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Briguy
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posted 03 October 2007 04:37 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What do they need to do (beside tarring and feathering John Ferguson, which we already know) to do anything this year?

I pondered this last night and came up with a couple of answers:

1. Pull a Tonya Harding on Raycroft. Get a consistant goalie to replace his streaky self, while he recovers. Is Pogge ready/able to play in the NHL? Are there any tradeable commodities that could bring a good goalie to T-dot? Remember that Toskola had some big defencemen on his team last year. I hope he plays well, but to me, he's still an unknown factor.

2. Who's on the third and fourth lines? Honestly? Can we maybe consider finding a few cheap-yet-predictable journeymen to throw back there? I know we ain't gonna get the depth of Detroit any time this decade, but we can't just completely ignore the need for six more forwards who can skate and chew gum at the same time.

3. Practice the power play. Try moving the puck around more, finding opportunities to get the puck in the slot, etc. Seriously, this isn't rocket science. Every other team in the league has looked at the 'new' (actually, just 'enforced somewhat') rules, and came to the conclusion that scoring on the power play would translate into wins. (ya, ya, Kaberle was injured last season, blah, blah. Maybe having a second defenceman who's able to complete a smart/soft pass wouldn't be a bad idea?)


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quelar
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posted 03 October 2007 04:53 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An unpopular statement, but I will repeat it for you leaf fans that don't get the message

Get rid of Sundin.

Yes, I know he's a great player, great skills and everything, but he has never once shown the sort of hard playing grit you need to win in the playoffs. He always folds under pressure, doesn't show the leadership they need to overcome the hard spots.

The other big issue is the fans. They need to stop buying tickets. The minute the leafs start hurting financially from losing for 40+ years, they'll actually start caring about winning. I believe it was Ferguson who said it a few years back that Winning the cup would be nice, but they pack the seats every night, so that's all that's really important.


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posted 03 October 2007 05:12 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As much as it pains me to say it Raycroft had great numbers last year. You can't win if you can't score. It doesn't matter how many pucks you keep out of the net if you can't put them in. Goaltending is an easy scapegoat. Too many injuries helped put us in the position we ended up in at the end of last season, you shouldn't have to count on another team losing to make it in to the playoffs. I do believe we would have put up a better fight in the first round than they did though.

I don't think Sundin is the problem at all. When he has talent on a line with him he puts up great numbers, this is a guy that takes a puck in the face, 13 stiches and comes back to score the winning goal, the guy has grit when he isn't injured or hampered by less talented/experienced players - he won a gold medal after all he knows how to win just fine. I think playing with Blake will be great for him this year.

The only thing that will change things for the Leafs is new ownership. The Teacher's Pension Fund has made a mockery of this team. If they sell, things will change and Ferguson might be able to do his job. We all know why they couldn't hire the one guy they begged to take a job with the organization, they couldn't offer up the freedom to what ever needs to be done.

Pogge isn't ready for the NHL just yet I don't think but next year he might just be ready to be back-up.

I am really looking forward to watching Kilger again this year, I like him alot, he's the kind of player Leaf fans usually adore. I think this season has two ways it can go, either the team gels with some of the new talented smaller players and make some magic or the team never develops strong lines and we stink up the joint. Regardless blaming goaltending is pointless if you can't score.

And it's easy to tell people to stop buying tickets, but if you love hockey that's a hard thing to do. Another NHL team closer might change that though, like a team in KW.


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This is the year! Yessirree!

Sorry, I always have to get that out of my system at the beginning of the season.


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quelar
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
This is the year! Yessirree!

PLONK!


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posted 03 October 2007 07:06 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
meanwhile, over in arch-rival Ottawa, loads of confidence! and elegantly expressed!

(from La Presse,
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071003/CPDROIT/71002257/6168/ACTEST
via automatic translator babelfish
http://babelfish.altavista.com/


Daniel Alfredsson considers that it is a little too early to speak about a possible return of the Senators finally of the Stanley cut. He knows that there are heaps of stages to cross before arriving from there there. He especially learned, last season, at which point the first stages are often most important. The captain had the fun the last autumn. Its team gained only eight of her the first 20 parts in regular season.

In the beginning of December, in spite of a light renewal, it still did not appear among eight the best of the Association of the East which is intended to take part in the eliminatory series. "It was necessary to play of almost perfect hockey, thereafter, for quite simply obtaining our pass for the series", remembers it.

