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radiorahim
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posted 04 February 2005 09:33 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know there are probably more than a few loyal "babble trekkies" around.

Anyway, this is apparently the last season for "Star Trek Enterprise". The last episode will air in May.

article on StarTrek.com


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posted 04 February 2005 11:42 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah I'm a trekkie, not the sort who wears Klingon makeup and learns the language or anything but when I was a kid I had a whole lot of Star Trek stuff. Action figures, mini-ships, bigger ships that if you pressed the buttons they made sounds. All sorts of stuff. I still have most of this stuff and I could organize a fleet action if I really wanted too. But I assure you that stuff is in storage. Seriously!

But the Series was always more than that. The action was cool, but the story, exploration and idealism was what held it together. Also it was an interesting commentary on the human condition.

How can I say this -- Paramount 'whored' the series out, everything they could make from it they tried to make from it. And that's fine to a certain extent, but it became ridiculous -- it's not as if every series had to have another series come right after it. Also Deep Space Nine and especially The Next Generation did better, because both of them where syndicated from the beginning and didn't have the network pressures to deal with to the extent of Voyager and Enterprise.

Regardless of like any literary work I think it could use a rest because it's become a little over-extended. And maybe five, ten or fifteen years off would be a good thing. Star Trek is a great series; Paramount would be stupid if they didn't bring it back after a while. After all they do own the rights to it -- and even though I think the necessity to make money from it hurt it, that will also bring it back on the air eventually.

Besides Star Trek has become a lot more than a TV show.

[ 04 February 2005: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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posted 04 February 2005 11:51 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Enterprise is a great show and a great concept. It came too close after Voyager (which just sucked). I don't like the whole Temporal Cold War thing though.

They should have waited five years or so to run it.


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posted 05 February 2005 12:27 AM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I watched an early episode that I thought was terrible, but a few weeks ago I caught one that I was pretty impressed with. It's too bad the show wasn't given the chance to mature...
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posted 05 February 2005 12:29 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Didn't the original Trek last about as long?

(Ducks)


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posted 05 February 2005 12:38 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Both to the cancellation and Scott.

The original Star Trek had 7...4 or 75 episodes. Plus, you generally include the movies, which count as a 2-3 episode cycle if you're hardcore. So, lets say 14 extra eps. So almost 80 episodes.

Enterprise is nowhere near that me thinks.

Oh, and nothing compares to DS9.


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posted 05 February 2005 01:07 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think by far the best Star Trek spinoff was Babylon 5.
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posted 05 February 2005 01:10 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
I think by far the best Star Trek spinoff was Babylon 5.

Is there some sort of device that measures blasphemy levels this high?


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quote:
The original Star Trek had 7...4 or 75 episodes. Plus, you generally include the movies, which count as a 2-3 episode cycle if you're hardcore. So, lets say 14 extra eps. So almost 80 episodes.

Enterprise is nowhere near that me thinks.


Enterprise has had almost 100 episodes, and this is the fourth season. One can hardly say it didn't get a chance to develop. It's always had a lot of promise, but it hasn't been consistently good until this year, and it's still a bit too spotty at times. Many better shows don't get half the chance Enterprise got. (See Action, Wonderfalls, Freaks & Geeks, etc.)


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posted 05 February 2005 01:26 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It had over 100? Jeeeeeeez. I'm out of touch with my Trekkie side... I blame Star Wars.
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Will you people lay offa Star Wars already? You're shitting on my childhood, there.

I mean, the old Star Wars. Not the new ones.


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posted 05 February 2005 01:31 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah. Isn't George Lucas doing that well enough on his own?
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posted 05 February 2005 01:38 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
George Lucas is shitting on the collective childhood of everyone born before 1990. Anyone who didn't grow up liking Star Wars is probably on a farm somewhere in Nebraska growing crops to be fed to imaginary gargoyles.
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posted 05 February 2005 01:49 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find that it takes at least a year for the various "new Treks" to develop the characters. The first season always kind of sucks.

I liked this series though. What was kind of neat was that it was a series where technology doesn't necessarily work all that well.

We've been through the "tech boom" and have found that it isn't necessarily all that it was cracked up to be.

I thought this series had a good year or two left in it.

"Star Wars"...nah...never got into it...guess I was too old


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posted 05 February 2005 02:22 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Is there some sort of device that measures blasphemy levels this high?

[crestfallen]Well, it was supposed to be a Pedant Trap, but I guess I should have covered it with more leaves or something.
[/crestfallen]

I really did prefer B5 to any Trek though. More emphasis on social relations, less emphasis on gadgetry and technology.

