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Jimmy Brogan
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posted 02 June 2004 12:34 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Release date is June 25th.

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LOS ANGELES (AP) - Michael Moore's award-winning documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" has picked up a U.S. distributor and will hit theaters June 25.

The film will be released by a partnership of Lions Gate Films, IFC Films and the Fellowship Adventure Group, which was formed by Harvey and Bob Weinstein specifically to market Moore's film.


I have a feeling with all the publicity surrounding this film it will make a large load of cash.


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posted 02 June 2004 04:14 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More importantly, it will (we hope!) inspire large numbers of U.S. voters to get out and defeat Bush.
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The skeptic in me wants to think that this is all a marketing ploy. Apparently, Moore knew when he signed the original deal with Miramax that there would be a problem with Disney. I like Moore and I don't have a problem with the whole marketing strategy. I just hope he answers the question honestly if (and that's a big if) a reporter asks him about the marketing. The serendipitous timing of the win at Cannes simply adds to the hope that Bush will be dumped in November.
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posted 02 June 2004 05:22 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I have a feeling with all the publicity surrounding this film it will make a large load of cash.

Which means a whole lot of people will see it. Including people that most need to, those easily lead by things like blockbuster sales at the box offices. I don't care why people see a movie like this, just that they do, gives the good guys a chance to plant some seeds.


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posted 02 June 2004 05:27 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Any lack of integrity that Moore might be displaying by playing some kind of "marketing game", is surely justified in his fight against the corruption, theft, lying, murder, torturing, and assorted crimes against humanity that he's fighting against.
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NBC news just carried the story and, for some reason, they aired a 30 second trailer for the film without any modification. I suspect there was supposed to be a voiceover by an NBC reporter. Either that or they accidentally ran the trailer instead of their own report.
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You can see the trailer here: http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

Update: Sign says "Temporarily down, back soon"

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Anyone know if it'll be released in Canada on the 25th as well?

And is anyone organizing a "let's watch the movie and then discuss it" kind of event? (in Toronto especially)


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Liberals Rally As Moore Film Chomps Bush

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by Jake Brooks, Joe Hagan and Lizzy Ratner

"How the hell do we get out of this mess?" asked a frazzled Lauren Bacall, who had once sat coolly on Harry S. Truman’s piano and campaigned majestically with Adlai E. Stevenson in the days before New York Democrats had to hide in secret meeting places like the Ziegfeld Theater on 54th Street. Ms. Bacall was emerging from the mega-screening of Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 at the Ziegfeld Theater on Monday, June 14, which seemed a great deal more Party and less party than New York had seen in a long while.

The movie had ended and the celebrity-packed audience came stumbling out onto the street, with images of usurpation in their heads, seething with a passion for restoration. If Bill Clinton had walked into the theater—or John Podesta!—the place might have levitated. But they didn’t, and there was no goal in sight except bourgeois revolution, which made Ms. Bacall’s question perfectly understandable after Mr. Moore’s 110-minute piece of stunning, farce-and-shrapnel anti-war agit-prop. The film had left at least part of its audience stunned, silenced, even crying at what President George W. Bush had wrought by taking the nation to war in Iraq.

But Ms. Bacall wasn’t talking about Iraq. Mired in the crush of greasy paparazzi and rowdy civilian voyeurs, she was just trying to find a taxi among a few hundred liberal stars and a media glut. Before the Age of Schwarzenegger, liberal stars were a dime a truckload; now, like Munchkins, they had begun crawling back out from under their houses, new ones, old ones, ancient ones: Sean Lennon looking scruffy and bearded with lady-friend Elizabeth Jagger and Yoko Ono, Leonardo DiCaprio, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Tom Brokaw, Leslie Stahl, Ed Bradley, David Dinkins, Carson Daly, Moby, Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., Tina Brown, Air America den mother Al Franken.

It left some muttering with fury about Mr. Moore’s cinematic tactics. This, after all, was not Cannes, where Fahrenheit 9/11 had been met by an ecstatic Mediterranean standing ovation. But mostly it was received with stunned, vengeful pleasure, so that when the now-expected shot of Paul Wolfowitz dousing his comb in saliva before using it was shown at the top of the film, the Ziegfeld erupted in an "ohhhh, groosssss!" groan, and when Condoleezza Rice’s face showed up on the screen, the sound of hisses rose from the red plush seats on West 54th Street.