Watch out, Leafs !!

[ 03 October 2007: Message edited by: Geneva ]


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posted 03 October 2007 07:58 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess maybe his huge Cup promising ego is finally in choke, scratch that I meant check.
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posted 03 October 2007 08:08 AM      Profile for johnpauljones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
as of now the leafs are undefeated. They are in first place in the Northeast.

They are tied for first in the Eastern Conference.

It can and will only go downhill from here.


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posted 03 October 2007 08:21 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh hush. Who asked you anyhow.
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Briguy
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posted 03 October 2007 08:56 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hate to disagree, Scout, but Raycroft's save percentage last year was 0.894 (which is actually a save frequency, but I quibble). That puts him #36 amongst last year's NHLers. His GAA was 2.99 (#32). His 37 wins came because he has streaks of brilliance. I want those streaks to be more long-term. If that ever happens, he'll repeat the career half-year that he had down in Beantown.

However, I am a pessimist.

Don't get me wrong, he's an improvement on Cujo.

Does anyone think that exhuming Harold Ballard's corpse and sprinkling holy water on the decaying remains would help? Because I've actually considered taking such action.


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quelar
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F@#% the holy water, we need to dig him up, sever his head and stake him through the heart...

As for Raycroft, you can say whatever you want about the guy, but there's never been a successful goalie with a defense as bad as the leafs.

I did like the change in play last year from the normal dump and chase leafs, but the players that have been around too long (sundin, as mentioned about), don't know how to play the new style and should be shuffled off to make room for some new players.


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posted 03 October 2007 10:37 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Losers
Even
After
Forty
Seasons

At least that's what a Habs fan told me the other day...


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Scout
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Well I got tickets for tonight and I'm looking forward to booing Alfredson. Woo hoo!

Go Leafs Go!


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posted 03 October 2007 11:43 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The last time I saw a live Leafs game it was at Maple Leaf Gardens, the Big "M" was playing, and my dad was telling me that if I went to Yorkville where all those hippies were then I shouldn't bother coming home. I seem to recall they won the Cup that year.

How have they been doing since? Heh he.


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posted 03 October 2007 11:58 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
The last time I saw a live Leafs game it was at Maple Leaf Gardens, the Big "M" was playing, and my dad was telling me that if I went to Yorkville where all those hippies were then I shouldn't bother coming home. I seem to recall they won the Cup that year.

How have they been doing since? Heh he.


The last, and only time I saw them live was at The Collesium in LA, playing against the "LA Kings".

They won, and the Big M was great to see in action.

Oh, I feel so old.


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posted 03 October 2007 12:14 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't the thread title a bit redundant?
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posted 03 October 2007 12:15 PM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right Scott, most threads around here are pretty shameless....
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posted 03 October 2007 12:20 PM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
The last time I saw a live Leafs game it was at Maple Leaf Gardens, the Big "M" was playing, .... I seem to recall they won the Cup that year.

my first game at the Gardens, we were in the greys, and Ellis, Pulford, Shack, cannot recall, were all there still

the Mahovlich trade really affected me; I can remember Ullman Henderson Smith like it was yesterday

luckily, that trade set up my adult life, as I followed Big M to Detroit (Howe-Delvecchio-Frank.M), then Montreal (Beliveau-Cournoyer-FrankM.)

and that led, thru the 1970s Habs, to a love of all things Montreal

thanks, Frank:
OK OK, a one-time Maple Leaf !


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[ 03 October 2007: Message edited by: Geneva ]


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Michelle
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posted 03 October 2007 12:23 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All right, that's it. The next person to insult the Leafs - BANNED!

(Oh, the raw power! )


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munroe
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posted 03 October 2007 12:24 PM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Leafs, who? Not shameless, shameful. I thought that that eastern conference was delegated to its junior components after Quebec lost the franchise.

Must admit, I do like the autumn - you know, when the leaves turn and fall....


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posted 03 October 2007 12:28 PM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's see if this works...

_____________________

Toronto GM John Ferguson Jr. sends scouts around the world looking for a new centre to hopefully help win the Stanley Cup for the Maple Leafs. One of his scouts informs him of a young Afghani centre who he thinks will turn out to be a true superstar. So John flies to Afghanistan to watch him play and is suitably impressed and arranges for him to come over to play in the NHL.