And ya, Star Wars jumped the shark after the third. Here's a photo of that shark:


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posted 05 February 2005 02:52 AM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess I haven't really been paying attention; I didn't realise that there'd been that many episodes... but I wasn't only talking about chance to develop in terms of time. It was also in terms of... like... well, people like me just not bothering with the series after not being impressed at first. Maybe the chance to develop properly is what I should have said.
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posted 05 February 2005 03:04 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Babylon Five was pretty good. I didn't like it when it was out for the first few years of its existence, thus I never really started watching it until about 1999 (when it was almost over). But I did watch the re-runs and thought it was thoroughly entertaining, including interesting characters and commentary (and good action).

But enough of that Magoo you're de-railing a thread about Star Trek!

Deep Space Nine was on during the same time as Babylon Five, and I agree with Papal Bull it was the best one of the Star Trek each series by far. I didn't like it at first either and didn't think it held a candle to The Next Generation (my bench mark btw -- never huge TOS fan) so I didn't pay much attention during the first two seasons. But once the third season started I began to watch it. It had action and that was good -- but the struggle for peace against a difficult foe, the character relationships, the shades of grey, and the commentary on the human condition where very good in DS9. I think it could've easily lasted a few more seasons and I thought it was unfortunate that it didn't have higher ratings.

And yeah I agree Amy, they didn't really give it a whole lot of time. The first two seasons where kind of bleh imo, but the show really started to get going last year and then this year even more so. So it's too bad it's going off the air. But I still think Star Trek could use a rest (on air anyways).

[ 05 February 2005: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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I refuse to watch Enterprise and Voyager. I'm with Vansterdam Kid re: Paramount buggering it all up in the name of TV ratings.

Frankly I'm happy this travesty is finally ended.


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Since everyone else is sharing their personal connection to Trek, I might as well admit to you what I wouldn't do in person. I'm a closet Trekkie, for sure. Well, I haven't watched any episodes in years, but I have a big soft spot in my heart for the concept. I was raised on Original Star Trek re-runs that played on the ABC affiliate in the afternoons (this was in the early 90s). I learned about many important concepts through Star Trek: death, war, conflict, science, the human condition, and, most importantly, intergalactic sex. (The concept of kissing was introduced to me through Capt. Kirk's notorious babe-magnetry.)

The Next Generation seemed like a fake knock-off to me at the time while it was still in production, so I could never be bothered with it. But years later, when the Space channel started up, I gave it a chance, and was very impressed with its many improvements over the original series. I thought: "Wow. There's no way that Star Trek can get better than this." And then I turned a skeptical eye to the DS9 reruns, and, amazingly enough, it made TNG look like utter child's play in comparison. Excellent character development, great, epic story arcs, a good use of Worf, and some ball-breaking action made that series the ultimate Trek show, in my opinion.

Voyager never hooked me enough to watch more than half a dozen episodes, and the same was the case for Enterprise. I watched half of Enterprise's first season and was VERY nonplussed. The execution was boring, tired, and basically seemed to recycle the TNG format (which had already been done to death on Voyager). The characters, too, were very bland and uninteresting - much like the Voyager crew. The only episode that I saw that I found memorable was an episode with some butt-kicking Andorians (that was kinda cool to see).

I completely forgot about this show after I abandoned it in its first season, but I guess I did hear some rumblings that its quality was improving recently. As far as I'm concerned, though, the show should have been put off for two or three years to cool off the overheated Star Trek creative machine, and when it was made, Ronald D. Moore and the rest of the DS9 production/writing staff should have had complete control of the project. Those guys new how to push the limits of Trek, especially in how they eschewed the socialist utopia of TNG and replaced it with a show of inter-character conflict, human imperfection, and war.

Man... I've really outed myself as a total dork here...

[ 05 February 2005: Message edited by: HellofaSandwich ]


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It's partly personal taste. I found Jonathan Archer as dumb as James Kirk, while I loved Picard, Sisko and Janeway.

I thought the biggest problem with Enterprise was that each episode had only one story line. Previously, most of the best episodes had two simultaneous story lines. Why has no one mentioned this? Is it just my imagination?


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posted 05 February 2005 03:52 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Magoo has laid another pedant trap.
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posted 05 February 2005 03:58 AM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ack! Voyager for me was kind of just a cheap substitute for TNG (I have school the only time it's on) or Deep Space Nine (it doesn't air anymore here). I'll watch it once in a while, but the thing that bugs me the most about it was Janeway. Actually, I think that Kes and Tom are my favourite characters in that series.
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quote:
Originally posted by Amy:
Kes and Tom are my favourite characters in that series.

And B'Elanna, and Seven, and Rain Robinson, and Chakotay, and Neelix, and Tuvok (and Tuvix).