But others were more circumspect. The day after the film, Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., the 87-year old Pulitzer Prize–winning historian, former special assistant to President Kennedy and former film critic for Vogue, said, "I think it was a powerful film showing the folly and futility of the war against Iraq, but it seemed to me it could have been more effective if it had any perceptible structure. I think it could have an effect: It crystallizes a lot of apprehensions and anxieties about the war. And because the media have been in favor of the war, I think it’s very useful."



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Fox News gives F9/11 thumbs up?!?

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It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.

As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty — and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice.

Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets such as Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say.

Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and bin Laden families.



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So Mike gets his start picking on GM about jobs in Flint Michigan but he uses a Canadian company to create/manage his website?

With all the money Mike is making you would think he would direct that money back to Flint Michigan?

www.plankdesign.com

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In early 2002 we took over the development of the flagship website of American filmmaker, writer and political rabble-rouser Michael Moore. Since early 2002 we have been reworking the site into a fully dynamic site that facilitates quicker communication between Michael Moore and his fans.

Good for plankdesign.com.

Its just funny that Mike like GM didn't stick around to help Flint.

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Flint Arts Council head Greg Fiedler, the event's organizer, gave three reasons Moore was not invited to the Flint file festival:

First, "He'd make the festival into his own event." Second, it was reported Moore had recently declined to help Flint arts programs, asserting "I don't even live there any more." Third, Fiedler said, local noncontestant filmmaker participants asked that Moore not be invited.

That Moore abandoned Flint 15 years ago is a local sore point, along with the fact his breakout first film bared his hometown to the world as a permanent, pathetic basket case. If Moore didn't want to help Flint, Flint didn't want to help him, Fiedler said. So the world's most famous filmmaker of the moment had to do without the hometown boost, and Flint was on its own.



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I suspect Jack doesn't want to see the film. Just a guess.
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Jack01
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I loved his first film.

GM needed a kick in the pants.

I'll rent F-911 when its reaches video.

I just don't like M. Moore.

Today he doesn't seem that different from his original foder Roger Smith ex: CEO of GM.

Different politics sure, but Mikey's arrogance/narcissim has gone past what you might find at GM in the late 80's or ever today.


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Americans are complaining that F 911 is going to be rated R when it is released there. Does anybody know how it is going to be rated here? For example, if I wasn't allergic to air freshioner would I be able to bring the 12 year old to it if I wanted to? I know that F 911 is opening in Winnipeg on June 25.

http://www.thomhartman.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000014

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Its just funny that Mike like GM didn't stick around to help Flint.
And I supposed Francis Ford Coppolla should help all the victims of the mafia since he made a movie about it?

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NPP: But Coppola didn't make a movie about the victims of the mafia.

Jack01: Moore's outrage at GM's treatment of its Flint plantworkers resulted in a breakout film that brought international attention to that tragedy. Nobody would know the name of the town and what happened there unless Moore had persisted in making that movie. You and the head of the Flint Arts Council would like him to do even more than that. You both imply that he's a hypocrite for not doing so. When one considers what "Roger and Me" accomplished in terms of exposing GM's behaviour and taking revenge by satirizing it, Moore's contribution to Flint was obviously enormous. Your outrage on behalf of that town is disingenuous and cynical because it clearly has everything to do with your political orientation, not Moore's integrity.


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When you think about that movie, it was pretty scathing not just about GM but about many aspects of the town. It was nasty to the local elites, showing them delivering pathetically out of touch lines from their golf courses and showing them having decadent parties at the newly built penitentiary before it started being used for prisoners, etc. And it showed local government as pursuing expensive but worthless white-elephant booster projects with pitiful, empty rah-rah rhetoric.
No, I expect the local notables who organize film festivals and the local politicians are not especially happy with Moore. But that doesn't make him wrong. So if he thinks the local politicians are worthless dorks, what's he gonna do--give them money to waste on more white elephants? The only alternative that might work would be to go back and work directly with grassroots organizations, put the time in along with the money so he could feel it was being well spent. But you know, I think Fahrenheit 9/11 is probably going to be worth more to the world in terms of return on time spent, so I'm not gonna second guess him too hard on how he should be running his life.

Michael Moore's biggest fault to me is his tendency to jump to conclusions for their unorthodoxy value and then refuse to back down. Like that general guy he was backing for President, who was a total sleazebag. But (gallic shrug attempt) he's a damn good filmmaker and attention-grabber. It's never seemed to me that he's displayed more ego than a person basically needs if they're going to be a good attention-grabber.


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Bittersweet,

Living in a border town dependent on the auto industry even the casual observer can associate the town with the product line.

Flint-Buick.
Oshawa-GM Truck.
Windsor-Chrysler Minivan.

To be blunt yes, Michael Moore is a hypocrite.

