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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 18 September 2001 12:05 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Video rental stores are reporting that they can't keep movies about terrorism on the shelf. There is an overwhelming demand for movies like Die Hard, Executive Decision and The Siege.

I'm sure many will be tempted to call audiences "sick" for wanted to see this kind of movie, but I'm not so sure we should jump to that conclusion. People want to be able to make sense of tragic events, and Hollywood is very experienced at offering simple answers to complex questions.

Personally, I've never seen The Siege, and I gotta admit that I'm very curious to see how Hollywood treated a tragedy of this magnitude. If it hadn't received just terrible reviews I might have rushed out to rent it on September 11.

Other videos that are in high demand include anything do do with Nostradamus and animated Disney movies.
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=10217


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judym
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posted 18 September 2001 12:37 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of the things I remember vividly from last Tuesday: several news commentators remarked on how the towers were still smoking hours after the collapse. It made me think that they were perhaps comparing it to movie disasters, where things blow up real good, and in the next scene it's all over with.
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posted 18 September 2001 01:57 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the movies you know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy and you know the good guy is going to win.

The real world doesn't follow that script so folks turn to escapist films, perhaps for a kind of comfort.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 18 September 2001 02:06 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
In the movies you know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy and you know the good guy is going to win.

Not in all movies, but certainly in most Hollywood movies. They have OCCASIONALLY been more morally ambiguous, but I can't think of any movies dealing with Arab terrorism that weren't overly simplistic.

Have any babblers actually SEEN The Siege?


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posted 18 September 2001 03:18 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*swishes tail and jumps onto Mediaboy's lap *

Yeah, I saw it. Interesting parallels to recent events.

Reviewers said Bruce Willis acted like a tinpot general, a stereotype. I think it was deeper than that. Before he has his orders, he opposes the use of military force and military law on the grounds that it is a poor instrument to use and a blunt one at best. It's only after he gets his orders that he has to dutifully follow them and starts in with the rhetoric.

I think we would be wise to remember those words about military force being a very blunt instrument in the days and weeks to come.


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rasmus
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posted 18 September 2001 03:21 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have also seen The Siege, mediaboy. Bruce Willies. I confess I do not remember a single detail about it. Other than that Bruce Willis was in it. Not a single image, not the story line, nothing. Unless I'm thinking of a different movie.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 18 September 2001 03:43 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
*swishes tail and jumps onto Mediaboy's lap *

Uh oh, Milhouse is going to be jealous.


Awright, I'm gonna have to see The Siege now. The curiosity is jus' killin' me.


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girlincrisis
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posted 18 September 2001 06:46 PM      Profile for girlincrisis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My room mate told me shortly after the events, that she actually saw a news reporter on tv say, "this is not a Hollywood movie that you are witnessing, this is real life" or something to that effect anyway. I find that kinda insulting to the intelligence of the masses, but hey, i guess some people probably DIDN'T want to believe what they were witnessing on their tv screens.
I'm finding the discourse around the bombings really fascinating myself..wanting to see what kind of narrative the media would be constructing....and it's been playing out pretty much like i would expect.

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'lance
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posted 18 September 2001 07:23 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I certainly didn't want to believe what I was seeing. Now I'd rather not believe what I'm hearing from a lot of the politicians, generals, and pundits. But it's just as real.

I'm not sure what the reporters said was that insulting. Most people, in North America anyway, have never seen anything like that in real time. Many compared it to the movies. It's what they know. See clockwork's excellent piece over in the "essays" thread.

As for audiences wanting Hollywood to delay terrorism movies, I don't know. But Hollywood doesn't want to be accused of being exploitive, as they might be by a vocal and influential minority.

Ridiculous, of course. They've been exploiting people's fears for generations, and will go right back to it as soon as they feel they decently can.


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posted 18 September 2001 07:30 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I find that kinda insulting to the intelligence of the masses, but hey, i guess some people probably DIDN'T want to believe what they were witnessing on their tv screens.

I don't know about that. I think they were comparing the enormity of the situation to something so horrible that we would only have seen it from Hollywood before this. I think the point is, we always watched these movies thinking their plots are pretty far-fetched (which is why we can enjoy them mindlessly), which makes it a double-shock when suddenly it isn't so far-fetched after all.

Rasmus: If Brucey was in it, it can't be ALL bad. He da man.


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rasmus
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posted 19 September 2001 01:26 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle, I fear my humour in that post was too deadpan for anyone. There is such a thing as too deadpan, I guess. Or perhaps I'm deluding myself, and it was just bad.


I choose to take your remarks ironically, Michelle.


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Michelle
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posted 19 September 2001 10:33 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I understood when I was reading it. I'm sure it was all about Bruce and not about the story (that's usually the way it goes when you reach action-hero status). I was actually continuing the joke...although I do enjoy ego-movies just for their mindless entertainment value.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 19 September 2001 11:02 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canadian video stores are reporting the same rental patterns as stores in the US:

http://www.nationalpost.com/features/siege/story.html?f=/stories/20010919/695104.html


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Michelle
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posted 19 September 2001 02:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From that article:

quote:
Most movies involving terrorism look at the subject from a U.S. perspective. But The Terrorist, by Indian director Santosh Silvan, takes viewers inside a cell of suicide bombers in the Middle East.