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I didn't like voyager at first but it grew on me. I enjoyed the fact that it had a strong basic premise. DS9 was good but I didn't really care for the overall storyline.
I've enjoyed all of the series but Enterprise - it doesn't seem like star trek anymore. The writing has been terrible. It's been way too easy to figure out where the stories are going. Very predictable. And who keeps writing Nazis into these Treks? Not many good ideas left it seems.

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posted 05 February 2005 06:38 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The origninal series epsiodes were a little bit before my time, but some of the first non-kiddy movies I liked were the TOS movies.

I still remember watching TNG every Friday as a kid...

Anyways, I loved every series (until Voyager), but I could not stand Enterprise. I loathe prequels because I KNOW how things are going to turn out. There was never any question that Archer would somehow save Earth from destruction and plant the seeds of the UFP... those things already exist in the later storyline! I actually liked it when they got sucked into that temporal war because at least there is some uncertainty there. But although I do like the later episodes better, I still don't watch it nearly as much as I did TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Only seen a handful of episodes really...


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I've never seen star trek - or any sci fi show other than back to the future - so i don't get the big deal. I'll have to watch before it goes off the air.
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Sometimes i'm home watching daytime tv with a hangover, my drug-addled brain feeling like a freight train just roared through it, and i see these outer-space shows you speak of. And i just can't get excited by it.
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posted 05 February 2005 10:13 AM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Enterprise was a dud. The whole prequel idea was ill conceived.

Who wants to see a low tech Star Trek set on worlds that are neither strange or new? And Bakula is a terrible, charismatically challenged actor.

They had two other concepts for a new series before they settled on the prequel idea - a kind of Dawson's Creek thing set at Starfleet Academy, and a series based around the black ops unit introduced in Deep Space Nine.


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posted 05 February 2005 11:15 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
scott bakula finds himself leaping from role to role, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next role will be the role home.
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I also liked the Star Trek Series. I grew up watching the original which seems quaint and a little funny now. The Next Generation was definitely the best and Voyager went a little down hill but the strong female characters were enjoyable, this latest one was horrible.
I watched a few episodes and found them to be so sexist and very 'gung ho' American in attitude. The cowboy attitude of the male characters was a turn off and a departure from the other shows which concentrated on a varied and diverse cast of characters with a nod to respect for all other cultures worked into the storyline.
I'm afraid that I was so turned off by the latest show that I quit watching within 2 episodes so I never knew whether it improved or not.

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TNG was the best because a lot of the good episodes didn't depend on big explosions. And gave a lot more to the human condition.

Measure of a man?!

Drumhead?!

Those to episodes are like the epitome of humanoid rights (Chang has me questioning that sentence as human-centric ).

DS9 was a soap opera. Entertaining, not particularly enlightening. And it was a response to B5, which I have come to find is just American cowboy politics in the future. Voyager was a weak amalgamation of TNG and DS9 concepts. Call me a traditionalist Trekker, but over arching story lines just don't appeal to me in the Star Trek universe. And because of that they attempt to be fresh by coming out with story lines for the new series, instead of just taking a break to allow for a fresh take on the original premise. That and I feel that individual writer quality dropped after the infusion of soap opera trek.


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TNG and DS9 are without a doubt the best.

TNG had brilliant episodes and some of the most humorous situations ever. A lot of these involved Jordie and Data fundamentally duking it out over who was the better intelligence

DS9 had the Cardassian - Bejor conflict politics and really paved the way for a new more politically tinged series that will be in no way like Murphy Brown. "Murphy...Blah, blah, blah, blah...Tipper Gore". And come on, who doesn't love Ferengis? Come on!

Voyager had species 8472 as the ultimate introduction piece and involved the Borg which was absolutely awesome. The rest of the show was kind of a bummer. Although Picard playing the Doctor was quite the awesome.


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posted 05 February 2005 01:47 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
why did they keep making any trek episodes after this one?
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I liked TOS and TNG. Initially, when I watched DS9 in 1993, I wasn't that impressed by it and quit watching after a few episodes. After almost a decade had passed I decided to give DS9 another shot, and to my surprise and delight, I loved it.

TOS episodes now look very silly and cheezy to me, but once you overlook that the episodes are cool. TNG continues to be "solid" for me, in that my opinion hasn't changed even after watching it again so many years later.

So. (But I still refuse to watch Voyager and Enterprise. )


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"jim, edith keeler must die" -- best line ever in trek.

besides, toronto city hall gets shown in the guardian's mirror.


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I discovered TOS in syndication when I was a kid -- watched it every day after school. When TNG started up, I was dubious about the idea of a new Trek, and the first season, frankly, sucked copiously enough to confirm my suspicions, so I quit watching for several years. My uncle kept watching it, though, and kept telling me that it got a LOT better after the first season. I finally gave in and decided to check it out and was completely blown away. I then frantically caught up on everything I'd missed -- TNG was so promiscuously syndicated at that time, in the early 90's, that I could watch it on about 5 different channels a day!