Yes, he has never done anything for Flint.

Like any good opportunist he made his nickel and moved on. When it suites him he will claim his birth right and thump his chest.

Flint is still there.

GM while headquartered in Warren, MI has a huge investment in the city of Detroit by using office space in the Renasance Center. When you look out from the Windsor Casino its the big building with GM on the top of it.

I think Mike is living on the upper east side of New York. I guess that would be Manhattan. I also read that his kid attends an expensive private school.

Funny how wealthy white folk who take umbridge with racism always seem to send their kids to private schools.

Another Stupid White Male avoiding the public school system. Crazy?

Good for Mike I hope he likes New York.


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Jack01: Since your last post doesn't contain an argument specifically countering mine--you know, the one referencing the film "Roger and Me" and what it did for Flint, and why claims of Moore's hypocrisy are cynical--I'll assume it's simply repeated evidence of your political orientation leading to a groundless opinion.

Edited to add: However, I am concerned about Moore's lack of accuracy. As Roger Ebert wrote

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Because I agree with Moore's politics, his inaccuracies [in Columbine] pained me, and I wrote about them in my Answer Man column. Moore wrote me that he didn't expect such attacks "from you, of all people." But I cannot ignore flaws simply because I agree with the filmmaker. In hurting his cause, he wounds mine.

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Moore is occasionally loose with the truth -- his portrayal of Canada, f'rinstance, while flattering, is ridiculously rosy.

Still, let's remember that by the standards of the mainstream American media, his inaccuracies are pretty small fucking potatoes. After all, it wasn't Michael Moore who mindlessly regurgitated George Bush's lies and allowed him to hoodwink the American public into the Iraq nightmare.


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Moore warns against the RepubliCons at Toronto premiere:
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Firebrand filmmaker Michael Moore hopes his controversial new work Fahrenheit 9/11 will help stop Conservative Leader Stephen Harper from becoming Prime Minister, along with throwing U.S. President George W. Bush out of office.

Moore came to Toronto last night for the Canadian premiere of his Palme d'Or-winning film, which opens in theatres June 25 and which scorches the Bush administration for its handling of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that followed them.

And he brought with him a warning that if Canadians swing to the right by electing Harper on June 28, as polls suggest might happen, then dire consequences will follow.

"I can't believe that you guys would think about going in that direction, when we're trying to get out of that direction," Moore told the Star, shortly before heading to the Varsity Cinemas to make a red-carpet arrival at the screening.

"I hope this doesn't happen. Bush is going to throw a party (after the Canadian election). He's going to be a happy man. (Harper) has a big pair of scissors in his hand. He wants to snip away at your social safety net. He'd like this to be the 51st State."

Moore doesn't let the Liberals off the hook, blaming them for creating the mood in Canada where a Conservative government seems plausible.

"They moved to the right (under Martin), which then validated the right."


http://makeashorterlink.com/?E27C32A98


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So we should listen to Moore who for some reason can't make a documentary based on facts?
http://www.moorelies.com/
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

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"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
-- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."
-- Dubya couldn't pass a literacy test if his life depended on it. Proof positive that Affirmative Action helped dunces like Dubya slide past stiff entrance requirements at Ivy league schools a la the Legacy System

10 Appalling Lies You Were Told About Iraq

Big Lies Your Were Told About 9-11

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the ny times review ...

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Mr. Moore is often impolite, rarely subtle and occasionally unwise. He can be obnoxious, tendentious and maddeningly self-contradictory. He can drive even his most ardent admirers crazy. He is a credit to the republic.

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After you leave the theater, some questions are likely to linger about Mr. Moore's views on the war in Afghanistan, about whether he thinks the homeland security program has been too intrusive or not intrusive enough, and about how he thinks the government should have responded to the murderous jihadists who attacked the United States on Sept. 11. At the same time, though, it may be that the confusions trailing Mr. Moore's narrative are what make "Fahrenheit 9/11" an authentic and indispensable document of its time. The film can be seen as an effort to wrest clarity from shock, anger and dismay, and if parts of it seem rash, overstated or muddled, well, so has the national mood.

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The movie is much more than "Dude, Where's My Country," carried out by other means. It is worth seeing, debating and thinking about, regardless of your political allegiances.

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Fahrenheit 9/11 is hot, hot, hot rave critics

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June 23 2004 at 07:48PM

New York - American critics gave a warm welcome on Wednesday to Michael Moore's caustic documentary Fahrenheit 9/11, praising the movie's scathing humour while voicing some reservations over the director's methods.

