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audra trower williams
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posted 22 September 2001 12:54 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh for Pete's sake
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posted 22 September 2001 01:04 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm. Unconditional support, he says. Bush the Second will be pleased, anyway, even if Prime Minister Poutine won't.
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posted 22 September 2001 04:01 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can see his point - it might be a bit of a sensitive time for that. Too bad they can't just be postponed instead of refused entirely.
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posted 22 September 2001 04:15 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, Rick, but I don't see how this act has any credibility. You made a TV show called "Americans are dumber than even we are, which is amazing" or words to that effect. They haven't become more erudite just because another bunch of people decided to fly some planes into one of their icons. Your show made Canadians laugh -- that's what the award is for. Perhaps you should never satirize anyone ever again.
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posted 22 September 2001 05:26 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Word, VerbaTim. I think it's daft grandstanding.
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posted 22 September 2001 05:33 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think it's a case of deciding that Americans are more erudite because of this disaster - I think it's more the idea that there is a time and place to laugh at someone, and doing it right now might seem to Mercer like kicking someone when they're down.
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posted 22 September 2001 05:41 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Agree - you should only kick people when they are up.

Then again, they did take cheep shots at Lucien Bouchard after the illness, but only after they knew he was going to be alright.


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posted 22 September 2001 05:48 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can believe that ... Have you noticed, though, how many of our right-wingy columnists, while ostensibly mourning the victims of the terrorist attacks, have managed to sneak in irrelevant but deeply nasty anti-Canadian remarks, everything from laments about how unheroic we are, how far from the centres of real power, to insinuations that Canadian nationalists (especially if they are also left, and most especially if they are -- horrors! -- intellectuals ) have somehow helped to provoke "envy" and "resentment" of the U.S. ...

Since no decent person can do much to respond to those insinuations at the moment without looking incredibly graceless, many must be feeling that the best they can do for a while is to keep their heads down. After what Bob Fulford did to Greg Curnoe in the National Post last week (and resumed more lamely today), I don't blame Mercer for making himself scarce.


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posted 22 September 2001 08:54 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Canadian right, or at least large parts of it has a huge inferiority complex. Everything is better in the United States, and if we can't get our way here, we'll just pick up and move to Texas. I wish they were more serious about that part.
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quote:
The Canadian right, or at least large parts of it has a huge inferiority complex. Everything is better in the United States, and if we can't get our way here, we'll just pick up and move to Texas. I wish they were more serious about that part.

Seriously. My favourite moment along those lines came a few years ago (93 or so?). There was some capital-gains tax exemption the government was thinking of not renewing, so a lot of rich folks would have had to pay taxes they'd been deferring for 20 years. At the same time some of the punditocracy was so panicky about the deficit they were actually suggesting the IMF was going to impose austerity measures on Canada.

So a few particularly panicky columnists actually put the two together, raising the spectre of yachts sailing down the St. Lawrence, never to return, while the gunboats of the IMF steamed the other way. This written with no apparent irony mind you, let alone satirical intent.

As for Mercer: I can maybe see his point, but the phrase "unconditional support" gives me the oogs just about now.

[ September 22, 2001: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 22 September 2001 11:32 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Really -- part of why Mercer's show was so worthwhile was how it highlighted how blissfully ignorant Americans were of the country right next door. They are still as ignorant, and they seem to think (at least collectively, in the form of their national policies) that it's OK to be ignorant as long as you have the nukes.

The "US," isn't "down." Thousands of people who were in the US on Sept. 11th were murdered. If the "US" was harmed in any way, it was through the possible killing of members of the US military when the plane hit the Pentagon.


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quote:
it's OK to be ignorant as long as you have the nukes.

Christopher Hitchens tells this story: a friend of his was introduced to George W. Bush at a reception for Third World aid workers.

"What's the worst country in the world?" Bush asked.

"Congo, Mr. President."

"What's the second worst?"

"Afghanistan, Mr. President."

"Oh yeah," said the President of the United states and self-styled leader of the Free World, "that's where them loonies blew up those statues."

I wonder if Bush, prior to Sept. 11, could have found Afghanistan on a map. I wonder if he can find his own asshole with a mirror. And I wonder if he'll lead his country and who knows how many others into a trap, and how many people might get killed in the process.


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posted 23 September 2001 03:29 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with you totally verbatim. Right now I`m crying about the American children going over there just to come back in bodybags. Not thinking of the rest of the world yet. If I have to die I`d rather it be helping someone than hurting someone. They are too young to see all those images of War II in history class, but the parents should know better.
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posted 23 September 2001 09:09 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Too bad Rick Mercer isn't Talking to Americans now. "Show me on this map where Afghanistan is?" "The CIA claims Osama Bin Laden is hiding out in Kamloops? Should Kamloops be bombed?"
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posted 24 September 2001 01:55 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to admit, I would laugh if they did that one on Talking to Americans.
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Michelle, I was thinking the same thing. Would we be able to laugh at ourselves if Americans did something like that? My answer would be "no" cos it was from the US. But I would love to see Rick do that by talking to Canadians about things related to the US. We would be equally as stupid. When people make jokes about Canada, I laugh at it cos it's so very true.

Over and out and heading off to bed. Where the dream police they get in my head. The dream police some thing something something. Damn you, Apu. Singing that song and washing down your bright orange 1978 Firebird Formula.


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posted 24 September 2001 08:46 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't take what I said as a condemnation of "Talking to Americans". No one loved that show more than I did. And I think I probably would have accepted the award if I were Mercer. All I'm saying is that I understand why he would feel the way he did, that's all. I'm saying it was a valid concern that he had.

