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audra trower williams
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posted 12 January 2005 12:30 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Feminist icon Germaine Greer has quit the British version of the reality show Celebrity Big Brother after only five days.

On the show, Greer was confined to a house along with other B-list celebrities, like actress Brigitte Nielsen, who is best known for being married to action star Sylvester Stallone in the 1980s.


What the jesus?


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posted 12 January 2005 12:35 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read that she was going to be on that show. I think on the previous one they had had some reasonably intelligent woman who enhance the show or something, so they were going to try it with Greer. I wonder why she left?
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posted 12 January 2005 12:42 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wondered why she agreed.

But then, I knew the answer. Greer is trying to do what other interesting intellectuals have tried to do -- earnestly connect with the popular culture that they know, at the same time, is driving them bananas.

She was trying to be good. But once immersed in the raw reality, she realized pretty quickly that she really could not take it, that analysing the phenom didn't necessarily require signing on to it.

And good for her.

I like Germaine a lot. She doesn't worry about making messes. I admire that, although I'm not that brave m'self.


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Hailey
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posted 12 January 2005 12:44 PM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I understand that she found it too intrusive.
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posted 12 January 2005 12:46 PM      Profile for Phonicidal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe she made a calculated decision. Afterall, wouldn't she get more attention, and opportunities to speak in public, for leaving the show than she would for staying on?
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posted 12 January 2005 12:50 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I forgot to mention she was doing it to raise money for a rainforest cause. Wonderful details in the Independent.
quote:
...Comparing its techniques to the regime of a fascist prison, she condemned the show's apparent encouragement of "bullying" housemates.

Eyebrows were raised when Greer appeared alongside staple reality television characters such as Caprice Bourret, the model, Brigitte Nielsen, the actress, the boy band member Kenzie, and the horseracing pundit, John McCririck.

Yesterday, Greer was in no doubt that the whole charade was little more than a "mistake" that was likely to haunt her long after the end of the show. Announcing her decision to leave, she said: "I was a little nave. I didn't realise agendas. Caprice is here to raise awareness of her lingerie. Brigitte is a professional reality TV person. Kenzie wants to raise the profile of his band. John probably needs the money."...



And check out the pithy statements at the bottom.

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posted 12 January 2005 01:42 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More details from the Guardian.
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..."I would like to look at the epidemiology of bullying to see if the rise and rise of bullying and the rise and rise of Big Brother have anything to do with each other." ...

...Greer said that she was particularly concerned about the treatment of Nielsen, after her former mother-in-law Jackie Stallone was introduced to the house without warning. The pair had not seen each other for 17 years.

"She [Nielsen] could see the tabloids turning it into the kind of sludge that could ruin her access to her children." ...



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posted 12 January 2005 02:02 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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..."I would like to look at the epidemiology of bullying to see if the rise and rise of bullying and the rise and rise of Big Brother have anything to do with each other." ...

I thought she was supposed to be intelligent?


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Rush
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posted 12 January 2005 02:36 PM      Profile for Rush     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This kind of reminds me of the time Malcolm Azania quit CBC Disclosure's The Making of a Political Animal

Have any other left-wing activists had any success on reality-TV? For example, they didn't quit?


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 12 January 2005 05:40 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think I could work on a campaign with Line Maheux either.
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posted 12 January 2005 06:08 PM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by audra trower williams:

What the jesus?


Before I say anything else that is a HORRIBLE photo CBC has of Germaine Greer. Knowing nothing about CBC, can anybody enlighten me as to its editorial leanings? To whit, would they purposely reproduce an 80's pic of Germaine t make her look bad?


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posted 12 January 2005 06:17 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Walker, the same photo in the Grope and Flail, but b+w, is a lot more uncompromising, which is what makes me think that it is a fairly recent photo.

C'mon, Walker: I'm only six years younger than Greer is, and we start to get wrinkly at this stage. It happens. Some of us feel we earned it.

I'd rather people weren't horrified by wrinkly me, so I'm not gonna be horrified by the magnifique Germaine. Let's hear it for the wrinkly old grils!


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posted 12 January 2005 06:19 PM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rush:

Have any other left-wing activists had any success on reality-TV? For example, they didn't quit?