"Informative, provocative, frightening, compelling, funny, manipulative and, most of all, entertaining," read USA Today's gushing review of Moore's polemic against the invasion of Iraq and the administration of President George Bush.

"Fahrenheit 9/11 is the year's must-see film," the national daily said, while questioning whether the unabashed bias of the documentary would actually change minds in an already polarised United States electorate.

While acknowledging that Moore's latest piece of agitprop, which won the Palme D'Or at this year's Cannes film festival, could be "nitpicked and second guessed," The Los Angeles Times labelled the film "a landmark in American filmmaking (that) demands to be seen."

'Moore has made an overwhelming film'
The movie opened in New York on Wednesday and can be seen across the country from Friday. It was initially, and very publicly, denied distribution in the United States by Disney, the parent company of Miramax, which financed it.

"With expertly deployed footage and a take-no-prisoners attitude that echoes that of his conservative betes noir, Moore has made an overwhelming film," the Times said.



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‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ ban?

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Ads for Moore’s movie could be stopped on July 30

By Alexander Bolton

Michael Moore may be prevented from advertising his controversial new movie, “Fahrenheit 9/11,” on television or radio after July 30 if the Federal Election Commission (FEC) today accepts the legal advice of its general counsel.

At the same time, a Republican-allied 527 soft-money group is preparing to file a complaint against Moore’s film with the FEC for violating campaign-finance law.

In a draft advisory opinion placed on the FEC’s agenda for today’s meeting, the agency’s general counsel states that political documentary filmmakers may not air television or radio ads referring to federal candidates within 30 days of a primary election or 60 days of a general election.

The opinion is generated under the new McCain-Feingold campaign-finance law, which prohibits corporate-funded ads that identify a federal candidate before a primary or general election.

The proscription is broadly defined. Section 100.29 of the federal election regulations defines restricted corporate-funded ads as those that identify a candidate by his “name, nickname, photograph or drawing” or make it “otherwise apparent through an unambiguous reference.”



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Ban? Get serious. All they'll have to do is alter the ads so as to remove Bush. Sure, that sucks, but I'm sure they'll find other creative ways to make their advertisements exciting and provocative.
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Hello sailor!!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by beluga2:
Moore is occasionally loose with the truth -- his portrayal of Canada, f'rinstance, while flattering, is ridiculously rosy.

Still, let's remember that by the standards of the mainstream American media, his inaccuracies are pretty small fucking potatoes. After all, it wasn't Michael Moore who mindlessly regurgitated George Bush's lies and allowed him to hoodwink the American public into the Iraq nightmare.


Canada is a fucken paradise compared to the violent circus that is life in George Bush's United States.
If the American media had done their fucken job analyzing and criticizing Bush's reasons for going to war maybe we'd have no need for Michael Moore's movie. The American media played mindless cheerleader to Bush's lies and this is where we find ourselves now.
If the media had spent 1/10 of the energy they spent investigating Bill Clintons penis we'd all be alot safer and many soldiers and Iraqis would still be alive today.

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Neocons want to shut down this movie. What cretins these people are wanting to shut DOWN A MOVIE.
Scared of a little freedom and democracy I say.

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This is a film that doesn't require us to actually view it to know it's filled with factual inaccuracies."

-Dan Bartlett, White House Communications Director, Commenting On Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11


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According to the lying liars.
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"Go back to bed America your government is in control."
-Bill Hicks.

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Roger Ebert gives it 3 1/2 stars (out of 4)
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Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" is less an expose of George W. Bush than a dramatization of what Moore sees as a failed and dangerous presidency. The charges in the film will not come as news to those who pay attention to politics, but Moore illustrates them with dramatic images and a relentless commentary track that essentially concludes Bush is incompetent, dishonest, failing in the war on terrorism, and has bad taste in friends.
..."Fahrenheit 9/11" opens on a note not unlike Moore's earlier films, such as "Roger & Me" and "Bowling for Columbine." Moore, as narrator, brings humor and sarcasm to his comments, and occasionally appears onscreen in a gadfly role. It's vintage Moore, for example, when he brings along an unsuspecting Marine recruiter as he confronts congressmen, urging them to have their children enlist in the service...Such scenes are typical of vintage Moore, catching his subjects off guard. But his film grows steadily darker, and Moore largely disappears from it, as he focuses on people such as Lila Lipscomb, from Moore's hometown of Flint, Mich.; she reads a letter from her son, written days before he was killed in Iraq. It urges his family to work for Bush's defeat.