As for Canadians being as dumb about American things, I don't think so. To quote Rick Mercer himself:

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Mercer says the beauty of the gag is that it would never work the other way around.

"If you went to the University of Toronto and said you were bringing greetings from President Stinky MacPharlane, it wouldn't work. We all know who their president is."

Some fans of The Tonight Show might argue that Americans are just as clueless about their own politics. Jay Leno's "Jay Walking" segments are always drawing blanks from students asked to name somebody as obvious as the current Vice President.


Do you really think that we could get the average Canadian to say something like, "Congratulations, America, on making Bald Eagle Wings your national dish"? (He actually got Americans to congratulate us on making Beaver Balls our national dish.) Somehow I doubt it.


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posted 24 September 2001 08:58 AM      Profile for Ian the second   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I must say that the lack of laughter lately has been very disconcerting. When even Rick Mercer, someone who I took to be a real comedic artist, turns down an award for a show which makes fun of Americans - in a good natured way - I know that something is amiss.

Besides, how is accepting an award for a show that laughs at Americans in any way equivalent to actually laughing at Americans?


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posted 24 September 2001 08:59 AM      Profile for Ian the second   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By the way, Rick Mercer is being replaced on This Hour Has 22 Minutes by that repulsive Mochrie sod.


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posted 24 September 2001 09:12 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the whole reason the show was so popular is because it glorified laughing at Americans. Not that I think that's a bad thing. I think Americans need someone to laugh at them here and there - I don't think they usually get fed anywhere near their share of humble pie even with Mercer's show. But they've had to eat an awfully big slice recently, and it wasn't the good-natured sort like Talking to Americans. It could be viewed by some as pretty bad sportsmanship to be glorifying the stupidity of Americans at this time.

You can also be pretty sure that were he to accept the nomination, they would have played a few choice clips at the Awards show, and people would be laughing at Americans at the Geminis as well.

So to answer your question, Ian, I think that when a show's whole reason for being is to laugh at Americans, and that show is being rewarded, then the connection between the award and laughing at Americans is obvious.

Some might think it's inappropriate to laugh at them at this time, and I can understand that view. I'm not sure how I feel about it - like you, I would welcome a bit of levity right now too. If Americans really want "business as usual", then maybe the usual good-natured teasing would help to restore that. But apparently Mercer doesn't think so, and I can respect that.

[ September 24, 2001: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Maybe Rick should go to Afghanistan and do a show called "Fleeing From Americans".

No one seems to have a problem with that, but laughing is bad etiquette! Will Celine Dion do a benefit concert if civilians are killed in Afghanistan? No, because "the world" only mourns it's own. Afghanistan is not part of "the world".


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posted 24 September 2001 09:33 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking of Celine Dion and comedy, has anyone ever seen the parody of Celine Dion celebrating Martin Luther King Jr. Day with a benefit TV special? I think it might have been the Air Farce that did it. It was pretty funny.

Edited to say, I was wrong - it was MadTV that did it.

[ September 24, 2001: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Luba Goy never looked so thin.
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posted 25 September 2001 01:16 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right, vaudree. I didn't remember the skit in detail, just one particular part sticks out in my memory: when "Celine" sings "Jimmy Crack Corn" as a tribute to Martin Luther King Day. "Zhimmy crack de corn...an' I don' care..." I nearly fell off my seat laughing at that one.

Besides, Luba Goy often plays people who are much thinner than she is (Camilla Parker Bowles comes to mind). As long as you know who she's satirizing, it doesn't matter if the looks are a little off...


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The Air Farce writers have been quoted as saying they're having a hard time writing their first show of the season, which must be soon ...
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posted 25 September 2001 02:52 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find Luba does a lousy job of impersonating famous women's voices. She does a great Barbara McDougall, and a good Wendy Mesley, but most of the time I'd never guess who she was trying to parody if she didn't tell us.

OTOH, you usually KNOW who Don Ferguson is impersonating without him having to say, "Hi there, I'm Joe Clark."

Now, is it because Ferguson's a better impersonator, or because famous political women all try really hard to blend into the background and be really bland? They rarely seem to have a very distinct personality (Sheila Copps notwithstanding).


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posted 25 September 2001 03:00 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skdadl, I can see why they've got a case of writer's block. Probably not because they can't think of anything satirical to spoof, but because they know that if they spoof any of the more obvious stuff from the last couple of weeks they'll get crucified for it. People aren't really in the mood to joke much lately. Well, I am, but I don't think you can judge the pulse of the nation by my wrist...
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And heck, what else are you going to spoof? Stockboy Day has been pretty quiet lately. The only other recent event of note is the PC/Rebel Alliance coalition.

Think they could get away with making fun of the peripheral aspects of the terrorism, like Air Canada trying to get a bailout?


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Now THAT would be good - all these people who are so in favour of airlines sinking or swimming in the free market with privatization - well SUCK IT UP, suits...

It would make a good Streeter, wouldn't it, if only Mercer were going to be around another season...


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well, this is all very unfortunate i think. humour is an excellent way to deal with crises and this dour mood that has been hanging over North America right now is too much sometimes....i know my room mate and i have been making constant cracks about the situation (and this in no way defers from the lives that were lost of course) but it has helped us to try and make sense of what has happened. i just can't take what Bush has been saying seriously..the guy sounds like a baffoon! i ran over to Amatto's yesterday while getting tattooed to get some pizza and he was on the television. a reporter asked him something to the effect of whether he considered Bin Laden a terrorist or something and he ACTUALLY said, "I consider Bin Laden and EVIL MAN"...gee, thanks for the insight dumbass!! i'm really tired of this to tell you the truth...grrrrr
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