After TNG, each new series attracted less and less of my attention. I watched DS9 fairly regularly, but not religiously. Voyager I only occasionally watched, and Enterprise? I don't think I ever watched an entire episode. And what I did see didn't impress me much.

The last Trek movie was pretty lame, too, and a box-office disaster (they stupidly released it just a few days before The Two Towers, which completely overshadowed it for the attention of the geekosphere). I think maybe it's appropriate to give Trek a rest for the time being.


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I actually liked the prequel concept of Enterprise, but I didn't like the execution at all. The Xindi business was stupid. I did not like T'Pol, who reminded me of GalaxyQuest more than any other Star Trek.

I'm a big fan of contact SF, and what I was hoping for was a good series of first contact situations and intercultural conflicts. But this rarely ever happened to any good quality, so I stopped watching. Much.

I take great exception---no, worse, umbrage---at Hawkins' blasphemy about B5. It was "American cowboyish" as all space operas are "American cowboyish." But I'm a big fan of the concept of the story arc. Star Trek was OK, but the individual episodes are unsatisfying. I need an epic, and so far no one has produced an SF epic like Babylon 5. It is was so well-planned and executed, never mind the initially amateurish acting. For an SF series, it dealt very maturely with issues of minorities, ethnic conflict, and so on.


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quote:
Originally posted by Papal_Bull:
Although Picard playing the Doctor was quite the awesome.

Say what?


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The holodoctor actor's real name was Picard, not Patrick Stewart.
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Picardo, actually.
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quote:
why did they keep making trek episodes after this one

So they could make this one.


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Nope this episode is the best one.

Oh look I'm getting into a sci-fi argument. And I was commenting on this last night too, a FRIDAY NIGHT, oh well it's February -- I'll chalk it up to that.


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posted 05 February 2005 06:52 PM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Robert Picardo was "Eddy" from the first howling movie. He was an accomplished actor before becoming a hologram. I haven't watch B5 much...just never liked it all that much.
A few observations.
DS9 sucked when it was all about the orbiting station. It only got good when the introduced ships. I rank it 3rd in my trek line up. I missed the last 2 or 3 years because I got tired of the dominion.
Voyageur would have went under if not for J Ryan. Her "hotness" was all that held that poorly developed mass together. This series suffered from the "our creator is dead so we have no ideas" problem. Just rehash. Ranked 4
Enterprise i had high hopes for, what a let down. First off, why the stupid singing in the theme song. When my buddy and I sat down and watched this we both looked at each other and said "WHAT THE FUCK". But decided to keep an open mind. But it was a cownoy adventure in my mind. How dcome the tactical officer NEVER went on any missions? Plus he reminded me of the doctor on DS9 so much that I didn't know he was the tac officer until the 10th episode. He just didn't give that worf feel to the character. I have never seen the engineer go on so many away missions, and I don't even know who was second in command. There wasn't enough people or personalities on the show regardless of already knowing the outcomes. I had liked this more than V at first but...it just seamed to get worse with each episode. When they went for the sexual tension it just made me laugh all the more. terrible fifth of the 5
TOS was good even if being dated. It is also nestalgic because that is what many of us grew up on. KHAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!! Ranksed #2
TNG was very bad at the beginning I put this down to Riker needed his beard. After we knew a little bit about the characters it got better, plus Patrick Stewart is a trained shakespearian actor and has charisma!!(See Excalibur, or Moby Dick)They would refer to past episodes so it would help to string the episodes together a bit, not epic but they did have a continuity. #1 trek series. Q just says it all.

I should go back and watch DS9 and B5 to see if they get any better(sisko also got better once donning a beard, see riker above) Maybe if Archer had a beard the series would have been better.
I am a huge trek nerd, I have played the tabletop game and my buddy has warship models and everything, but I get pissed when a star wars nerd looks down his nose at star trek. Star wars has the WORSE dialog ever!! I couldn't even watch clones since the one and only time I saw it. Lucas just has the worse writing skills fr dialog. The acting seemed very stiff because of the bluescreening. Plus I am very tired of movies that use special effects to cover up for what is a terrible movie!!
If you like "space opera" I would suggest you watch Robotech, this is the greatest cartoon ever. The only problem was the audiance they garnered was college studnts when it ran so the cancelled it after just one season. I had a few toys that went with this series along with RPG.


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posted 05 February 2005 07:14 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have always valued the characters in the ST series more than the premises. Spock, Data, and Dr. Zimmerman probably top the list for me. Interesting how they're all more-or-less struggling with their "humanity" on some level. There are also all the strong female characters who appeal to me for different reasons. The regular guy heroes don't do much for me, though.