...If the film is not quite as electrifying as Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," that may be because Moore has toned down his usual exuberance and was sobered by attacks on the factual accuracy of elements of "Columbine"; playing with larger stakes, he is more cautious here, and we get an op-ed piece, not a stand-up routine. But he remains one of the most valuable figures on the political landscape, a populist rabble-rouser, humorous and effective; the outrage and incredulity in his film are an exhilarating response to Bush's determined repetition of the same stubborn sound bites.



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'Fahrenheit 9/11' tops $8 million in first day !!!
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Wow, considering Farenheit only opened in 900 theatres, those are awesome numbers for Moore's film!! This could be the first documentary to ever reach Blockbuster status (making over 100 million dollars domestic)!

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I just came from seeing the film, the theatre was packed. It certainly lives up to the hype. hopefully, enough Americans will see it to make a difference in November.
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posted 27 June 2004 02:34 AM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you see it at Westhills? I did at the 7:20 show. There was a huge line up. Everyone clapped at the end, as everyone does at the end of Michael Moore films. It was cool to see many muslim families watching as well.

It was a sad movie in many parts, obviously because war is a gut wrenching event.


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Yes, I did see it at Westhills, a 4 o'clock showing and the theatre was full. The audience was very quiet through most of the film with a loud ovation when it ended.
I see it made number one this weekend with 21 million in receipts. I hope Moore has lots of security guards. If the right hated him before, they'll be screaming for his blood very soon no doubt.

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village voice: new yorkers react to the film ...

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If the drawn faces of audience members leaving some of the first screenings in New York City are any indication, this film fucks you up. (Hey Fahrenheit marketing people, put that blurb on your poster!)

Those people willing to speak—many were dumbstruck and declined to talk, walking off in dazed silence—responded with intense emotion.

One attendee joked, "I laughed, I cried, I wanted the Bush family dead!"



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quote:
Originally posted by mary123:
Scared of a little freedom and democracy I say.

Not quite. Democracy they can control. Free speech is much much harder.


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Robert Jensen notes that Moore's film, while justifiably slamming Bush, misses the bigger picture.

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The claim that "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a conservative movie may strike some as ludicrous. But the film endorses one of the central lies that Americans tell themselves, that the U.S. military fights for our freedom. This construction of the military as a defensive force obscures the harsh reality that the military is used to project U.S. power around the world to ensure dominance, not to defend anyone's freedom, at home or abroad...

...The problem is not just that the Iraq War was fundamentally illegal and immoral. The whole rotten project of empire building has been illegal and immoral -- and every bit as much a Democratic as a Republican project. The millions of dead around the world -- in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia -- as a result of U.S. military actions and proxy wars don't care which U.S. party was pulling the strings and pulling the trigger when they were killed. It's true that much of the world hates Bush. It's also true that much of the world has hated every post-WWII U.S. president. And for good reasons....


...I agree that Bush should be kicked out of the White House, and if I lived in a swing state I would consider voting Democratic. But I don't believe that will be meaningful unless there emerges in the United States a significant anti-empire movement.

In other words, if we beat Bush and go back to "normal," we're all in trouble. Normal is empire building. Normal is U.S. domination, economic and military, and the suffering that vulnerable people around the world experience as a result.


Stupid White Movie

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Hey, that's an interesting point Qa'bong.

I thought the movie was good, fine storytelling and all, powerful at points. But I too watched in a theatre where people clapped at the end (and booed the coke commercial before the previews - and even booed the previews!), and I didn't get the feeling that people were watching THIS movie critically. Of course some were, like myself, but I definitely got the impression from some audience members that EVERYTHING Michael Moore says must be true, or correct, and that he is a a liberal God.

Be critical of everything people!

Still, a good movie.


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posted 07 July 2004 11:40 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by wei-chi:

But I too watched in a theatre where people clapped at the end (and booed the coke commercial before the previews - and even booed the previews!)


And the problem with that is? Personally, I resent the captive audience commercials. It wasn't that long ago that they were verbotten. And the previews have gotten ridiculous. Instead of two or three, you have to sit through nearly ten! The movie doesn't end up starting until at least 20 minutes after the posted time.


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Well, there were only 3 previews at this one.

Of course, people can do whatever they want, but we all paid the same price to get into the theatre. If people want to complain about the ads, go talk to the manager.

We could go towards a movie theatre where people talk back at dialogue and throw popcorn at the screen. But I'm not paying $10 for that, so warn me if that's where we are headed.


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I saw it.

Most of the facts that he points out in the movie were already discussed by the CBC's Fifth Estate last year.

I'm glad he made it though, the American audience needs to know these things. I feel so bad for that country right now, leaving the theatre I thought that THEY were the ones who needed to be liberated! Send in the Swiss Army!


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