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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 22 June 2001 02:00 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This topic was around a while ago, but I'm bringing it back because of one little catchphrase that's bugging me:

"Tempest in a teapot".


If I have to read/hear that one more time, my oatmeal's gonna hit the wall. It seems every newspaper has used that one a LOT over the past week.

[ June 22, 2001: Message edited by: mediaboy ]


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 22 June 2001 02:06 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about "the actions that Mike Harris has taken on the poor of Ontario may be considered violent in themselves"? Who brainwashed this into every leftist? If this little 'slip' of the meaning of violence can get past the filters on most people's brains, I fear for everyone who isn't violent once 'the revolution' comes...the peaceful people will be the first in front of the firing squad...
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clersal
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posted 22 June 2001 06:25 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is one that really bugs me. We do not read it but hear it. 'At this time in space'.
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Michelle
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posted 22 June 2001 11:46 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about "I could care less"? I HATE that phrase. It's "I couldn't care less", not "could care less". Makes me nuts to hear that. If you could care less, then that means you care a bit, doesn't it???

Wow. I'll take a valium now.


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DrConway
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posted 23 June 2001 01:24 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When morons use "irregardless", it makes me wanna smack 'em.

It's regardless, damnit.


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Pimji
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posted 24 June 2001 12:13 AM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one that sends me around the bend is "so called". There is nothing more aggravating than listening to the self righteous.
There is another one that gets me too. I hope I can explian this correctly.
Going into a retail store, for example, and asking the sales person for an item and they reply "let me see if I have item in stock. I feel like saying "hey man, I know that you might not have one in stock but does the store you work for have one?"
It also bugs me to listen to Shelagh Rogers on CBC's This Morning thanking a guest for "taking to me". One of the great talents of Gzowsky and Enwrite and Wallin is that they make the audience feel like part of the conversation. The guests are talking to us, the national audience and not just the host.
I have noticed that the big box stores call the employees "partners" or "associates" to try to squeeze out a little dedication to the low wage, no benefit job. It's like trying to convince people that a Mcjob is a viable career with a future.
That's my list of peevs.

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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 01:02 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I got irritated of "so-called" after my Biology 12 teacher used it all the goddamn time.

As for "partners/associates", I find that to be SUCH unmitigated bullshit. You're an employee, and they're an employer, and you can still get your ass fired without so much as a by-your-leave, so why dress up the job when it's not worth doing so?


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rasmus
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posted 24 June 2001 01:41 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gee DrConway, you're not much of a team player, are you?

[ June 24, 2001: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 01:58 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*hisses at rasmus_raven*
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 24 June 2001 08:03 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Closure"
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skdadl
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posted 24 June 2001 10:19 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Related to partners/associates: I regularly have to call Purolator, and the smarmy recording that greets me each time says, "for pick-up within Canada, press 1, and one of our trained professionals will be happy to help you." Everyone's gotta be a professional! I hae me doots about the traditional professions in the first place, but this use is deeply patronizing to the worker it pretends to dignify, as Pimji says.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 24 June 2001 10:46 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"World Class"
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 24 June 2001 10:51 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This may be a tempest in a tea pot, but at this time in space, I'm having difficulty getting closure on the definition for this so called "World Class" designation.

I could care less if you guys are trained professionals, or just good team players; irregardless, can you help me out with this, or do I have to contact a dictionary associate at Meriam Websters?


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rasmus
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posted 24 June 2001 12:00 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tommy -- I'm with you there. There's always something suspicious happening when the word "closure" is invoked. Like grief counsellors, or an execution.
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Bobcat
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posted 24 June 2001 04:39 PM      Profile for Bobcat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Clersal mentioned "at this time in space". I'm one of the horde who can't stand its familiar cousin, "at this point in time".
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clersal
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posted 24 June 2001 05:28 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Bob Cat, that is the one I meant.
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Debra
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posted 24 June 2001 08:52 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I can tell you that 24/7 I am tired of being on the slippery slope to the thin edge of the wedge. Not to mention pushing the edge of the envelope while I'm at it.
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Doug
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posted 24 June 2001 10:58 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I'm asked to think outside the box once more I might just scream.
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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 11:06 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What about thinking inside the box?
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Michelle
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posted 24 June 2001 11:32 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But that would involve a paradigm shift.