Scott Bakula was much, much better in Quantum Leap. And why, oh why do they have to put underwear models in every show, and in velour bodysuits, to boot? Pretty insulting to the other female actors who are trying to develop characters (and possibly even the underwear models themselves).


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posted 06 February 2005 12:27 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been a pretty faithful Trek-watcher over the years. I've probably seen every episode of TOS two or three times because of syndication...same with TNG.

I'll agree that Voyager sucked. DS9 was great. I especially liked what they did with the Quark character...he was my favourite. I especially liked one episode where the Ferengi were being criticized for being immoral intergalactic capitalists and Quark says something to the effect that unlike humans, never in their history did they practice genocide.

DS9 even had the first Star Trek union organizing drive complete with picket line.

I'm not as hard-nosed on Enterprise. Actually like it...but perhaps its because I've been a long-term fan and get a bit of a kick out of the "in-jokes" about stuff that is to come in "future" Star Treks.


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In B5, the first season acting was kind of rough, but then Mira Furlan (my favorite character Delenn) finally learned English and she really carried the show (IMO). Mira Furlan, a Yugoslav film star driven out of Yugoslavia for being a Croatian who believed she could still appear in Serbian dramas (hence both groups hated her), brought a personal experience and passion to her role as an intercultural bridge that really showed.

Especially after you get to the B5 second season, the first season doesn't really seem so weak anymore, but in fact was subtly planting the roots of the story arcs in the other seasons. "There is a hole in your mind."

I actually liked the opening theme song for Enterprise. I thought it was innovative, and fit the idea of the human race finally moving out and taking its place in the stars.

In Enterprise, the Underwear Model Problem didn't just include women. The men, too, suffered from the Underwear Model Problem. A lot of the men had "half nekkid in their quarters" scenes, particularly the black guy. However, T'Pol was just egregiously bad. I would really have liked to see a serious, good Vulcan female character, but she wasn't it, and the whole sexual tension thing was overwrought and irritating.

As I said, the Enterprise idea was great, the execution atrocious.

Another show that I thought had a great idea but sucky execution was Andromeda. The basic idea was that a great galactic civilization, The Commonwealth, and fallen and left the galaxy in chaos for centuries, and a Commonwealth hero from the past was going to gather followers and restore it. Unfortunately, the casting sucked. The hero was Kevin Sorbo, who was simply chosen for his looks and physique. The only good character there was Tyr---the actor's name escapes me but he acted as a kid in some 80s sitcom, and grew up to have a bodybuilderesque physique as well, but actual acting skills too. The Harper s8tr d00d was horrible.

Earth: Final Conflict. That one was so cool in the first episode. Excellent and subtle. Then they fired the main character and the writers, and the show became an unwatchable Youth-Oriented Action Drama (the new producers' words).

I really have no opportunity to watch it, but I'm hoping that the Battlestar Galactica remake won't suffer the same fate. It sounds really good, and the pilot was promising.


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BS galactica (the new one) seems kinda cool, very dark with interesting camera angles. And I think it is much better written than the original (though I do miss the theme song!) which is promising (I liked the premise of the original, but the way it was presented was bleh).

Andromeda I find massively confusing every episode, but I enjoy it because I don't expect anything from it (its hercules in space!).

Earth FInal conflict just kept going for some odd reason - I dont even think there was an original character left by the end. It was good in the early middle seasons, and the criticism of the talons was interersting. But it did unravel very quickly in the end.

But how about Farscape! That show I think was an artistic masterpiece, whatever the story line/acting opinions are. THe aliens were really well done, lighting and sets with the camera angles. It also had an enjoyable serious-silly/frivolous tension to it.

I enjoy space operas when they aren't trying to be star trek. Star Trek will always be best as a random adventure with growing characters.


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I hope against hope this is the final death of trek.
That franchise made sci fi so... nerdy. Star Wars is a mythology, cyberpunk stuff was like sci fi noire, Aliens and select films and properties blended horror or combat with sci fi, but trek, it just jammed a calculator and a model rocket into the rectum of the genre. And lame, lame aliens who all speak english.

PS: Ep 3 will make prequel haters eat thier words.


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If you enjoy a show I don't see why you should pretend not to because "it's not cool", "it's not sheik". And if you don't like it cause it's crapy, in your opinion, ce'st la vie. But sci-fi has never been "cool" and "cutting edge" -- but I could really care less -- so I don't see what Star Trek had to do with that. Sometimes it's interesting on many levels, sometimes its just good (but cheap) entertainment and sometimes it's just crapy. But it sure seems tacky to dislike something because other people think it isn't cool. Oh no Star Trek is the reason that sci-fi isn't "cool"...okie dokie.

