wait for the game. For the first time ever I am really interested in football, and there are going to be some real greats playing out there, some for the last time.
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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
I have reviewed my tape frame by frame and it is clear that the Italian player was not caused to fall by the Australian player's arm. The Italian's left foot was planted firmly against the Aussie's ass, and that is the only reason he fell over.

This kind of falling happens all the time, all over the field, and it's not worthy of a free kick, let alone a penalty. Nor is it always a case of diving; it's very easy for player to lose his balance and fall without fault on anyone's part.


The Aussie's ass was in motion. Have another look -

Neill grabbing Grosso's foot and you will see it is not falling but obstruction and tripping.

Yes diving is a problem in soccer but so is the sort of crap Neill is always doing. Neill is one of the most carded players in the Premier League and his antics caught up with him in that game. I'm just glad he didn't break anybody's leg this time.


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Originally posted by Drinkmore:
...and you will see it is not falling but obstruction and tripping.
You will see no such thing. Grosso was practically horizontal in the air before his foot even touched the hand - assuming it actually did. And with his back to Grosso, there's no way Neill could have intentionally put his hand where Grosso's foot was about to go.

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
You will see no such thing. Grosso was practically horizontal in the air before his foot even touched the hand - assuming it actually did. And with his back to Grosso, there's no way Neill could have intentionally put his hand where Grosso's foot was about to go.

Yeah after he jabs at Grosso with his elbow, Neill reaches behind himself with his hand and grabs Grosso's foot.


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Final political context: Stuttgart's MPs, who include:

Ute Kumpf, directly elected for the SPD, one of only four who won local seats for the SPD from this conservative state:

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She joined the Young Socialists in 1972, was a scientific employee at the University of Karlsruhe from 1975 to 1983, member of the German-Turkish forum of Stuttgart, from 1987 to 1998 a trade union officer and press spokeswoman, first elected as MP in 1998, SPD Caucus house leader since 2002.

Birgitt Bender, elected from the Green list:

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She was a lawyer from 1984 to 1988, then from 1988 to 2001 member of the state parliament of Baden-Württemberg, 1988 to 1990 leader of the parliamentary group, the first female leader of a parliamentary group in the state parliament of Baden-Württemberg; from 1992 to 2000 deputy leader of the Green parliamentary group. Member of the federal parliament since 2002.

Ulrich Maurer, elected from the Left Party list:
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A lawyer, he was chairman of the Baden-Württemberg SPD from 1987 to 1999, 1990 to 2003 member of the SPD Federal Administration, 1995 to 1999 and September 2000 until November 2001 member of the SPD executive. From 1971 to 1980 member of the local council of the city of Stuttgart, April 1980 until October 2005 member of the state parliament of Baden-Württemberg, and from 1992 to 2001 chairman of the SPD Caucus. Left the SPD for the Left Party, and was elected MP in 2005; managing director of the Left Party parliamentary group.

Florian Toncar, aged 26, elected from FDP list:

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A junior lawyer who wrote his first legal state examination only in 2005 at the regional court in Stuttgart, he was elected an MP the same year. Since 2003 regional chairman of the young liberals, and member of the FDP state executive committee for Baden-Württemberg and for the region of Stuttgart.

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Bend it like Bastian, times three:
quote:
Player of the Day Bastian Schweinsteiger.

There could have been no other choice for the game’s best player. The first had the benefit of a wicked swerve which took the ball through the goalkeeper’s flailing arms.

The second goal came from a Schweinsteiger free-kick which Petit put into his own goal.

Then, with 12 minutes remaining, the Bayern Munich man came infield from a wide position once more and unleashed a drive which Ricardo could not have been expected to keep out.



Portugal looked lively enough. But they did not have anyone to Bend it Like Bastian - Germany's Bastian Schweinsteiger whose long-range blast in the 56th minute dipped and curved to leave Ricardo in goal grasping at air.

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posted 09 July 2006 12:11 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A global television audience of more than a billion is expected to tune in for the game, a record for any event.

Hundreds of millions will tune in worldwide and hundreds of millions will ignore it on ABC and Univision in the United States.

The Italy v France World Cup Final on Sunday will be the most watched TV programme of the millennium with a predicted audience of up to 300m, with as many as 500m tuning in for the final whistle.

It's Italy vs. France, a global TV audience expected in the neighbourhood of 1.5 billion to watch two European bluebloods playing off for the World Cup Trophy.

Fifa claims the 2002 World Cup final was watched by 1.1 billion people. In fact, according to Kevin Alavy, the senior analyst at Initiative, that game was watched live by 250 million people, peaking around 375 million:

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Initiative uses only data from the official TV measurement supplier in each country, such as Barb in the UK. Neither do Initiative's figures include ratings of delayed footage, replays, highlights, news clips or out-of-home viewing.

Fifa's figures, based on a mix of ratings, surveys and out-of-home estimates, included anyone who saw any bit of the match at all, for any length of time, at any time, on television, including on news items afterwards, if only for a few seconds.

The 2006 World Cup figures are likely to be 15 per cent up on 2002, and close to 1998, the record holder for any event.

The opener between Germany and Costa Rica attracted 30 per cent more viewers in six major Indian cities (where accurate meter data is available) than India's cricket tour to the West Indies at the same time.



Germany v. Italy was the most watched match of the tournament to date in both participating countries. The average live program audience for the match in Germany was 28m viewers with an audience share of 84%. In Italy, 21m viewers watched the match, an audience share of 79%.

Only 3.9 million Americans watched the 2002 World Cup final, which had an audience of 1.1 billion worldwide. By comparison, nearly 91 million viewers watched this year's Super Bowl. Nearly 39 million watched the Academy Awards, and 36 million tuned in for May's finale of "American Idol.

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ceti
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posted 09 July 2006 07:28 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here in Toronto without cable.

But, I think I can catch the game on Omni, telecast in Italian of course.

I'm with both teams. Between the blue and green stripe, everything else the same.

Italian soccer is really suffering right now with the huge gambling scandals. An Italian win would also a nice way to welcome Prodi while sending Berlusconi to jail.

France would also do well with a boost from its multicultural team. Zidane kicks ass!


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Michelle
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posted 09 July 2006 08:24 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A new babbler just started a thread over here. Although I would normally close the new thread and redirect people to the already running thread, this thread is pretty long and will be closed for length soon anyhow. So why don't I just close this one, and we'll continue in JBBB's new thread.
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