That would probably be one I would be more likely to want to rent right now.


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'lance
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posted 19 September 2001 02:47 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Digressing a bit, does anyone know any good movies about the British "adventure" in Afghanistan?

One of the Flashman books is about this, but I don't know if it's been filmed.

There's always "The Man Who Would Be King," which is a truly great film, but it's about a somewhat different subject.


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posted 19 September 2001 02:52 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Omigod, 'lance, do you read Flashman? And admit it? Tee-hee.
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'lance
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Admit it? Man, I'll shout it from the rooftops! A true hero for our times!

I'd have called myself bloody 'lance, but I didn't think it would go down well...


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JCL
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posted 19 September 2001 03:48 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sure game rentals for shooter games are doing well. I figured Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six will be a popular choice of game renters.

Weird, I bought a used copy paperback of Tom Clancy's book of the same title. It's a good novel nontheless.

However, if you wonder what goes on or goes into training of military forces, pick up one of Clancy's softcover books. He has 5 of them. I bought Carrier and it explains how those ships work, built, and also explains naval training exercises and naval operations abroad. Fascinating reading.


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posted 19 September 2001 04:21 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It kind of shook me to see almost every teen in the back room of the internet cafe hooked up to a shooter game the day after the WTC went down. So...insensitive? So...sociopathic?
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posted 19 September 2001 04:28 PM      Profile for girlincrisis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yeah, i understand that people wouldn't want to believe what they were seeing on tv....but that's even more reason for people to really think about WHY this would happen..i have never really thought of North America as unpenetrable or absent from possible attack....maybe i'm cynical...but i am well aware of how HATED the US is in most parts of the world....and we just happen to be right next door...
all i gotta say...as it was spray painted downtown..
"CAPITALISTS GET WHAT THEY DESERVE"
people need to wake up and stop living in a delusional world....

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Dawna Matrix
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posted 19 September 2001 04:29 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're a capitalist, merely by default. Does that mean you should burn to death? I think not.
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posted 19 September 2001 04:53 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While we're on the subject of militarism, does anyone remember an old comic series that was reproduced in a book some years later - it starred a British cadet troop whose dashing leader was a guy named "Jason January".

I've been trying off and on to locate something related to this series since the book I read was at a friend's house and I lost contact with him since then.


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girlincrisis
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posted 19 September 2001 05:05 PM      Profile for girlincrisis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dawna-i'm pretty much ambivalent about the whole situation to tell you the truth. while I AM A CAPITALIST out of a need to survive in this fucking culture...i resist where i can. but there's no denying that there are people who prosper off the system. i mean, fuck, the most disgusting aspect of this situation has been the constant references in the media, about the WTC buildings as symbols of CAPITALISM...crying because these ugly ass buildings were supposed emblems of EVERYTHING the US stands for (because we are to beleive that others want what we have or destroy it because they are 'evil-doers'). whatever.
i'm not saying i deserver to die because i happen to be on this soil...but i'm just not very sympathetic about the situation. humans aren't so fucking special....

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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 19 September 2001 05:10 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
the most disgusting aspect of this situation has been the constant references in the media


I think the most disgusting aspect is the people who claim that the people who died deserved it. But that's just me.

[ September 19, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 19 September 2001 05:48 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
girlincrisis:
"i'm not saying i deserver to die because i happen to be on this soil...but i'm just not very sympathetic about the situation. humans aren't so fucking special...."

Those people in their tower were only doing what they have to as well. I suggest looking at Cuba if you don't like it here. And humans are incredibly special...life is precious.


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posted 19 September 2001 06:16 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If "humans are not so special" then maybe mass murder is not so bad?

In reality, the idea that everyone in the World Trade Center was a "capitalist" is delusional. Every day, it is filled with tourists, kitchen staff, messenger boys and girls, maintenance people, secretaries, and
data entry clerks.

On this particular day, there were several hundred firemen and women, plus police officers.

The planes had passengers, too, by the way.

I doubt that it does anyone credit to minimize the slaughter of innocent people on the basis of vague and erroneous criteria like "they were capitalists". That way lies the Gulag.


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posted 19 September 2001 06:20 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's right, Jeff. It's wrong to say they deserved it. Of course, there's a sense in which we can talk about how we are all responsible for the cricumstances that fed into this -- how we are responsible for violence committed in our name, which led to this anger and violence, and so on. That's quite different, though it seems people on both sides tend to forget this, from saying that the people in the WTC "deserved" to die. That's really a horrible thing to say. No one deserves it. I bet lots of people who say "so and so deserved it" are also against the death penalty.
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posted 19 September 2001 07:15 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
girlincrisis, capitalists are human too. And just because some of them happened to work at the tourist kiosks on the roof of the WTC towers doesn't mean they deserved to die.

babble has a policy about writing hate. You agreed to abide by it.

[ September 19, 2001: Message edited by: judym ]


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posted 19 September 2001 07:47 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And for that matter, the World Trade Centre was built and owned by the New York City Port Authority, a public agency.
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