The New Battle Star Galactica seems good; I watched an episode of the original but didn't like it. This one seems far better and I agree with what was said about it earlier.

Andromeda was entertaining, and I didn't expect much from it either. But I just stopped watching it after a while, and it hasn't drawn me back in.

I agree that Earth Final Conflict was a good conflict, but it sort of lost me as a viewer. I think the quality really started to go down hill after a while.

[ 06 February 2005: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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quote:
Originally posted by The Vicious:
I hope against hope this is the final death of trek.
That franchise made sci fi so... nerdy. Star Wars is a mythology, cyberpunk stuff was like sci fi noire, Aliens and select films and properties blended horror or combat with sci fi, but trek, it just jammed a calculator and a model rocket into the rectum of the genre. And lame, lame aliens who all speak english.

PS: Ep 3 will make prequel haters eat thier words.



Why are Star Wars fans so abrassive?

There mythology isn't even that well written at its prime, in my opinion. I watched EP 6 I guess... and I realised, its not that EP1 (wont see EP2) was much different, the "new" audience just realised the lack of script writing.


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posted 06 February 2005 02:52 PM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Vicious:
I hope against hope this is the final death of trek.
That franchise made sci fi so... nerdy. Star Wars is a mythology, cyberpunk stuff was like sci fi noire, Aliens and select films and properties blended horror or combat with sci fi, but trek, it just jammed a calculator and a model rocket into the rectum of the genre. And lame, lame aliens who all speak english.

PS: Ep 3 will make prequel haters eat thier words.


Remember what I said about star wars geeks looking down their nose at star trek nerds...YA


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I like the original B. Star Gal. and what makes it cool is Lorne Green and Dirk Benedict but mosty cuz of the Ateam(openeing sequence you see "Face" look at the scilon lol) The new one is very well written. The presedent was the mom from Donnie Darko. Looking forward to season two. I will agree with one critique of stra trek....how come every alien is: if we throw some kind of facial ridge on, it's a new alien race. They have universal translators I believe or everyone speaks a common language(If you know about business most companies even asian ones speak english in the top levels) plus the alien races to have their own languages. Just ask Klingon on this board.
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posted 06 February 2005 03:10 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am supremely impressed by B-G. I think they very intentionally highlighted the similarities between "them" and "us" (clothing, manner of speech, etc.) so that the story's not about SF gimmicks but the characters themselves. It is also, so far, a meditation on our responses to collective tragedy - i.e. 9-11 (to which the show makes subtle but clear allusions). I think this could be the next great SF epic - and it might just blow the rest of them out of the water.
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See, this makes me sad I'm missing it, but getting cable (nonbasic cable at that) is just too expensive to justify it. Here's hoping they come out with DVDs soon.
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It took me a while to get over the shock that they made Starbuck into a girl!

I also kinda miss the cheese factors from the original, like Dirk Benedict's hair or the multi-armed alien babes singing disco tunes.


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a few lines from bones:

"i'm a doctor, not a bricklayer".
"it's only a matter of time..."
"i see i'm not gonna be makin' any housecalls on you."

and true tos fans know this one
"coal".

i was a die-hard original series fan, seen them all many times. but no-one has mentioned the first episodes - captain pike and the bumheads. (now that would be a great name for a band).

a familiar theme i've just read in the posts above, is how it took some time to get used to the next generation. i agree with that. it wasn't until nightly midnight reruns that i got into it. one thing: worf always hesitated in everything he did. always the second to fire a laser, if at all. easily surrendered. didn't protect picard very well. constant doubt. he was just so wishy-washy. tasha yar - now she was tough!

but i've definitely become out-of-the-loop...i didn't even know there was a "enterprise" series.

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posted 07 February 2005 01:41 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
scott bakula finds himself leaping from role to role, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next role will be the role home.

With some wierd, cigar-chomping side kick who claims to be in communication with a computer that predicts the odds of events happening.


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Just a quibble about when Star Wars jumped the shark.

Some would say, with good reason, that this was the shark:

Personally, The Christmas Special was the shark for me.


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posted 07 February 2005 01:48 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The infamous "Holiday Special" in question.

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Never heard of it? That's because after its ill-fated premiere, "Star Wars" creator George Lucas banished it forever from the realm of human existence. But something of this much weight has a way of reaching the masses.

"Special" is certainly one word for that show. Other words one might choose to apply include "distressing," "appalling" and "bad."

Yes, it was that unprecedented. Yes, it was that bad.

Among the "Star Wars" faithful, it's taken for granted that their aloof Marin County Buddha wants every last trace of it expunged from the earth. Nearly every actor involved -- essentially the entire cast of the first film -- would probably rather forget his or her participation, especially Carrie Fisher. If you're unlucky enough to come across a 10th-generation dub of this underwhelming indignity, you'll find her performing a musical number.