I almost screamed when I read "team player". I just cannot STAND that phrase. I'll bet 95% of the resumes on the English-speaking parts of the planet have "team player" somewhere on it. I always laugh when I see it. My husband, who always hated group assignments in college, who always had to have everything done his way or no way, insisted that I put "team player" on his resume because one of his teachers said that was an attribute that most employers wanted.

You know what I'd like to put at the top of my resume? "I'm NOT a team player. When I was in school I HATED group assignments because I always did the most work while everyone else happily goofed off and took the credit. I can work well with others, but I am also a creative person who needs her personal space when asked to use that creativity to solve problems. When you compare my interview with those of the other applicants, make sure you ask them exactly what they mean when they say they're a team player. If they mean being a lemming and letting the truly inspired member of the group plan, organize, direct, and do most of the work for the project while the applicant wait for inspiration-boy to tell them what part they'll be responsible for, then fine. But remember - I'm the inspired one, not the lemming."

I'd hire me. Seriously, if I were looking to hire someone and I saw "team player" on their resume, I'd immediately think, "yeah, whatever." It's just so overused, and in so many cases, not even accurate.

[ June 24, 2001: Message edited by: Michelle ]

[ February 16, 2002: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 11:44 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I've tackled this before on another thread somewhere, but what really gravels me is how vapid resumes are getting in the 1990s/2000s. People seem to have bought into this notion that a resume is all about how many buzzwords and how much fluff you can cram onto one page. There's a less polite word for that, and it's called turning a resume into a steaming pile of bullshit.

The sad part is, people sometimes get hired based on precisely the amount of manure they can shovel. Well they better have a pretty goddamned big shovel, or the supposed wunderkind will gain the animosity of everyone in the workplace who got hired based on real skills and qualifications.

I don't put that crap on my resume - mine simply says what my educational qualifications are, my work experience, and a summary of my skillset and where I am today. Boom.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 24 June 2001 11:55 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never done a resume. I've been toying with making one, just to see what my work experience might get me. I might want to get a second job sometime, depending on how my separation goes. Don't get me started, I've been a week rant free on that subject.

I love Michelle's take on team work, and you know what? It is so true! I think I'd adapt her frankness to say that on the resume.


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posted 25 June 2001 12:29 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a legally one -- "Without Prejudice." If there's a more soppy and pretentious legal phrase, I don't know what it is. Yes, we are sending you a demand letter and threatening you with a lien on your home -- but it's without prejudice, don'tcha know?
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Michelle
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posted 25 June 2001 01:18 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That reminds me, VerbaTim, of another legal phrase that always makes me laugh - on affidavits. That qualifying line at the end that goes something like, "I make this affidavit in support of x and for no inappropriate purpose" or something like that. I forget the exact words, but I'm sure you know what they are - could you remind me? Whenever I read that, I think "Well, DUH, I think we kind of assumed that if you're going to file a legal document, you're not doing it for inappropriate reasons - or if you were, like you would come out and say so."
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audra trower williams
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posted 27 June 2001 03:24 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My friend Magda says "Think outside the Jello-mold." But she's Romanian, so it works with her accent.
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DrConway
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posted 29 June 2001 02:43 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yeah, I was just reminded of one that I can't STAND... "established a dialog".

Everytime someone uses that phrase, usually in line with "an inspirational and empowering gathering", I just want to start whacking heads with a 2x4 and go "You've been establishing a f*cking dialog for the last 10 years! AAAAAAAAAGH!"