You wouldn't have heard of it but in 2004's Big Brother Australia a guy called Merlin (real name I think) was evicted, and he lefet the house with a sign taped across his face saying "free tha refugees" (he had smuggled it into the house). He kept it on during the 'interview' and refused to speak. It wass a rare dose of REALITY for reality TV.

Read a story about it here: www.stunik.com/bb04/040612_2.htm


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posted 12 January 2005 06:51 PM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Walker, the same photo in the Grope and Flail, but b+w, is a lot more uncompromising, which is what makes me think that it is a fairly recent photo.

C'mon, Walker: I'm only six years younger than Greer is, and we start to get wrinkly at this stage. It happens. Some of us feel we earned it.

I'd rather people weren't horrified by wrinkly me, so I'm not gonna be horrified by the magnifique Germaine. Let's hear it for the wrinkly old grils!


No, what I meant was that I think GG looks great. I think she is very sexy- the way she dresses, just generally the way she carries herself is very confident, self-assured and seemingly in control.
Women like her exude sexuality, which for me is inclusive of intellectual curiosity and self-confidence.


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posted 13 January 2005 02:35 AM      Profile for April     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, let me get this straight. This lady says to her housemates:

"I'm leaving over specific issues, but best for everyone if I don't discuss them," Greer told her fellow housemates before she left the Big Brother house. [CBC News]

Then she says to the world:

"I was a little nave. I didn't realise agendas. Caprice is here to raise awareness of her lingerie. Brigitte is a professional reality TV person. Kenzie wants to raise the profile of his band. John probably needs the money."...[Guardian]

Is it me, or does it not sound like the reality tv is still going strong and the feminist "actress" is still in it?


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posted 13 January 2005 03:38 AM      Profile for lacabombi     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Feminist and reality show is an oxymoron. When she enrolled, her analytical abilities may have been takiing a nap.
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posted 13 January 2005 04:32 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To my sensibilities, the fact that these shows are even called "reality" shows is an indication as to exactly how absolutely and totally fucked popular culture is today. I despair for people when this absurdity passes as a form of reality. A performance of Hamlet is more real than anything people seem to be able to manage in their lives.
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posted 13 January 2005 07:02 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
verbatim

To my sensibilities, the fact that these shows are even called "reality" shows is an indication as to exactly how absolutely and totally fucked popular culture is today. I despair for people when this absurdity passes as a form of reality. A performance of Hamlet is more real than anything people seem to be able to manage in their lives.


Couldn't have said it better myself...

Reality TV...what the jesus?


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posted 13 January 2005 12:02 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Feh. No worse than "cinema verite". That's not really all about truth either.
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posted 13 January 2005 12:24 PM      Profile for gopi     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Knowing nothing about CBC, can anybody enlighten me as to its editorial leanings?

A few months ago a babbler described the CBC as a "neo-liberal whorehouse." What this description lacks in tact it makes up for in accuracy.


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posted 13 January 2005 12:39 PM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Feh. No worse than "cinema verite".

Bingo.

If it was Paul Morrisey following Paris Hilton around with a camera and calling it Andy Warhol's Paris, the cool kids would be hailing it as "an unsparing yet nevertheless fascinated examination of the social annihilation of celebrity under conditions of hypercapitalist consumption".


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posted 13 January 2005 01:24 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those wouldn't be the same ponces who pronounce "film" as "fillum", would they?
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posted 13 January 2005 06:11 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i succumb to watching the first few episodes and the last few episodes of each season of big brother in britain. no, that's not quite true. i watched about 2/3 of the first series, 2/3 of the most recent series, and about 1 hour of the 3 years of big brother in-between.

during the first show of this new "celebrity big brother", the first person out of their limo, down a red carpet, and into the house was john mccririck:

who is a 60-some year old horseracing pundit who dresses like that, or worse, all the time, is outrageously offensive, and is the size of a walrus.

and i thought,

it might finally be worth watching this year.

then, germaine greer got out of the 2nd limo.

and i thought, whoa.

on the one hand, i think her statements upon leaving the house help to pull back the curtain and show reality TV for being based around pop-idol-weakest-link commodified-humiliation,

but then again, the people who already realise that probably aren't watching reality TV anyway.

[ 13 January 2005: Message edited by: Willowdale Wizard ]


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