A musical number with Wookies.

"The Star Wars Holiday Special" is like a massive train wreck -- you see it coming, it makes a whole lotta noise and it's really, really long.

There's no plot per se, but the show drifts along something like this: It's Life Day on the Wookie planet of Kashyyyk. (Life Day is sort of like Thanksgiving and Chanukah put together, except it's much, much more boring.) Chewbacca's return from his galactic adventures is eagerly awaited by his family -- wife Malla, father Itchy and son Lumpy.

Once again, that's "Itchy" and "Lumpy."


And so hilariously, excruciatingly forth.

I actually saw this the year it came out.


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posted 07 February 2005 01:57 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All 120 minutes?

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Then there's a few more dance sequences, a cartoon that introduces Boba Fett, no fewer than four different high-larious characters played by Harvey Korman, a Tatooine Cantina ballad sung by Bea Arthur ("You're such a dear friend/You know I'm here, friend/Is that a tear, friend?") and a startlingly bad performance by Jefferson Starship.

Isn't that last part redundant?


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What happened with Andromeda, was it cancelled? Last I saw everyone was probably dead except Dylan who was moving to a different sphere of existence or something.
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I hate the "ascencion" trope in SF. Hate it.
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But it was so cute when Wesley Crusher turned out to be a demigod.
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All 120 minutes?

It was a lifetime ago; I really can't remember. But I do remember a few images that can have come from nowhere else. (Including a chorus line of Imperial storm-troopers, "dancing" back and forth, weapons in hand, chanting "Star Wars" once in a while. They must have been backing up Chewbacca et al on that "musical" number).

Evidently my unconscious, try as it might, wasn't able to completely repress the memory. A tribute to how bad it was, I guess.

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"It's been a long time....coming from there to here!" - First line of the aweful rock ballad that starts the show.

This is how long in the new series it took me to HATE Enterprise and wish for a quick death, it lasted much longer than it should have.

Since we're onto other shows though, the new Battlestar is great, very dark and edgy, and lacking in really bad 70's style and aweful lines. Farscape was great, and Babylon 5 never got the following it should have.

I like the Trek, but we're definitely going downhill with each progressive show, maybe it's time to let Gene stop rolling over in his grave (or whatever ashes in space do when they're pissed) and let this franchise die.


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"It's been a long time....coming from there to here!" - First line of the aweful rock ballad that starts the show.

Even the most die-hard Trek fans admit that this song -- in defiance of the laws of physics -- sucks and blows at the same time.


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Yep. I never recovered from the wretched theme song - watched part of the first episode and never returned. There is a special section of hell reserved for Dianne Warren.
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I'll never get over this cancelled show. Better'n all of 'em. *sniff*


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I hate Enterprise. Nasty piece of work.

What bothered me most was the continual violation of their own logic -- ie: you set something up to be a certain way, say a characteristic of a person or group of persons, and then write in something that goes completely against it without any motivating factor or explanation. It comes down to sloppy writing. I hate that.

TNG was okay, but some of the characters lacked depth. DS9 was too over the top in terms of plot development, and the casting didn't work well with the way some of the characters were written.

I loved Voyageur, though. For a change, female characters who went beyond the facile adolescent male imagination of what female characters should be. Quite a treat. As well as having a well-developed plot and well-developed characters in general. I didn't follow it before it was cancelled, but it played on weeknights on one of the cable channels when Ms T was newborn and colicky. I watched the whole thing before she'd worked her way out of it.


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I have to disagree with the Enterprise theme song defying physics. It actually alternated between sucking and blowing at a rate indistinguishable to the human ear. Thus appearing to both suck and blow simultaniously.

Clearly from the above point I have no quams about admitting my geekery or that I like both Star Wars and Star Trek.

As for Enterprise and Voyager I definately think they could have been stronger, especially Enterprise. However I think a really good point was made above about syndication. I think both the Enterprise and Voyager plots were an attempt to draw in addtional viewers. Chances are everyone posting here would at least give a Star Trek episode a chance, however a network is not going to be happy with just the satus quo. While DS9 was a great show you had to have a pretty good background of the ST universe to appreciate it and in many cases had to appreciate the allegory going on to truely get the significance. In a TV landscape composed of shows that are usually made up of eating gross things and/or laugh tracks, is a show like that really going to be successful? Probably only on specialty channels, and that means syndication. I say kill the series if you're going to keep it corporate. The whole point is lost if the plots end up dumbed down. I say "Tell Herbert it's a no-go".


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I have to disagree with the Enterprise theme song defying physics. It actually alternated between sucking and blowing at a rate indistinguishable to the human ear. Thus appearing to both suck and blow simultaniously.