Sorry. I just get incredibly hacked off when people on the left who should know better use well-worn cliches just as their opponents on the right do.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 29 June 2001 05:31 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At this point in time, now that we have established a dialogue, perhaps it is time we started trying to think outside the box, and looking for a paradigm shift. Or should we terminate this discussion without predjudice?
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Dawna Matrix
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posted 29 June 2001 05:34 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My favourite quote (I know, it's not a cliche) from my three year old buddy here, is this:
DM: What does light taste like?
3: Like apple pie.
DM: What does dark taste like?
3: (giggle) Like poo!

I love my love my love my job!!


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Jared
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posted 29 June 2001 06:51 PM      Profile for Jared     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know if it's an actual cliche per se, but it bugs me how "hip" writers for magazines such as Spin basically invent their own lingo as self-testimonials for their personal coolness. I want to hear if the new Autechtre CD is worth picking up based on it's actual attributes, not something like "This album is so velveeta cool whip." OK, you're rad already, so keep the stupid hipster esoterica to yourself!!
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posted 01 July 2001 03:57 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Michelle, for the suggestion. I'm gonna start writing my resume soon, and on it, I'll write "To hell with the team, I'll do the whole damn job myself, at least then it'll be done right!"

Also, when people use hand gestures to demonstrate quotation marks, that really bugs me. i do it sometimes though, because I'm afraid some people I talk to just aren't perceptive enough to notice when I'm being sarcastic. also, I think I'm using the words "anyway, anyways, also, oh well, moving on, & however" a bit too often for good taste. I also hate it when people are talking, and when they make reference to an example they actually say the phrase "i.e.". For the love of god! Just say "for example"! I also hate 24/7 (sometimes people are so annoying they add "365") and when people say "whatever" with unusual emphasis. i don't know how to describe it, but it was popular a few years ago. UUUGGGGHHHH!!!


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 01 July 2001 04:24 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. VT will see this atrocity in a person message. Sorry VT.
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amacd747
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posted 01 July 2001 05:43 PM      Profile for amacd747     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi folks:
It's my first post. Nice to meet you all.
My pet peeve (is that another cliche?) is the often misquoted "the proof is in the pudding", instead of "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". The former is just meaningless as most cliches have become after countless uses. I think they've become a lazyman/woman's fill in where the person hardly knows how to put together a sentence.

Another that makes my teeth grate is instead of saying for example "...the reason he said it is that..." people put in an extra "is" and it becomes ...is is that..." All kinds of people, broadcasters, politicians (what do you expect) and even teachers who should know better have blindly accepted an error somebody made about a year ago and now everybody parrots it.

Of course, the old "right?" and "you know" are still with us and for some people are a crutch they will never be able to get rid of as they are (they feel) an excellent way to get approval from their listeners.

The ol' grammar classes were a grind, but boy I'm sure grateful for them now. It just feels great to be able to speak or write with ease, feeling I can communicate exactly what I want to. Thanks for all your comments - they're really fun to read.

Speaking of writing, I've finally begun writing a couple of newsletters for my E-Zine called Dreamsent E-Zine. The newsletters are (1) Dreams and Dream Interpretation and (2) Life Skills. If anyone would to take a peek at my work, try http://www.AskMe.com under Dream Interpretation (FAQs) Audrey MacDonald, and contact me at the email addy given here. It's free and brand new. [email protected]

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DrConway
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posted 01 July 2001 05:59 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I also hate 24/7

Oops.

I've used that one a few times, although I don't say it as "24 by 7" - I just smush them together and say "twenty-four-seven".


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meades
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DrC: LOL

anyway (damn it! I did it again!) another one I hate is: "Is that your final answer?" & "you are the weakest link; goodbye!"

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do people feel they need to copy silly game shows, when any other less anoying choice of words would do just fine!


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Trisha
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posted 01 July 2001 10:42 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
amacd747: Under "Body and Soul" we started a thread on dreams and nightmares that sort of bogged down. Maybe you could revive it.
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rasmus
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posted 05 July 2001 07:56 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Please no one ever ask to pick my brains. Thanks.
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Michelle
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posted 06 July 2001 01:55 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, you know what they say - you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose - but you can't pick your friend's nose.

Okay, that was a reach, but it just popped into my mind when I read about picking brains...


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