Two weeks later, Toronto is down 4-0 at home against Montreal with only 8 minutes to play. The coach gives the young Afghani centre the nod to go on, and he puts him on in place of Sundin. The lad is a sensation, scores 5 goals in 8 minutes and wins the game for Toronto. The fans are delighted, the players are delighted and the media love the new star.

When he gets off the ice, he phones his Mom to tell her about his first day in the NHL. "HI Mom,guess what?" he says. "I played for 8 minutes today, we were down 4-0 but I scored 5 goals and we won. Everybody loves me; the fans, the players and the media, they all love me".

"Great," says his Mom,"let me tell you about our day. Your Father got shot in the street, your sister and I were assaulted and mugged, and your brother has joined a gang of looters, while you were having a great time."

The young lad is very upset."What can I say, Mom? I'm sorry".

"Sorry!" says his Mom, "It's your damned fault that we moved to Toronto in the first place!"

[ 03 October 2007: Message edited by: quelar ]


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posted 03 October 2007 12:48 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
All right, that's it. The next person to insult the Leafs - BANNED!

(Oh, the raw power! )


Hey, Michelle, I miss your previous moniker. "Moderator" doesn't sound nearly as brawny...


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quote:
Originally posted by Geneva:
and that led, thru the 1970s Habs, to a love of all things Montreal

thanks, Frank:
OK OK, a one-time Maple Leaf


And there was Pete Mahovlich, the other brother from Timmins. When I was a wee lad listening to the Canada-Russia series on radio, I heard them announce Pete's goal against the Russkies during a game in Moscow. They said it was the first time a Canadian player beat a Russian defenceman one on one resulting in a goal.


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posted 04 October 2007 04:17 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Habs win, Leafs lose. All is "Left" with the world.
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posted 04 October 2007 05:14 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'tis going to be a long season. Ho ho ho?
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Long like every season since 1967.
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S'ok, according to Ferguson, they are rebuilding. By 2047, we should see a true cup contender.
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Caissa
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Geez, where are all the shameless Leafs fans today?
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Same place they always are, that magical place where the leafs have a chance at hoisting the cup every season....that same place that makes them believe so much in the undefeatable leafs that every playoff round win spans a round of honking and screaming down city streets.

The real world is a cold, dark place for these people..

[ 04 October 2007: Message edited by: quelar ]


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I'm sad that I'm not considered a fan by Caissa and quelar, just because I am an angry/realistic fan.
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I think I could make a killing selling bags with a maple leaf on the front of the bag and the text "Leaf fan" underneath outside Air Canada Centre. Say, a nice washable bag that could be worn over and over and over again.

Of course, you'd need to cut a couple of eyeholes.

Or not.


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Ah the Leafs love them or leave Ontario. I left Ontario. I believe that they are going to match a record this year that hasn't happened since the 1920's.
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1920's? But I thought the Philadelphia Quakers played in the 1930's. Heh.
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From Sports Enyclopaedia

With former referee Cooper Smeaton as their coach the Quakers were made up of a bunch of toughs that preferred to fight rather then play. The ugliest incident involving the Quakers came on Christmas Day when police had to come onto the ice and break up a fight they were having with the Boston Bruins. The Quakers goon squad would put together one of the worst season in NHL history as they won just 4 game son the way to finishing in last place with a horrible 4-36-4 record.

http://sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/phlpit/quakers.html


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It's strange that a hockey team named after some well known peaceniks and pacifists would be such a thuggish bunch of losers.
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Toronto: 0-2. 80 games to go.
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quote:
Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
Ah the Leafs love them or leave Ontario. I left Ontario.

That's pretty funny.


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The Leafs left Ontario years a go but forgot to leave a forwarding address.
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Caissa's suspended until the end of hockey season! Who's next!


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Hey, I was just kidding. I stopped the thread!
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Given the Leafs season seems over, I assume my suspension is lifted.
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You can post again when they win the cup.
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I was 3 last time they won the Cup. My great grandchildren might be that age when they get lucky again.

I think the problem might be on the left wing.


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For the closest thing to the thrill of winning, check out this old thread from the Aug 5/06 post on down.
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Well done, OG.
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