Ah. That certainly makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

I suppose any song that could defy the laws of physics would, for that reason, have something to recommend it -- unlike the crime against music we've discussing.


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I'm of two minds about the 'Enterprise' cancellation. One the one hand, I actually enjoyed a good part of it, on the other, perhaps four seasons is as far one can go with a prequel.

Out of the series, I enjoyed it not as much as DS9, but better than Voyager or TNG. In TNG, the characters had super powers: Troi could read emotions, Data was an android, Geordi could see the entire visual spectrum through his visor.

By contrast, most of the Enterprise crew were given some kind of achilles heel, be it the loss of a close family member (Trip), a hangup for rules and regulations (Malcom), or just not coping well with space travel (Hoshi). At this point in the series, the characters have more or less resolved these issues, so it might just be a good time to wrap it up.

Enterprise at its best filled in the gaps in Star Trek's 'history', but at times went missing with story arcs like the overarching Xindi Crisis and the Temporal Cold War. Sooner or later, the choice would have been between more cumbersome story arcs or simply running out of room in the timeline.

I'm hoping the series ends with some sense of finality/epilogue, I'd still like an idea as to what happened to Voyager's crew after they made it back to earth.

I also hope that in concluding Enterprise, the producers realize they've come full circle, and no plans are made for future projects. This series obviously played to mixed reviews, and the last two Star Trek movies ranged from questionable to terrible. Maybe it's time to enjoy where it's been rather than keep going less than boldly....


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Originally posted by bear604/778:
I also hope that in concluding Enterprise, the producers realize they've come full circle, and no plans are made for future projects.

What? Should Shakespeare have quit after Richard III cried "My kingdom for a horse," before writing the best half of his plays?


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Shakespeare didn't have to deal with UPN, who think that catfighting wannabe supermodels is a better use for a timeslot.
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posted 08 February 2005 03:59 PM      Profile for bear604/778   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh - and millions of fanboys on the internet with a better idea.
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posted 14 May 2005 01:24 AM      Profile for John_D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So the series finale aired today on City (it'll be on again Sunday night on Space), and... whoo boy, I'll never get that hour of my life back. If you're sitting on the fence about watching the finale, jump off that sucker and save yourself 60 minutes that could be used for good, and not boring.
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posted 14 May 2005 01:38 AM      Profile for Hawkins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was 3 hours no?

I didn't understand what was going on though...

It was a flip flopping around. I am glad I didn't actually watch any of the series.


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posted 14 May 2005 03:02 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was the most feeble excuse for a series finale I have ever had the displeasure to watch. Not that there was anything wrong with it. It was a nice tribute episode. Several tributes, in fact. A couple even made me smile. Very briefly.

At the end, as Archer was about to walk boredly out to the podium he seemed to feel the need for a touch of emotion, and as an afterthought, he came back and gave T-Pol a quiet hug. Kind of summed up the whole thing, if you stayed awake that long.

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Hawkins
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posted 14 May 2005 11:56 AM      Profile for Hawkins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What was the borg episode and the enterprise episode all about? I didn't get it.
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posted 16 May 2005 09:37 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The second last episode was good; the last episode sucked. Frakes and Sirtis: find new careers, already!

(yes, yes, I know Frakes is a succesful director. I'm just venting.)


From: No one is arguing that we should run the space program based on Physics 101. | Registered: Nov 2001  |  IP: Logged
nister
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posted 16 May 2005 07:00 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What of the plot line where Hoshi ends up as Empress She-Ho after poisoning Archer in a parallel universe? Did I take reruns for first-runs, or did they abandon the thread?
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posted 16 May 2005 07:13 PM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
nister: Nope, the Mirror Universe episodes were stand-alone.

See, I figured you'd have two episodes of Mirror Universe Terran Imperials saying "argh! Stupid Federation! Stupid aliens! They are a danger to the Empire! We must crush them!"

And then two episodes with Terra Prime saying "Argh! Stupid Federation! Stupid aliens! They are a danger to Earth! We must crush them!"

And THEN the finale...where Empress Hoshi Sato comes charging through the Tholian Rift into the Federation Universe and teams up with Terra Prime, sparking a Terran Civil War which Good Archer and his crew must deal with. (Of course that would wreak havoc on Trek canon, but since when has Star Trek bothered with space/time consistency?)

But instead, I smell either (a) anticlimactic writing or (b) a set-up for a movie.

...dear Lord I'm a geek.


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posted 16 May 2005 07:53 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Erst. Still, wasn't there a "to be continued" tag ending?
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posted 16 May 2005 08:37 PM      Profile for Hawkins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wasn't there a dead tucker?

I have no clue what that show was doing for 4 seasons. And by the messedup mishmash that they put together in the 3 last episodes I don't really care to know.


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